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8ender posted:Oh most definitely. You just know that Bell and Rogers would monetize the poo poo out of a system like that. I'm sure they would love to have a situation where they offer anti-competitive things like "iTunes paid us our fees so use them, if you use Amazon or HMV Digital you'll blow your cap". Or even worse: "Subscribe to Netflix and pay $1.50 per GB. Subscribe to our crappier Bell/Rogers-owned streaming service and you won't be penalized at all!" You gotta assume they have been seriously considering that scenario.
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Bandwidth exempt services only end up with a tiered internet, which is an absolutely horrible thing.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 17:19 |
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Martytoof posted:Also if you think they're stingy about bandwidth caps now, just wait until "UNLIMITED NETFLIX AND LAST.FM 10gb general bitcap*" plans hit.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 17:58 |
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tonelok posted:Netflix is working on 1080p streaming. That's going to go over really well with the ISPs/telcos. Bad enough you are somehow cheating them because you no longer do PPV or whatever. Would that really be a huge issue in Canada though? Netflix's selection is loving revolting up here. I got my free trial, and two days later was basically "Hmmm, yeah..... not getting my moneys worth here. Cancel." I guess some people might be into it, that is if they like watching Westerns from the 40's that flopped, or off-brand ripoffs of the American Pie series. "Hey Mike, you wanna watch "El Gunno Magnifico', or 'Panty Camp 5: Ain't Nuthin' Butt a Groove Thong'?" "Uhhhhh.... lets watch commercials instead."
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 18:34 |
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Would that really be a huge issue in Canada though? Netflix's selection is loving revolting up here.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 18:48 |
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I don't doubt at all that Netflix will be getting a better selection as time rolls on. What I do see is Bell and Rogers getting increasingly hostile towards services like Netflix, iTunes, etc as they continue to eat their lunch and cannibalize tv subscriptions. The best indicator of this is that my mom of all people is considering just buying an Apple TV and season passes to her few favorite shows. She's worked out that this will be vastly cheaper to cable. If more baby boomers figure this out it'll be a big loving kick in the teeth to traditional tv service.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 19:02 |
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I think you're forgetting that a majority of Canadians live in areas where high speed internet isn't reliable or even that fast. People are lucky to get 4Mb/s on DSL in most areas. Satellite and cable will be around for a long while still.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 19:06 |
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kuddles posted:People keep saying that, but I don't get it. Maybe because I have no clue what the American version has (although I always assumed because of our weird licensing issues it would be worse), but as far as I'm concerned, the selection is astronomically better than anything I had imagined. I love it. I'm just going by Shaw's VOD/PPV services. They are of course much more expensive than Netflix's offering (depending on who much you watch), but you actually get new stuff. At this point Shaw gets virtually every new release the same day the DVD comes out, for $5 a pop either on VOD or PPV. They also have a fair selection for free TV shows (The Office, Cleveland Show, Family Guy, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc etc), and a wide selection of other TV shows at 99c a pop. The only recent release I can think of that they didn't get is Toy Story 3, but that's Disney for you. What are Netflix Canada's most recent releases? All About Steve Jennifer's Body Miss March Best of Chris Farley Super High Me Fly Me to The Moon What Happens in Vegas Whoo! Timely, and entertaining! Don't worry though, they'll probably get Avatar or Inception on there in a good 5 to 6 years (well after they've probably played on television). 8ender posted:I don't doubt at all that Netflix will be getting a better selection as time rolls on. Unlikely. After people bitched that the Canadian selection sucked, the CEO basically came out and said "We're not about new releases, or going to compete with rentals or PPV services. We're for people who want to catch old movies they missed." Essentially they're offering a low-priced service with lowest-common-denominator offerings. Bloody Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:They are of course much more expensive than Netflix's offering (depending on who much you watch) Yeah, well, that's just it, isn't it? I never assumed that an "all you can watch, on demand" service for $8 as month was going to carry all the most recent uber-blockbusters that could still handily make $5-6 as a time limited rental. In the past month alone I watched: Miller's Crossing, Hard Eight, Owning Mahowny, Vertigo, 12 Monkeys, Slumdog Millionaire and Capturing The Friedmans just as some examples, not including a bunch of indies, foreign films and documentaries that I never would have known about. More than worth $8 for me. kuddles fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Is the Sci Fi category in Canadian Netflix still essentially the "Asylum Films" repository? My free trial ran out a month ago and I didn't feel it was worth the 8 bucks a month to keep it going, especially since a good majority of the films I like to watch aren't available on it... The MST3K stuff is nice, albeit extremely limited. And lord oh lord the television selection. Yech.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 19:44 |
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Some guy started maintaining a list of what they are adding to netflix canada. They do add new things almost every day. Not the best things mind you... http://app.whatsnewonnetflix.com/ I too signed up for a trial and just got depressed when I checked through the genre for things that are typically hilarious bad movies that I enjoy such as Kung Fu movies or whatever. Hardly any selection in Canada and the one site I used would also return results from the american netflix and just seeing the HUNDREDS of hilarious looking cheesy movies available there that I couldn't watch up here made me sad enough to cancel my account and wait a few years until their selection fills out. Squibbles fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Cineplex is now saying they are doing to start streaming movies. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/cineplex-to-unveil-movie-download-service/article1803454/ EDIT: Sorry, not streaming but downloads
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 20:34 |
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kuddles posted:Yeah, well, that's just it, isn't it? I never assumed that an "all you can watch, on demand" service for $8 as month was going to carry all the most recent uber-blockbusters that could still handily make $5-6 as a time limited rental. I agree that they can't have the new-new stuff for that price, but I would still expect new releases within a few months of them coming out on DVD. At this rate they'll start getting new releases years after they've been out. And it won't be all movies either, as they have very few contracts with the studios for streaming content, so they're not going to have anything at all from many studios catalogues.
