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NJ Deac posted:Also, I hope you've mailed in your application to the PTO, because they take at least a couple of weeks (longer if you're a CS grad from a non-ABET college) to process, and then you have to schedule time at a ProMetric facility (which can be annoyingly difficult if you don't want to drive hours to a remote facility on exam day). The patent bar is no joke, so if you haven't started to study, you need to get on it immediately. Most of the home study programs are about 50 hours of lecture and a ton of sample questions, so if you're going to get through one before the end of the year, you're running out of time. When I was on the IP journal in law school I was told by students that if you took a bunch of patent electives, a week of solid studying is enough to pass and that the main skills are familiarity with the MPEP and a solid grasp of CTRL+F for the online copy you get. I don't really have much interest in lectures since I always learn best by reading which is why I'll likely buy some secondhand materials from one of those courses off eBay and cram for a week and call it good. Worked for the TX bar. 
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Elotana posted:Yeah all my PTO stuff is in, what I meant is I have a month-left in my three-month window to take it. I went ahead and scheduled it for 12/17 since that had dates free in nearby Prometric centers. I suppose that depends upon what electives your school offered and how much of them you retained. If all you've studied is a basic survey of 101/102/103/112, then you probably have a rude awakening ahead of you. If you've actually dealt with the nitty-gritty of PTO practice, then you're probably in much better shape (Check out chapter 700 of the MPEP - if everything in there is old hat, then you're probably ok with just studying the more narrow chapters I guess). For perspective, I've been drafting and prosecuting patent applications for two years now, and plenty of the lecture material was either new stuff, or stuff I'd always just relied on paralegals/docketing software to handle. On the other hand, some of the lectures made me roll my eyes because they were stuff that was completely second nature by now. YMMV. The simplest way to see how screwed you are is to take one of the practice tests from the PTO website. Either you'll come away feeling pretty good about your chances or you'll get scared straight (I was scared straight). NJ Deac fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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mrtoodles posted:Don'tgonojobsdiealone story hits locally. I'm going to become a prison guard, that looks like a growth industry
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Elotana posted:Law thread what is the best plan to study for the patent bar. I have a month left to take it and I don't want to spend a lot of money on a self-prep course (I'll buy secondhand materials off eBay if someone recommends their books specifically but that's about it). I had been doing about 20% patent prosecution for a few years though.
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Random legal advice goin' on in this thread: Minecraft's creator should sue a guy making Minecraft refrigerator magnets!
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Economist says going to law school is bad so now it's definitely true http://www.economist.com/node/17461573?story_id=17461573&fsrc=rss
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Vander posted:Random legal advice goin' on in this thread: Minecraft law is the best law.
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entris posted:Minecraft law is the best law. I don't wanna make the big bucks or anything, I'll be happy to live comfortably on $80k a year doing Minecraft Law
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If you want some real law-related humor, take a look here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php
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evilweasel posted:If you want some real law-related humor, take a look here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php Does SA need a lawyer/soon to be prison guard?
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_areaman posted:Not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Economist says going to law school is bad so now it's definitely true It doesn't matter when the economy picks up tons of law students will get jobs plus a law degree is so malleable you can do anything the sky is the limit.
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evilweasel posted:If you want some real law-related humor, take a look here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php I always thought the dudes in LF who were all "DTA DTI  we're havin a good time here!!" were being pretty stupid in that not only was their poo poo not funny, but if they ever planned to apply for anything with a real security clearance the conversation would be interesting. "No, you see, it was ironic. Heh, heh. *pulls at collar*"
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gvibes posted:I just took assloads of practice tests, studied for about a week. Passed on the first try. I had zero patent experience, but that's a condensed version of what I did. I studied the PLI materials for a couple of months (especially the old tests) and passed on the first try.
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hypocrite lecteur posted:I always thought the dudes in LF who were all "DTA DTI Oh well.
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The Korilla truck is pretty good.
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Petey posted:Oh well. So is Lowtax serious or what I don't really "get" the other forums. I used to post in Helldump but making fun of people is something I understand.
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billion dollar bitch posted:The Korilla truck is pretty good. It really is, I hope it sticks around.
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Defleshed posted:So is Lowtax serious or what I don't really "get" the other forums. I used to post in Helldump but making fun of people is something I understand. It is seriously the case that a few posters posting 'I am going to assassinate Barack Obama' in LF got Lowtax a subpoena from the Secret Service. In other news: people are idiots on the Internet.
