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Digital War posted:Does anyone have any experience with the Acer Easystore H340? I have the complete opposite experience as Jigoku San. I really enjoy my Acer H340. I have 4 WD Green drives (between 3x1tb 1x1.5tb) and the box is pretty quiet ~2 feet from me. I think it does run a bit hot though. Also, the Atom 230 is a 64 bit processor but that doesn't future proof you for Vail when it comes out. I haven't looked at prebuilt WHS in a while but I would suggest the H340 to someone who wanted a WHSv1.
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Wife's laptop HD just died, and I decided that it's time to put together a backup solution. I'm also looking into building an HTPC at some point in the near future, so I've decided to build a WHS box to serve media and provide backup storage. I've got stupid-head from trying to understand what's going on in the NAS thread, and seeing familiar terminology has convinced me that WHS is probably my best bet. I've got an older C2D e6400 w/4GB RAM, which is figure will be more than sufficient. I've got two brand new 2TB Samsung drives that I just got on sale, a 500gb drive, and a 320gb drive. The 500 and the 320gb are both 7200, while the 2TBs are both 5400. Is this going to cause any sort of an issue? The vast majority of my data is stuff I don't consider to be invaluable - so I'm only particularly interested in mirroring certain folders. As I understand it, WHS1 allows this, and even if one of the multiple drives dies, I will lose none of the mirrored data. It's possible to only mirror, say, /Backups, and /Music, and nothing else? My reading of the Drive Extender document makes me think so. Lastly, is there anything else I should think about before I jump into this? I don't have any data on any of the drives that I'm going to be using, nor do I own a WHS license yet. Worth waiting for Vail? yasher fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 17, 2010 |
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How does one go about installing Vail over WHSv1? Upgrade install? Say I wanted to install the OS fresh, what would be the best way to keep the data on the storage drives intact and readable from the new operating system?
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yasher posted:I've got an older C2D e6400 w/4GB RAM, which is figure will be more than sufficient. I've got two brand new 2TB Samsung drives that I just got on sale, a 500gb drive, and a 320gb drive. The 500 and the 320gb are both 7200, while the 2TBs are both 5400. Is this going to cause any sort of an issue? Shouldn't be. Usually you want to install WHS on the largest drive but in this case I would use one of the 7200rpm drives as the OS drive. yasher posted:The vast majority of my data is stuff I don't consider to be invaluable - so I'm only particularly interested in mirroring certain folders. As I understand it, WHS1 allows this, and even if one of the multiple drives dies, I will lose none of the mirrored data. It's possible to only mirror, say, /Backups, and /Music, and nothing else? My reading of the Drive Extender document makes me think so. Yes, you can select individual folders to partake in Shared Folder Duplication. You can read more here. urbancontra posted:How does one go about installing Vail over WHSv1? Upgrade install? Vail is 64-bit only, while WHSv1 is 32-bit. There is no upgrade path, so you'll have to do a server reinstall. Reinstalling the OS on WHS should be fairly simple. Pop in the CD, choose "Server Reinstallation" and wait. It'll format your 20gb OS partition, then search your storage pool and recreate the file markers or tombstones pointing to where your data is. This may take several hours to do depending on how much data you have.
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Jigoku San posted:I got one. It's pretty nice but its out of date now, no 64-bit so no Vail. It supports 64bit. code:
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Ah drat, its the first-gen netbook atoms that arn't 64bit. I have 3 1.5tb LP/Green/Eco type drives and the included 1tb WD Green. Over the summer it was like 90+ in my room and my 1.5tb WD Green (15EADS) would disconnect. It might be the drive, out of the 3 low power 1.5tb drives I have its always run the hottest, but it hasn't had a problem since I moved it to my SansDigital cage.
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I must admit, I'm quite pleased with how easy this was to setup. I just had to shove some new drives into an old box and voila, a file server with the option of duplication. Glad this thread was around to convince me to stay far, far away from OpenIndiana and other poo poo that I just plain don't get.
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I haven't had much of an occasion to look into how this works: How exactly are the files on the data drives structured? I'm planning out how to migrate all of my data from WHS to Linux without having enough space to just copy it all straight over. Right now I'm thinking about just mounting the drives as NTFS read only in my Linux box and copy the data off of one to the free space I do have, then reformat that drive in Linux, copy data off the next NTFS drive, then format that one, and repeat till done. The problem is I'm not exactly sure how the files on the data drives are stored. Is the folder structure preserved or is that info stored in the tombstones or something? My guess is that the folder structure is preserved and if say files from one folder and stored on more than one drive the folder structure is mirrored on each drive?
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Its real simple, look for the hidden folder in the root of the drive, open it, should be another folder inside it called Shares, open that. It should have all your file shares in folders. Just copy all that stuff where ever you need it.
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redeyes posted:Its real simple, look for the hidden folder in the root of the drive, open it, should be another folder inside it called Shares, open that. It should have all your file shares in folders. Just copy all that stuff where ever you need it. Ok, what about the fact that I've got multiple data drives? Out of curiosity...is the entire folder structure mirrored on each data drive, or just the folders that happen to have files stored on that specific drive?
