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Brace posted:Would I like BG1/2? RPGs I enjoy the most are more loot-based ones(Diablo) but also Morrowind/Oblivion. I didn't really like Fallout (The story/RPG elements were great, just didn't have the right feel for what I like in games) but I'm open to try some of these older acclaimed isometric RPGs because of how much praise they get. I got pretty into Dragon Age at one point as well. Well, if you enjoyed Dragon Age, that's a good start, because (for the most part) Dragon Age is a 3D version of BG2. Same developers as well.
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ZakAce posted:Well, if you enjoyed Dragon Age, that's a good start, because (for the most part) Dragon Age is a 3D version of BG2. Same developers as well. Yeah, how does the combat differ though? Dragon Age's combat didn't rub me the right way, for some reason, possibly just the character I was playing but I sunk a good 40 hours into it on one playthrough.
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For anybody playing BG2 for the first time, consider the available NPCs before you decide one way or another on making your character. There's an inquisitor and a plate-wearing-axe-swinging warrior immediately available in the first city and they are both really good. Conversely the game kind of lacks decent wizards. You can make edwin work but he is kind of lovely due to his specialization.
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Nov 15, 2010 23:43
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Brace posted:Yeah, how does the combat differ though? Dragon Age's combat didn't rub me the right way, for some reason, possibly just the character I was playing but I sunk a good 40 hours into it on one playthrough. I hope you like pausing.
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Nov 16, 2010 00:03
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Toadsniff posted:I hope you like pausing. I don't mind, as long as it's not annoying and it's actually engaging/fun
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Nov 16, 2010 00:20
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Brace posted:Well I don't think I could deal with being a paladin in a D&D ruleset where you actually have to be paladin-like, I thought the mageslayer sounded kind of cool, also the berserker. You only have to be "paladin-like" in the sense that you don't go around murdering innocents. You can lie, cheat, and even finish most quests the "evil" way without repercussions, you just have to keep your reputation above a certain level which is easy. Note that there are one or two quests that will make you fall if you try to do them the evil way, but they're pretty obvious. Also Berserkers own. Not as overpowered as Inquisitor or Kensai/Mage but still top tier stuff; Berserk comes with tons of useful immunities and ranged weapons mostly suck in BG2 anyway.
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andrew smash posted:For anybody playing BG2 for the first time, consider the available NPCs before you decide one way or another on making your character. There's an inquisitor and a plate-wearing-axe-swinging warrior immediately available in the first city and they are both really good. Conversely the game kind of lacks decent wizards. You can make edwin work but he is kind of lovely due to his specialization. He's also evil. All the good dedicated casters (like Viconia) are evil for whatever reason and they'll leave you randomly once your reputation hits a certain point. You really can't go wrong with a mage or cleric but as mentioned a kensair/mage will cheese the game. Once you reach epic level and get that spell which removes casting time (alacrity I believe?) just cast time stop + that = instant win everything. Brace posted:I don't mind, as long as it's not annoying and it's actually engaging/fun As with Dragon Age the goal to success is locking down your opponents and making sure the same doesn't happen to you. Anything that fucks your enemy over (hold person, charm, confusion) is godly and will ensure you win every single fight. The difference between DA and BG is that enemies can be any level. Just as an example, in the sewers under the priest district you'll fight some bandits who are slinging level 6 and 7 spells and will probably rock your party. BG also doesn't pull the bullshit invisible-enemy-magically-ambushes you fights. It's best to hide-in-shadows and scout ahead to see what monsters are hanging around. There are also moments when someone might turn hostile (but they're still blue) and you can "force attack" them. This is important because practically every wizard has a spell that automatically raises a bunch of defensive poo poo when they go hostile. There's even a trick to killing a nonhostile person by constantly attempt to talk to them while you have everyone else pelt that dude with arrows but you only receive a 1/4 of the normal experience points this way. When magic doesn't work you revert to monster summoning. Even a useless wild dog is enough to distract an enemy long enough to damage them. Ranged attacks are also super good and there's no shortage of items that will let you fire 5+ arrows at once. I don't know if you're familiar with the AD&D rules but dart throwing fighters are super cheesy especially when you use poisoned and piercing darts and you pump all your proficiencies in darts. The only other important thing to know is to always have your fighters carry a magical blunt, slashing, and piercing weapon. It doesn't occur too often but you'll fight enemies who are immune to a specific weapon type (like some golems in a stronghold).