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 20:39 |
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Bonzo posted:Cineplex is now saying they are doing to start streaming movies. That's fantastic news, more stuff like that can only be good for getting mass consumers more aware of the usage cap BS going on. quote:I agree that they can't have the new-new stuff for that price, but I would still expect new releases within a few months of them coming out on DVD. At this rate they'll start getting new releases years after they've been out. And it won't be all movies either, as they have very few contracts with the studios for streaming content, so they're not going to have anything at all from many studios catalogues. Honestly, it just comes down to whether back catalogue stuff is important to you or not. Like you, I canceled my Netflix sub during the trial. I just found that I have more than enough new TV and movies to watch, I really don't have time to devote to back catalogue quality stuff even at $8 a month. Chances are that most older movies I want to watch for a second time are sitting in my DVD library anyways. The majority of titles on Netflix Canada aren't the type of movie I want to necessarily see a second time, just generally speaking. Someone with more time on their hands or who doesn't watch a lot of current content might feel differently though and for $8 a month I'm sure its a bargain to them.
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The Gunslinger posted:Someone with more time on their hands or who doesn't watch a lot of current content might feel differently though and for $8 a month I'm sure its a bargain to them. Still, I've just noticed that people accusing it of terrible selection also seem to have an extremely limited taste and/or are only interested in new releases. I've heard plenty of people in the States talk about how unappealling Hulu Premium is because access to recent programs isn't worth being more expensive than Netflix, so it's a matter of perspective I guess. Anyways, enough derailing. The point is I love Netflix but it's killing my lovely bandwidth caps. kuddles fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Martytoof posted:I think handing out exemptions on a per-app basis would almost be worse than what we have now. Sure maybe now you can stream netflix without worrying about your cap, but what happens when the next big bandwidth heavy service comes to town? Also if you think they're stingy about bandwidth caps now, just wait until "UNLIMITED NETFLIX AND LAST.FM 10gb general bitcap*" plans hit. (Or WILL kill net neutrality. )
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# ? Nov 18, 2010 20:56 |
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Nitr0 posted:I think you're forgetting that a majority of Canadians live in areas where high speed internet isn't reliable or even that fast. People are lucky to get 4Mb/s on DSL in most areas. Satellite and cable will be around for a long while still. So yeah, no. quote:St. John's (N.L.) 187.6 cowofwar fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 18, 2010 |
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Very few areas of Edmonton can't get at least 15mbps DSL through Telus, I'm sure Shaw coverage is similar.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I'm just going by Shaw's VOD/PPV services. They are of course much more expensive than Netflix's offering (depending on who much you watch), but you actually get new stuff. At this point Shaw gets virtually every new release the same day the DVD comes out, for $5 a pop either on VOD or PPV. They also have a fair selection for free TV shows (The Office, Cleveland Show, Family Guy, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc etc), and a wide selection of other TV shows at 99c a pop. Kind of an aside but I have Shaw and don't get those shows for free. What kind of package are you on?
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# ? Nov 19, 2010 02:35 |
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To clarify, I was suggesting that the carriers would start offering their own cap-exempt streaming services and everyone else would have to go to the government. Rogers and Bell don't want anyone to get paid for media except them.