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 quote:Pirates of the Caribbean director Gore Verbinski is venturing into television with a drama project at Fox, which puts a supernatural twist on the cop/legal genre. Titled Magical Law, the project is being written by Pirates scribe Terry Rossio. It is set in a world where the existence of supernatural beings is commonplace and follows the specialized cops and lawyers who face the unique challenges of prosecuting otherworldly crimes.
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Petey posted:It is seriously the case that a few posters posting 'I am going to assassinate Barack Obama' in LF got Lowtax a subpoena from the Secret Service. To law enforcement: there are like 3477237878324 subforums on this site and not all of us are retards, please don't make us all fail background checks (unless they post in ADTRW, imprison + gas the lot of them)
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Wasn't the bad guy on Charmed some kind of lawyer wizard?
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diospadre posted:Wasn't the bad guy on Charmed some kind of lawyer wizard? Monstroso from the Venture Brothers is the best. "He's a lawyer AND a supervillain!"
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That's so great that the SS actually monitored that poo poo and will be paying those idiots a visit. *~Godspeed sweet gunes~*
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Number of pages produced to insurance company in response to their request for production: 5,806. Number of pages produced by insurance company in response to my request for production: About 30.
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Elotana posted:[b]When I was on the IP journal in law school I was told by students that if you took a bunch of patent electives, a week of solid studying is enough to pass and that the main skills are familiarity with the MPEP and a solid grasp of CTRL+F for the online copy you get.[b/] Having taken and passed the patent bar right after law school, I can confirm that this is the case (minus the week of studying). Honestly, the only important thing is knowing what chapter of the MPEP things will be in, because you can't search the entire MPEP during the test, only within a chapter.
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also is anyone hiring i need more $
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I may have posted something out of anger. I may have then retracted it because I will not feed trolls.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:That's so great that the SS actually monitored that poo poo and will be paying those idiots a visit. As someone in LF said - there is someone at the Secret Service who has had to scroll through the RFA background and pages and pages of goatse in order to monitor threats to the President. "we've located the threat sir, on the something awful forums. dear god...what is that man doing to his anus????"
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Petey posted:"we've located the threat sir, on the something awful forums. dear god...what is that man doing to his anus????" Is this lemon party some sort of terrorist movement? Let me investiga..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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gotta do the PMF online assessment. For this "Situational Judgment" test, is like a test you would take for a job where you should just always choose the most bootlicking, toadying, sell-out-your-coworkers answer? I hear there are actually right and wrong answers for this part based on what actual govt workers responded to the questions.
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Petey posted:As someone in LF said - there is someone at the Secret Service who has had to scroll through the RFA background and pages and pages of goatse in order to monitor threats to the President. Or much more likely the guy who "joked" in that thread about alerting the secret service probably actually did it.
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My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. I am considering silently taking the podium, and then wordlessly dousing myself in kerosene and setting myself ablaze. As my skin peels away and the fat of my body renders away from my now-useless meat, I will marshal the strength for one final scream of "DON'T loving GO YOU RETARDS" (seriously what can I really tell these kids other than DONT GO YOU loving RETARDS? the LSAT average at my school is like 151, all these kids are going to end up at Cooley, with no scholly. I think my advisor is expecting a "gosh law school sure is grand" speech, but I don't have it in me. he's a nice guy and I hate to disappoint him but I will not send more skulls to the skull throne) Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:(seriously what can I really tell these kids other than DONT GO YOU loving RETARDS? the LSAT average at my school is like 151, all these kids are going to end up at Cooley, with no scholly. I think my advisor is expecting a "gosh law school sure is grand" speech, but I don't have it in me. he's a nice guy and I hate to disappoint him but I will not send more skulls to the skull throne)
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Soothing Vapors posted:
Print out copies of the OP and distribute them to the students as they enter the lecture before you do this.
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Soothing Vapors posted:My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. It's like The Ring, start distributing that videotape if you want to save yourself.
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Soothing Vapors posted:My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. Is it prelaw majors because obviously you aren't going to convince any of them. If its just people with other degrees that show up because they "love to argue" then just print out HooKars and Ainsley's posts and show that them that the only thing worse than not having a legal job is having one.
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Soothing Vapors posted:My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. I think just be completely honest about it. Approach it from a strategic perspective, people coming to the meeting want to go to law school so just lay out the facts so they can figure it out for themselves. No one appreciates being told they're wrong, no matter how wrong they happen to be, so just talk about what kinds of jobs you can get from the lower tier vs the upper tier schools. The biggest thing people need to lose is the idea that all lawyers start with 6 figure jobs - once they realize that, like all professions, there's a huge range of salaries, they can better figure out their own odds and what kinds of options are available for them. Lay out the facts and answer questions - I don't think your prelaw adviser would want anything more from you.
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