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Cobweb Heart posted:^^I don't listen to drum n bass, but it sounds really nicely mixed and sequenced to me. My only suggestion is that the drums with the filter on them in the beginning bass-drop section sound kind of weird. Maybe ease up just a tad on the filter?^^ Cheers man. I've made a TON of changes so I'll post a clip of the finished product here once it's done, but for now.. I have a question! What are the ideal frequencies for sub basses on a club sound system? 30-80? If it goes over 80 is that bad? In this tune my sub bass goes from ~35 to ~90. Is that alright? Will it sound good in a club?
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Yeah, that's about right. I usually have sub bass as a sine wave between 40-90hz.
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http://soundcloud.com/aerobic/new-age/ A track I made a while ago, but it's gotten the most attention out of all my tracks
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efreeman posted:http://soundcloud.com/aerobic/new-age/ Pretty sweet.. nice spacey feel to it.
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I usually just make quick DJ edits, I've historically used Logic but got Ableton recently so I could use the Bridge. I have a fairly limited grasp of both of them, but since I've been granted my 99 week vacation  , I was planning on getting some books and actually learning how to use them so produce original content while weathering my unemployment. Any recommendation on which one to focus on/learn first?
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Number Two Stunna posted:Yeah, that's about right. I usually have sub bass as a sine wave between 40-90hz. Right on, glad I got it right. Here's the latest version of my newest tune... I think I have it sounding pretty loving good  http://soundcloud.com/navidnb/wip-v2
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So there is this new Girl Talk album for free. Enlighten me, how exactly is this "sampling" done? I have mixed a bit in my time, but I'd imagine with the classic equipment I have used it would be rather hard to isolate voices this clearly. I know the mastering guys have some cool poo poo available when it comes to stereo imaging and pulling out voices. Can someone in the know walk me through what you'd do to isolate things like voices, that go over a broad frequency range?
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Its about the same process you would go through to extract only the eggs from a baked cake.
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Ok so I started out on FL studio, recently switched to Reason because I heard it has better sound quality. Loved Thor, and the learning curve not too bad. But I found the piano roll incredibly frustrating - I can't see what note I'm pressing on my Midi keyboard to quickly find my starting note, having to switch tools just to delete something, and the tempo lines are hard to see and getting note lengths right is hard. Basically I find FL studio so much easier to quickly tab out any ideas I have, so I have decided to rewire Reason into FL just to use the synths. Now I run into the problems I was having with FL in the first place... 1. Why does everything I make in FL always end up clipping like crazy (above 0 dB in the meter)? How do I fix that without lowering the volume of everything? 2. My drums sound flat and dead unless I add a "soundgoodizer" to the channel. Should I avoid doing this and is there a better way? Any help appreciated, thanks
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The answer to both questions is to learn about mixing and mastering. Read the OP for a summary. Research compression in particular. Propellerheads have a nice quick and easy guide for this stuff http://www.propellerheads.se/substance/record-u/. Somebody else will probably point you towards some better resources! Just to be clear FL studio is not the problem here. Reason does not have "better sound quality" whatever that means. It does have a nice set of mixing tools that tend to play well off each other though. Dicky B fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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I've been reading a few guides on mixing and mastering, I understand what I need to do, just having trouble working out how to actually do it using the plugins. For example to remove the low end from the kick drum to make room for sub bass, I have no idea which cutoff or whatever I'm meant to mess with  As for the "better sound quality" thing, so many guides I have read say that FL Studio has a very "Fruity Loops" sound to it, whereas Reason doesn't have a "Reason" sound to it. I don't hear it myself, just look at Madeon's work... http://soundcloud.com/madeon/pendulum-the-island-madeon-remix Apple Pyro fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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You may find this handy http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm I find it easier to do things by ear but I believe FL has some spectrum analysis tools that will tell you what frequencies your instruments are occupying and where to make cuts.
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Boner Slam posted:So there is this new Girl Talk album for free.
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Apple Pyro posted:I've been reading a few guides on mixing and mastering, I understand what I need to do, just having trouble working out how to actually do it using the plugins. Be careful when you do this to your kick. You might want to look into using a compressor that takes its input from the kick, this is called sidechaining. You put the sidechaining compressor onto your sub patch, so that when the kick hits it "ducks" the sub out of the way. Deconflicting sounds like this that compete for frequency ranges is actually a huge part of modern dance music production. The software you're using is actually rather inconsequential, it's really all about your skill as a producer that will reflect in your finished product. It doesn't matter if you're using FL Studio or Reason.