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# ? Nov 19, 2010 03:43 |
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cowofwar posted:According to the 2009 census the population of canada is ~ 34 million and 23 million of those live in major metropolitan areas. Yea but what about affordability? A lot of people won't want to pay more than $50/mth for internet, nevermind the $85+ needed for decent speed and bw cap with rogers (most people's only choice), when you're talking about HD streaming.
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# ? Nov 19, 2010 03:46 |
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It's already started. With my Bell Mobile plan I get 500mb general internet and unlimited Facebook/Twitter and I think myspace. Why would I need more than 500mb when I get UNLIMITED FACEBOOK?
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drcru posted:Kind of an aside but I have Shaw and don't get those shows for free. What kind of package are you on? Just basic digital. They're not under the "Free" section, just go into Television, then Prime Time, and several of the shows listed there are free. The only downside is they don't keep the free and paid content separate, so some shows listed there are the paid stuff. Keep in mind as well that Shaw only has a fraction of their total content listed through the TV menu. If you go to their VOD website, there's a ton more stuff to choose from.
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# ? Nov 19, 2010 16:40 |
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It appears that the PlayStation Network store now has Hi-Def movies and TV shows in Canada. Interesting to see how people's bandwidth will now be raped by downloading a full HD movie.
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# ? Nov 23, 2010 07:17 |
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Its always had the 720p movies for me.
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# ? Nov 23, 2010 17:56 |
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Nitr0 posted:I think you're forgetting that a majority of Canadians live in areas where high speed internet isn't reliable or even that fast. People are lucky to get 4Mb/s on DSL in most areas. Satellite and cable will be around for a long while still. This right here! I have Eastlink (forget what their second tier level is called". It's unlimited, but here is a Sunday afternoon test, and that's pretty typical. Also! Still have not gotten my $113 cheque from Bell, so I fired off another email to Bell Fuckheads! posted:Hello Blistex, They keep pushing that date back 7-8 weeks! Tomorrow I'm going to try and get a hold of someone in Canada who has the ability to actually give a response that's not written on a script in front of them and see what the gently caress is going on. I would rather hook my router up to a salad bowl pointed at the sky and pray some random bits fall into it than go back to Bell and give them a solitary cent.
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# ? Nov 28, 2010 18:03 |
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City of Vancouver voted today in favour of lobbying the CRTC to reverse their decision on usage based billing. http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+city+council+takes+stand+against+Internet+metering/3989389/story.html Of course I fully expect the CRTC to ignore it. Somebody needs to pull a Quebec Bill 60 and regulate it at the provincial level, because it's clear the CRTC isn't up for protecting consumers at the federal level.
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# ? Dec 17, 2010 02:18 |
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CRTC isn't up for doing poo poo except giving the telcos a licence for printing more cash from subscribers with no other option. Is it still $100 per month for a decent iphone plan?
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MA-Horus posted:CRTC isn't up for doing poo poo except giving the telcos a licence for printing more cash from subscribers with no other option. Depends how savvy and invested you are with the various carriers. I recently scored $78 / month for unlimited local and long distance calling, 6 GB data, visual voicemail, etc from Rogers. Its nice to not worry about minutes anymore. This isn't typical though, and they'll work you for as much as possible if you're a new customer.
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# ? Dec 17, 2010 08:09 |
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Good news everyone! Bell lowered their 6Mbit DSL caps to 25GB/month and raised the maximum overage to $60/month. Unless you go over 300GB/month, in which case the sky is the limit. Words escape me.
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# ? Dec 19, 2010 14:43 |
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At least Teksavvy cable is being rolled out, it's not perfect but at least it will be better than what Rogers/Cogeco/Videotron/Bell can offer. Really needs to be rolled out faster with all the insanity in Canadian internet.
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# ? Dec 19, 2010 15:57 |
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I'm just waiting for MTS to follow suit. So far they've been the best provider, no caps (on Internet or cell data plans), decent speed, at a not horrible price. That said, we still pay $200~ for TV, phone, internet and cell w/ data plan, without hi-def channels. It makes me wonder just how much the average Canadian is really willing to put up with everything before they finally start getting angry. I've already done my writing to MPs, MLAs and anyone else who will listen about this and many other silly problems Canadians just put up with.
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spoof posted:Good news everyone! Bell lowered their 6Mbit DSL caps to 25GB/month and raised the maximum overage to $60/month. Unless you go over 300GB/month, in which case the sky is the limit. Bell appears to literally be evil.
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# ? Dec 19, 2010 19:59 |
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Bell (and Rogers, and Cogeco and all the rest) seem to have a bit of a conflict of interest as far as the internet and their TV divisions go. You're going to pay them $30 or $50/mo on top of your internet for TV whether you get it from Netflix/other sources or one of their cables packages.
