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Angry Grimace posted:I'm starting to wonder what the actual benefit is to individually briefing the cases. Honestly, I already understand the cases as is, but it just saves me hours to just read Legalines and not bother reading Yeazell's paperweight and I understand the material far better than anyone who just struggled through reading the book. It's not useful in the least except as an aid if you get cold-called.
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evilweasel posted:It's not useful in the least except as an aid if you get cold-called. Everyone stops briefing by second semester of 1L
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm not getting how it's any more useful. You have just won the game.
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http://burneylawfirm.com/blog/2010/11/15/the-law-students-lament/ I don't think I've ever read a more clueless and loving  assessment of the predicament of law students.
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Defleshed posted:http://burneylawfirm.com/blog/2010/11/15/the-law-students-lament/ I like the self-righteousness from a white collar criminal defense lawyer.
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Defleshed posted:http://burneylawfirm.com/blog/2010/11/15/the-law-students-lament/ Yes, I recall my vote for Mr. Burney as the chief welcomer/voice of our profession two years ago. This is not the change I voted for!
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm starting to wonder what the actual benefit is to individually briefing the cases. Honestly, I already understand the cases as is, but it just saves me hours to just read Legalines and not bother reading Yeazell's paperweight and I understand the material far better than anyone who just struggled through reading the book. As a 1L my opinion probably doesn't make a big difference, but I pretty much stopped reading the casebooks a while ago. Online briefs and Casenote Legal Briefs have gotten me through classes just fine, and I feel like I get the same out of them as I do from reading the cases. Yeah, its good to know how to read cases and all that, but after a while it just becomes a huge time suck and there are much better ways to study. Spending time with the hornbooks and outlines has been a lot more helpful to me than piecing the law together, one obscure case at a time.
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I want to post a comment that lays out the facts, but I can't be bothered to register a temporary gmail account. But wow is that guy annoying. He graduated from GULC in the nineties, and he thinks he has perspective on what current law school grads are facing? Get real.
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Soothing Vapors posted:My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. You should absolutely tell them not to go, no jobs, etc. It feels good. It feels right. Especially if you have better credentials than they currently do, since a lot of them will think "oh well he only says that about law school because he's dumb/a loser/I'm better." Now that The Economist (caps) has written an article denouncing American law schools, you can pretty much Exhibit A that poo poo when explaining it to them.
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Nov 18, 2010 22:58
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm starting to wonder what the actual benefit is to individually briefing the cases. Honestly, I already understand the cases as is, but it just saves me hours to just read Legalines and not bother reading Yeazell's paperweight and I understand the material far better than anyone who just struggled through reading the book. Don't forget that every 1L case is on wikipedia. Also, once you get really good you don't even bother buying the textbooks.
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atlas of bugs posted:You should absolutely tell them not to go, no jobs, etc. It feels good. It feels right. It never ceases to amaze me how many people are willing to blow a 1/5 of a million dollars in debt at an unranked school just to postpone actually starting their careers. Every time I hear someone say, "I want to do International Law," I just shake my heads. It's like they believe its some secret gateway to getting free trips to Paris or something.
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Angry Grimace posted:I think I'm the exception to the rule since I attend a Third Tier Toilet, but I'm also going to work at my dad's law firm where I rather suspect I don't need credentials other than a license. One of my profs did WTO poo poo and international trade arbitration for a paris based office and from talking to him it sounds like it's actually a pretty lovely gig So not only will they never get to the end of the rainbow if they do they'll find a bag of poo poo not a bag of gold
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Angry Grimace posted:I think I'm the exception to the rule since I attend a Third Tier Toilet, but I'm also going to work at my dad's law firm where I rather suspect I don't need credentials other than a license. Yeah, if you have a familial connection then it really doesn't matter, but I'm still amazed/frustrated/cruelly smug when I hear, for example, all of the English majors graduating and boasting about "GETTIN PAID!" in law school for "Entertainment/International Law, or maybe just work for the ACLU or something." People have this idea of an office in Brussels with all the luxurious trappings of fantasy, and somehow don't put together that this might be something other people are imagining and thus is unattainably competitive, along with all of the jobs you'd need to ever work your way to that point.
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Soothing Vapors posted:(seriously what can I really tell these kids other than DONT GO YOU loving RETARDS? the LSAT average at my school is like 151, all these kids are going to end up at Cooley, with no scholly. I think my advisor is expecting a "gosh law school sure is grand" speech, but I don't have it in me. he's a nice guy and I hate to disappoint him but I will not send more skulls to the skull throne) You can rant and rave about law school and have these kids silently consider you a failure or you can tell them the "secret" to succeeding in law school. After giving this speech you are well on your way to building your "law school expert" resume. Here's your competition: http://www.lawschoolexpert.com/ She makes $1,500 for every loser that wants her to edit their personal statement.
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atlas of bugs posted:You should absolutely tell them not to go, no jobs, etc. It feels good. It feels right. To be fair, people don't listen even when they are told don't go no jobs die alone by those with better credentials. Everyone is a special snowflake, you're just jealous or an elitist. So, awkward Thanksgiving to come: my cousin just found out I'm a 1L at Yale and is going to be asking me for application advice when he comes to Thanksgiving dinner. He has a 2.9/155. The next day we bury our grandfather. Eeesh.
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I don't brief poo poo but I do read the cases...it's not really that hard unless its some con law poo poo with 3 concurrences and a dissent, then just read the majority and the notes afterward
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Hey Vapors - Honestly, you should tell your prelaw advisor that you will give honest advice to them but that it won't be all positive. It will be accurate and you will be fair but not gloss over the various difficulties. If you're honest with him, and honest about all angles with the student, it'll be good. But you shouldn't lie (or ham it up) with any of them.