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andrew smash posted:For anybody playing BG2 for the first time, consider the available NPCs before you decide one way or another on making your character. There's an inquisitor and a plate-wearing-axe-swinging warrior immediately available in the first city and they are both really good. Conversely the game kind of lacks decent wizards. You can make edwin work but he is kind of lovely due to his specialization. Edwin lovely? He's hands down the best mage in the game you can get without cheating (including your PC) due to the ridiculous (unremovable) amulet he's wearing. You don't really miss out on (m)any important spells due to his specialization anyway.
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Here is the current BG2 thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3136028
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Nov 16, 2010 00:46
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andrew smash posted:You can make edwin work but he is kind of lovely due to his specialization. You're going to get a lot of poo poo for this statement. Edwin is the poo poo in every way, you don't miss out on any overpowered spells and he's one of the most interesting characters in the game, plus if you bring Jan or Imoen along as a thief you'll have literally no gaps in your mage spells whatsoever. He is also the only pure mage in the game and the only NPC mage that gets an extra slot in every spell school simply because he has a specialization, PLUS an extra two from his amulet, meaning he gets hands-down the most spells of any character in the game. The only actual bad thing I can think of to say about him is that his wisdom is low, making wish kind of lovely if he uses it. SheepNameKiller fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Nov 16, 2010 |
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Nov 16, 2010 00:50
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How does importing from BG1 work exactly? Hypothetically, if I imported a BG1 fighter could I make him into a kensai in BG2? ^^^ gently caress Jan and his turnips. Oswald Fiddlebender for life.
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Nov 16, 2010 00:50
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I don't think you can pick a kit or change class when importing. However, you can just import a character, save and use Shadowkeeper to edit that save file.
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Nov 16, 2010 00:56
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No you pick a kit when you import.
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Nov 16, 2010 01:00
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Kickass. Now I just need to finish IWD 1&2.
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SheepNameKiller posted:You're going to get a lot of poo poo for this statement. Edwin is the poo poo in every way, you don't miss out on any overpowered spells and he's one of the most interesting characters in the game, plus if you bring Jan or Imoen along as a thief you'll have literally no gaps in your mage spells whatsoever. Also, let me remind you that Edwin's quest is comedy gold. Specifically, the conversations other party members have with him after the THING happens.
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al-azad posted:He's also evil. All the good dedicated casters (like Viconia) are evil for whatever reason and they'll leave you randomly once your reputation hits a certain point. You really can't go wrong with a mage or cleric but as mentioned a kensair/mage will cheese the game. Once you reach epic level and get that spell which removes casting time (alacrity I believe?) just cast time stop + that = instant win everything. I really don't like cheesing through any game unless its right there infront of me, and I doubt that charm/hold/sleep whatever you said is pretty in your face, I'd rather fight my way through things 
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I imagine most people in this thread read the Steam thread too, but in case anyone missed it, did Microsoft ever rip off GOG's layout or what. 
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Nov 16, 2010 01:27
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Ha ha, wow! It's almost like Microsoft doesn't have money to hire some professionals.
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Nov 16, 2010 01:33
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At least Microsoft's website works in Opera browser.  Shame I have no interest in their website though.
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Nov 16, 2010 01:40
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Ah, worse is that I did have an interest, but as soon as I tried to login the site reminded me that I'm an unclean unamerican terrorist and thus cannot buy their stuff.