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technovert posted:At least Teksavvy cable is being rolled out, it's not perfect but at least it will be better than what Rogers/Cogeco/Videotron/Bell can offer. Really needs to be rolled out faster with all the insanity in Canadian internet. Rogers just submitted an amended TPIA tariff for UBB rates for wholesale apparently though. Cogeco is basically ignoring the CRTC and only letting Teksavvy connect where they will drop dark fiber which means the rollouts will be glacial. In the end resellers cannot compete with Bell and Rogers while the CRTC is in their pocket. In a year there will basically be no reason to go with a reseller over Bell and Rogers since they will dictate the rates and often give better bandwidth options to their own customers. For example Bell lets you buy a 40GB block for $5 if you're a Bell customer but Teksavvy customers won't have that option, they will have pay the new rates. The speed matching prices were a joke too. It's a lovely situation, I don't know what anyone can do about it though other than get some lawyers involved because the CRTC is literally just doing whatever the hell Rogers and Bell ask for. At this point I'm not sure why the competition bureau of canada isn't involved or something, it's become ludicrous to the point of total transparency.
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The Gunslinger posted:Rogers just submitted an amended TPIA tariff for UBB rates for wholesale apparently though. Cogeco is basically ignoring the CRTC and only letting Teksavvy connect where they will drop dark fiber which means the rollouts will be glacial. In the end resellers cannot compete with Bell and Rogers while the CRTC is in their pocket. In a year there will basically be no reason to go with a reseller over Bell and Rogers since they will dictate the rates and often give better bandwidth options to their own customers. For example Bell lets you buy a 40GB block for $5 if you're a Bell customer but Teksavvy customers won't have that option, they will have pay the new rates. The speed matching prices were a joke too. It's a lovely situation, I don't know what anyone can do about it though other than get some lawyers involved because the CRTC is literally just doing whatever the hell Rogers and Bell ask for. At this point I'm not sure why the competition bureau of canada isn't involved or something, it's become ludicrous to the point of total transparency. It's because the majority of customers don't give a poo poo. Canada == Apathy, and all that
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# ? Dec 19, 2010 23:41 |
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Rogers just started RAPING bandwidth here in Ottawa. I went from pulling 1.2MBit down on torrents cleanly with other applications able to work at the same time to now only being able to pull 2-300k and any time that there is any P2P running they are breaking all connections to the point where i cannot stay connected to an online game at all. Disconnected within 1 minute. It's ridiculous. Their new "traffic management" is also impacting RDP and logmein and other business type applications. I am SERIOUSLY thinking of trying to get Teksavvy cable service here. I was told by previous owner that we are too far from the CO for any DSL based service but I only recently found out about Teksavvy even having cable based service. The only thing slowing me down is reading that Rogers is in the process of getting set up to mess with Teksavvy's cable customers like Bell does with DSL resellers. I used to have AT&T U-Verse FTTN service in Houston last year... Rogers here in Ottawa makes me cry!
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# ? Dec 20, 2010 15:41 |
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Only in Canada is loving over your own customers considered a legitimate business strategy to avoid competition/slowing churn rates.
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# ? Dec 21, 2010 02:41 |
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spoof posted:Good news everyone! Bell lowered their 6Mbit DSL caps to 25GB/month and raised the maximum overage to $60/month. Unless you go over 300GB/month, in which case the sky is the limit. Do Blotto boxes actually work? Can we do that? DropDeadRed posted:Rogers just started RAPING bandwidth here in Ottawa. I went from pulling 1.2MBit down on torrents cleanly with other applications able to work at the same time to now only being able to pull 2-300k and any time that there is any P2P running they are breaking all connections to the point where i cannot stay connected to an online game at all. Disconnected within 1 minute. It's ridiculous. Make sure you get an OpenVPN or SSTP connection because PPTP isn't secure. I have an SSTP connection and max out my bandwidth both ways on Teksavvy cable. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Dec 21, 2010 |
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Shumagorath posted:StrongVPN to the US or even somewhere else in Canada should get your torrents back in shape. I never run P2P with games going but if you get an endpoint in Toronto or Montreal you shouldn't notice a huge spike in lag. Hell, you might even get better routing to some of the server providers. Yay for paying MORE cash to get the ability to make use of what I already pay a monthly fee to get! Do you have trouble maxing out your bandwidth with tekksavy cable without the VPN? Are they already throttling tekksavy cable? I thought that wasn't happening quite yet.
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