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Apple Pyro posted:so many guides I have read say that FL Studio has a very "Fruity Loops" sound to it, whereas Reason doesn't have a "Reason" sound to it. This is retarded and the primary reason I don't read a lot of forums. Vector 7 posted:Be careful when you do this to your kick. You might want to look into using a compressor that takes its input from the kick, this is called sidechaining. You put the sidechaining compressor onto your sub patch, so that when the kick hits it "ducks" the sub out of the way. Deconflicting sounds like this that compete for frequency ranges is actually a huge part of modern dance music production. This is a very important concept with the majority of non-live music. If you play a kick and a bass at the same time at the same level, you're going to get a phasing effect that sounds nasty. Basically what sidechaining does in this context is allow one to play at full volume at a time - ie, when the kick hits, the volume on the bass is reduced, so they're not playing at full volume at the same time. It takes a lot of trial and error to get it correct, because now I'm hearing a lot of amateur productions that are sidechaining both the lows and the highs in extreme amounts, and 9 times out of 10 it sounds horrible. dj bobby bieber fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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Apple Pyro posted:1. Why does everything I make in FL always end up clipping like crazy (above 0 dB in the meter)? How do I fix that without lowering the volume of everything? 2. It's your music, if it sounds better to you, go with it. However, I think it's important to understand what the process is that makes it sound better to you. Is it some kind of compression? Distortion? It's typically considered bad form to drop a preset plugin onto a track without knowing exactly what it's doing.
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Vector 7 posted:2. It's your music, if it sounds better to you, go with it. However, I think it's important to understand what the process is that makes it sound better to you. Is it some kind of compression? Distortion? It's typically considered bad form to drop a preset plugin onto a track without knowing exactly what it's doing. I think it is a compressor/maximizer/limiter - my guess would be that the drum samples are no good.
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melee beats posted:I think it is a compressor/maximizer/limiter - my guess would be that the drum samples are no good. Apple Pyro, using a plugin like that isn't bad, pretty much everyone has something like that somewhere down the signal chain, but understanding what makes it sound better is, in my opinion, very important. Maybe the plugin off the bat makes your drums sound good, but perhaps through some tweaking and manipulation you can make them sound awesome.
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You really want everything pre-mastering to be hitting between -6 and -10 on the Vu. There is a big difference between analog and digital scales. Without 5 or 6 db's of headroom its hard to make a mix get that loudness you desire. If you need louder while working just pop a limiter on the master and crank the make up gain a little. Then, remove that when your done. Do this even if your mastering for yourself. Then at least you can use some flavor plugins to get your mix to have some tone from the gain stages of the mastering comps, eqs, and limiters. Here is some info: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/488734-guide-levels-digital-audio.html
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Also, if his drums are sounding lifeless and flat, there's a chance he's just playing dry drum samples straight out with no FX on them... drums should always have at least a little bit of reverb on them, otherwise they will sound flat (keep it light on the kick, otherwise it will sound unpleasantly boomy, and put more 'verb on the snares/hats/toms/etc)
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I know some people are kind of reluctant to discuss this topic, like they're revealing their secret sauce, but I'll go ahead and ask. What sample packs are you guys using? I'll typically browse through DrumDog when I'm first auditioning samples. They work well for the kind of house music I make, and typically right away I'll find one that is exactly what I was looking for.
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Quincy Smallvoice posted:ask melee he'll tell you all about it Basically a few years back I got some sample packs and merged them all together so I dont really know whats what except that I use a lot of hip hop samples~~
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Anyone know of a good source for free loops? Specifically I'm looking for some hip-hop drum loops to cut up and mess about with. Is this something I'm just going to have to pay for? I'm not after anything spectacular but free stuff seems thin on the ground.
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First thing I've posted here in ages, WIP, thoughts? http://www.grandfunkdynasty.com/.web/mountainsinthesun.mp3 Edit: genre is chilled out house with kicks in odd places seiken fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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Going from the sample packs question, how do you find packs that work for you? I've been looking for samples in general and have a bunch of free stuff I've found here and there, following links from forums or searching, but they vary in quality and there are some gaps (like virtually no cymbals). And trying everything out is harder when it costs money first... Specifically I'm looking to make dubstep/garage and maybe some old skool rave and jungle, but I'm more curious about general methods than genre-specific recommendations (though if anyone has some that wouldn't hurt!) Also are there any worthwhile packs for things other than drums? I've mostly been relying on searching for specific sounds or occasionally stumbling across something cool and using it.
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Vector 7 posted:I know some people are kind of reluctant to discuss this topic, like they're revealing their secret sauce, but I'll go ahead and ask. One of the first packs I got was the free pack from http://drumsamples.org/ That one should hold you over for a long time, although I use several other sample packs besides that.
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chippy posted:Anyone know of a good source for free loops? Specifically I'm looking for some hip-hop drum loops to cut up and mess about with. Is this something I'm just going to have to pay for? I'm not after anything spectacular but free stuff seems thin on the ground.