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Brace posted:I really don't like cheesing through any game unless its right there infront of me, and I doubt that charm/hold/sleep whatever you said is pretty in your face, I'd rather fight my way through things Confusion and fear are pretty standard spells and if you don't use them then the enemy will remind you how useful they are as basically every battle begins with fear + confusion + hold person + haste your entire party is now randomly walking around/attacking each other.
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Nov 16, 2010 02:00
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The thing about BG2 and Dungeons and Dragons in general is that the difficulty curve is essentially a big X, if you chart both warrior-types and mage-types. Mages are weak poo poo at beginning levels but by the time you get to Throne of Bhaal they are nigh-unstoppable. Likewise, warriors are powerful in the beginning but are essentially reduced to damage sponges in the closing hours of the game. Once you get to ToB you'll be worrying about overpowering mages more than anything else.
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Nov 16, 2010 02:18
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Is the GOG Downloader not working for anyone else? I WANT MY BG2 (I could download it manually, but I don't trust my connection)
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al-azad posted:Confusion and fear are pretty standard spells and if you don't use them then the enemy will remind you how useful they are as basically every battle begins with fear + confusion + hold person + haste your entire party is now randomly walking around/attacking each other. As long as they're standard fare and not scummy I'm fine.
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Nov 16, 2010 02:34
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Gog.com - Who cares what happened, they got Baldur's Gate 2 now!
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question: does Baldurs Gate Tutu remove the stupid, stupid respawning mechanic that BG1 had, because I'd love that
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Nov 16, 2010 02:37
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Like in Firewine Bridge? Unfortunately not. Maybe elsewhere, though, I can't remember.
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404notfound posted:Gog.com - Who cares what happened, they got Baldur's Gate 2 now! The actual new title is better. Heh, nerds.
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Nov 16, 2010 03:42
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but neverwinter nights was a few weeks ago!
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Mr Right posted:At least Microsoft's website works in Opera browser. But GoG works fine in Opera 
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Holy poo poo that complete Icewind Dale is exactly what I've been craving for months ever since something reminded me that playing through it was the most fun I've had in a game ever. THANKS GOG THREAD!
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Coolio posted:D&D is pretty terrible. Hey, someone convince me to play BG 1 and 2 even though I am well full sick of D&D. Like, to the point where even finally finishing Torment is something of an uphill struggle.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Hey, someone convince me to play BG 1 and 2 even though I am well full sick of D&D. Like, to the point where even finally finishing Torment is something of an uphill struggle. if PST has too much combat for you, you probably will not like BG2 and will tear your teeth out at BG1
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Doc Hawkins posted:Hey, someone convince me to play BG 1 and 2 even though I am well full sick of D&D. Like, to the point where even finally finishing Torment is something of an uphill struggle. If you find yourself wishing that Torment didn't have such a strong story, and want more combat then the Baldur's Gate series just might be for you.
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So now that all the Infinity Engine games are out, let's say I only want to get one- which one do you all recommend? I'm leaning towards BG2. EDIT: Bear in mind I have never played an Infinity Engine game. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Nov 16, 2010 |
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Planescape: Torment, definitely. BG2 is all well and good, but Torment is just special.
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opblaaskrokodil posted:Edwin lovely? He's hands down the best mage in the game you can get without cheating (including your PC) due to the ridiculous (unremovable) amulet he's wearing. You don't really miss out on (m)any important spells due to his specialization anyway. It's been a while since I've played it so I'll admit that on reflection i was probably thinking of xan (zan? the enchanter guy) from BG1.
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Luisfe posted:Planescape: Torment, definitely. Torment is a cult classic - it's awesome for people who are into that kind of thing, but 'meh' for those who aren't. For all-around appeal, BG2 for sure. It's got a good mix of story/combat, whereas Torment and IWD are on the extreme sides(story and combat respectively). Do pick up BG1 as well if you can.
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C-Euro posted:So now that all the Infinity Engine games are out, let's say I only want to get one- which one do you all recommend? I'm leaning towards BG2. BG2 is a better game in every respect. And it supports resolutions larger than 800X600 or whatever abysmally low res Torment runs at.
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