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:all true.
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Elected President of the U.S., 2032.
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oOoOoOh an entire desk??? I'd take a picture of my bedroom floor if I weren't ashamed of it but the gist is that there are a lot of empty bottles and cans and I think even a jug in there somewhere. I get around by hoppingDefleshed posted:Everyone stops briefing by second semester of 1L I think I stopped after the first week. The only class I ever found it useful for was a bankruptcy class my third year where the adjunct was a WWII vet bankruptcy judge who loved loved loved to cold call and say "tell us about this case" that only had 9 people in it.  IN OTHER NEWSMy temp job is coming dangerously close to a permanent one. A copywriter position conveniently opened up and I applied for it and they're interviewing me on monday and I'm terrified because I don't really have the relevant experience and I'm afraid the theme is going to be "so we don't think you're qualified but we thought we'd give you a chance to sell yourself in person, GO" like that one terrible interview I had in law school that I still have bad dreams about occasionally. Oh I hope I somehow get it though. Research and writing was the only part of the lawyer thing I liked or was good at anyway and that's basically what this job would be so...yeah I'm kind of making GBS threads my pants here I hope they don't know I post here, I don't want them to know about the jug
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The Warszawa posted:To be fair, people don't listen even when they are told don't go no jobs die alone by those with better credentials. Everyone is a special snowflake, you're just jealous or an elitist. A friend of mine was asking me for application advice with his 3.1/153. He was looking at College of Charleston law. I told him that it wasn't even fully accredited. His response, "Well, they're probably gonna get accreditation." I was so stupefied I couldn't respond. In what universe is it acceptable to pay 40k go to a school that isn't technically a school yet?! That's like some wanna-be med student going to a startup Caribbean med school that is actually a beach shack with some test tubes in it.
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Petey posted:worryingly, that is exactly what my apartment looks like, complete with the cans of coors light everywhere on my desk (you see, it's where the wii/xbox is)
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evilweasel posted:worryingly, that is exactly what my apartment looks like, complete with the cans of coors light everywhere on my desk (you see, it's where the wii/xbox is) The cord or whatever that connects to my wireless router is too short so in order to boost it up it's sitting on top of a property textbook which is resting on top of an empty 12-pack that's the least depressing part of my room
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Omerta posted:A friend of mine was asking me for application advice with his 3.1/153. He was looking at College of Charleston law. I told him that it wasn't even fully accredited. His response, "Well, they're probably gonna get accreditation." I was so stupefied I couldn't respond. In what universe is it acceptable to pay 40k go to a school that isn't technically a school yet?! That's like some wanna-be med student going to a startup Caribbean med school that is actually a beach shack with some test tubes in it. It's not even affiliated with CofC, it's just a lovely little private school. I'd say I don't even know why they thought SC actually needed a second law school, but it's not like we don't already know. Ugh.
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Gotta drink the high-potency poo poo like Oskar Blues' Gubna. 10% abv means after you drink a four-pack, it's like having drank ten lovely domestics. And it tastes better.
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Right now, my favorite beers are, in descending order: 1: Schneider Aventinus 2: Piraat Ale 3: Weyerbacher Tiny 4: Gouden Carolus 5: Oskar Blues Old Chub
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Gotta drink the high-potency poo poo like Oskar Blues' Gubna. 10% abv means after you drink a four-pack, it's like having drank ten lovely domestics. And it tastes better. High-potency for a toddler maybe, dogfish fort and dogfish 120 minute are where it's at.
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I am just a plebeian with common tastes but I love me a Smithwicks
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Right now, my favorite beers are, in descending order: You need to get yourself some la Fin du Monde On a related note beer reviews are almost as bad as lies told by law school admissions committees: "notes of grain/wheat, pineapple, peaches, clove/yeast and some tartness. It begins with honey and biscuity malt and moves into light fruit with a hint of bitterness/light sparkling cider quality. The mouthfeel is coating, with moderate thickness and high carbonation." It's just a loving beer jesus christ
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:You need to get yourself some la Fin du Monde Plebe spotted.
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Green Crayons posted:Plebe spotted. Mouthfeel my d0ng
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I'm so sorry Green Crayons. With a word like "mouthfeel" just hanging out there I just had to.
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Feces Starship posted:Mouthfeel my d0ng The rumors about you and J.N. were true!
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billion dollar bitch posted:The rumors about you and J.N. were true! didn't get this at first, thought about it more and then lollllllllllllll EDIT: BTW we should do a lunch.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Right now, my favorite beers are, in descending order: Aventinus  I'm on a Weihenstephan dunkel hef thing lately though.
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Feces Starship posted:I'm so sorry Green Crayons. With a word like "mouthfeel" just hanging out there I just had to.
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Green Crayons posted:No harm, no foul as long as your dong is coated with moderate thickness. 
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Spider Chipmunk posted:It's not even affiliated with CofC, it's just a lovely little private school. I'd say I don't even know why they thought SC actually needed a second law school, but it's not like we don't already know. Ugh. Hey, I'd much rather be a miserable law student in Charleston than in Columbia, that's for sure.
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Soothing Vapors posted:My prelaw advisor has invited me back to my undergrad to give a talk to his prelaw dumbs about law school and the law school experience. I have 15 minutes plus a guided question/answer session to fill. I'm doing one of these on Saturday. I'm planning a slightly more intellectual/slightly less suicidal approach than you. But the message will be the same. I'm gonna close it by pointing at the pre-law advisor and shouting "And if she's told you anything different, she's a LIAR!"
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evilweasel posted:High-potency for a toddler maybe, dogfish fort and dogfish 120 minute are where it's at. I tried the 120 once, it came in this adorable little chalice-thingy and was kind of like drinking wine. 60 and 90 are terrific, though.
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