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Vector 7 posted:What sample packs are you guys using? http://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/drum-tools/se2 (really good) http://www.drivenmachinedrums.com/ http://www.nodoughmusic.com/hello/i...mart&Itemid=124 http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=44264 http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=44265 http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=44266 http://www.vengeance-sound.com/eng/DetailsVEC1.html http://www.loopmasters.com/product/details/282/Smokers_Delight_
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Nice post there, Yoozer. I use those Thomas Penton ones, too. I'll check out the top three ones you posted when I feel like I've played out the material I have to work with. That Smoker's Delight ones doesn't seem to jive with my personal style, and I'm kind of tired with the Vengeance packs, but those first three look interesting to me and sound pretty good based on the demos. I use these claps and they're half off right now. http://www.soundstosample.com/info/FatLoud/Club_Claps/558 They're billed as being hip hop samples, but they totally work in dance music. $3.60 gets you 40 claps, and when I need a clap I go straight to this pack. Vector 7 fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Is there a way to record what the speakers/headphones are playing on a Mac? In Live on PC I just set the input of a track as the speaker output, but I'm not seeing that option in either Audacity or Logic. I read through some of the Logic manual but to be honest I'm not even sure what terms would be used to describe what I want to do. All I'm seeing is Default Input Source which doesn't seem to do what I want it to, and default microphone, and I'd rather avoid all the noise going from bad speakers to a bad mic.
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JamesKPolk posted:Is there a way to record what the speakers/headphones are playing on a Mac? In Live on PC I just set the input of a track as the speaker output, but I'm not seeing that option in either Audacity or Logic. I read through some of the Logic manual but to be honest I'm not even sure what terms would be used to describe what I want to do. I think this should be just what you're looking for.
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Apple Pyro posted:I've been reading a few guides on mixing and mastering, I understand what I need to do, just having trouble working out how to actually do it using the plugins. Ok I'm starting to get the hang of it I think, any thoughts on how my mix is on this track? http://soundcloud.com/sushkie/escapism Ignoring the song structure which is a bit all over the place, and remember I'm new to the whole electronic music thing so any tips appreciated... Ps. I know zero music theory
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Apple Pyro posted:Ps. I know zero music theory
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I just bought driven machine drums this second. Totally pumped. I got Thomas Penton and Wave alchemy drum tools 1. About 3 months ago I got a really cool gold baby sample cd http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/products.html I got the goldbaby vinyl drum machine and Mpc60 drums vol 1 and 2. I really love the vinyl one. It has all these crackles and vinyl noises that I love playing with in Live's sampler. Thanks a ton for the link.
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Mr Jaunts posted:I think this should be just what you're looking for. Perfect! Thanks so much
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 Wrote some dubstep. Fun times. May adjust my levels a bit, but otherwise, i'm really quite satisfied. It's sort of atmospheric.
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Just wanna pop in and say this track amazing, but I have like the smallest complaint: somehow the very start of the intro (just the first 4 bars) seemed weak the first time I listened to it; it sort of sounds like your dropped into the middle of a bar. Maybe some sort a fade/filter in or bringing in that pad before the rest of the mix would help? But yeah overall I really enjoyed it, what did you use to make it?
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marb posted:Just wanna pop in and say this track amazing, but I have like the smallest complaint: somehow the very start of the intro (just the first 4 bars) seemed weak the first time I listened to it; it sort of sounds like your dropped into the middle of a bar. Maybe some sort a fade/filter in or bringing in that pad before the rest of the mix would help? But yeah overall I really enjoyed it, what did you use to make it? Aye  That's it. I knew something was bugging me about it. Looks like i'll be lowpassing the intro/raising the cutoff for four bars or so.As for what I used? A lot of instances of Massive, which covered the bass parts. On these instances of massive were Bitcrushers, some compression, some EQ, and on the top end bass, chorus and flanging. I sidechained my sub to the kick. The eerie brassy sound was made from Massive, and the pad was made using Omnisphere. The intro/ending sweep was Massive, the kind of electric/crazy pitched one comes from my Alesis Ion and has LFO's modulating....just about everything. If i'm remembering corectly, I modulated FM Depth, Ring Modulation, and Filter Balance. I also use an S&H Lfo in VERY minute amounts on the filter cutoff and pitch of basically every digital synth I use. The reverb was Audio Damage's Eos, which is pretty perfect for this stuff. The delay was Dubstation from the same company, which is an emulation of an old rear end delay pedal. Audio Damage stuff kicks much rear end overall. Lots and lots of automation. Reverb, filters following the reverb, delay feedback, bitcrushing, volume, etc. And I did my filtering with Ableton's Autofilter and in some cases Soundtoys Filterfreak. I do a lot of post-processing with a program called Nebula, and I use Ableton Live as my DAW. Lots of fun automated bitcrushing and whatnot, too. http://oi55.tinypic.com/2s1ncxg.jpg Shes In Parties fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Nov 22, 2010 |
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Started another one. Making dubstep is so much loving fun. http://tindeck.com/listen/bhoo Nooot sure where i'm going with it, but god drat I love the start. Shes In Parties fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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