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Thermopyle posted:Ok, what about the fact that I've got multiple data drives? Out of curiosity...is the entire folder structure mirrored on each data drive, or just the folders that happen to have files stored on that specific drive? Yeah the entire folder structure is mirrored on every drive. If something is unduplicated, it will only be on one drive however, dups are on 2 drives. This is why I love WHS
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redeyes posted:Yeah the entire folder structure is mirrored on every drive. If something is unduplicated, it will only be on one drive however, dups are on 2 drives. Cool, thanks. I knew this was possible, I just hadn't looked in to the details of how it worked exactly. The possibility is why I, too, love WHSv1. I'm just looking at moving to a Linux raid solution because as I add more and more drives I get more and more nervous about not having any sort of parity protection. Also, I like to tinker. :p
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The folder structure is not totally preserved. Where the data is stored is random based on how full the other discs are and how balanced they are. If you were to pull 2 drives out of your WHS and plug then into external enclosures and browse through the hidden "DE" shares, you may see something like this: Drive 1 pre:D:\DE\shares\Music\iTunes\(artist names A-L) pre:D:\DE\shares\Music\iTunes\(artist names M-Z) Vail throws this all out the windows BTW.
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The thing about parity protection is basically that files are moved around via normal NTFS. This means that if a file is somehow damaged windows itself will throw i/o errors and basically let you know about it right away. I have not heard of a single instance of invisible corruption occurring. I have however had plenty of drives take a poo poo and corrupt files. WHS immediately throws errors and kicks the drive offline. Not exactly the same thing as parity protection but it does work preventing corruption. Anyways, have at it!
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Whats the proper way to add WD EARS drives to the pool with WHS v1 and PP3? Not using any as a system drive. Just leave the jumper off? Do I need to align them once they are added?
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Suniikaa posted:Whats the proper way to add WD EARS drives to the pool with WHS v1 and PP3? Not using any as a system drive. Just leave the jumper off? Do I need to align them once they are added? Set the jumper per the directions to make it a non-advanced-format drive (or whatever they call it), then install as usual and add it to the pool.
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EC posted:Set the jumper per the directions to make it a non-advanced-format drive (or whatever they call it), then install as usual and add it to the pool. These are drives that I have been using for a while now, do I need to delete the partitions first or anything else?
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Suniikaa posted:These are drives that I have been using for a while now, do I need to delete the partitions first or anything else? No, when you add it to the pool it will format the drive.
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I need to copy a helluva lot of data from one WHS box to another, around 4tb worth. What's the fastest/easiest/safest/sanest way to accomplish this? Something like rsync?
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EC posted:I need to copy a helluva lot of data from one WHS box to another, around 4tb worth. What's the fastest/easiest/safest/sanest way to accomplish this? Something like rsync? Can you add another drive to your WHS box? If so put the drive in but don't add it to the drive pool. You can copy everything over to your drive pool.
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gariig posted:Can you add another drive to your WHS box? If so put the drive in but don't add it to the drive pool. You can copy everything over to your drive pool. Wouldn't I have to then take the drive out, install it in the second WHS, copy the data to the drive pool, then add that drive to the drive pool? That seems like a longer process than doing it over the network, from the first WHS box to the second.
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personally i like to use Second Copy it supports UNC paths, so just set up jobs for each share and let it run over night. I use that to Backup my data instead of the WHS backup too, it just runs every week and backs up anything new.
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Waffle Conspiracy posted:personally i like to use Second Copy it supports UNC paths, so just set up jobs for each share and let it run over night. So I can specify specific UNC paths and just let it go to town? Awesome, just what I needed. I wonder how long it's going to take to copy 4tb of data over 100mb. I really need to upgrade to a Gigabit ethernet at some point.
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Just to throw this out there, supercopier works great as well, and you get a nice GUI to boot. http://supercopier.sfxteam.org/
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This is another one http://freefilesync.sourceforge.net/
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kri kri posted:This is another one Any file sync tool, especially one that runs on Unix, that doesn't have "uses rsync" or at very least "uses rsync algorithm" can just go right ahead and ![]()
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Is there a proper source to get an ISO with WHS PP3 integrated into the entire install? MSDN does not seem to have the latest version and Connect keeps linking me to trial demos that do not allow for a user to upgrade to the full version. I have a valid WHS key but I'm looking for a full integrated PP3 install so I can avoid having to go through multiple software updates once I reformat this machine.
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Jeratain posted:Is there a proper source to get an ISO with WHS PP3 integrated into the entire install? MSDN does not seem to have the latest version and Connect keeps linking me to trial demos that do not allow for a user to upgrade to the full version. Can you download the ISO from MSDN and slipstream in the updates into a new image? This is a fairly painless process for service packs but I'm not sure if the power packs behave the same way.
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Drive extender is being cut from Vail?! I'm at a loss as to what this product is turning into. http://www.mswhs.com/2010/11/drive-extender-cut-from-home-server/
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EC posted:Drive extender is being cut from Vail?! I'm at a loss as to what this product is turning into. Was just about to post this myself. Drive Extender (v1 at least) was one of the root ideals of WHS. I can understand deciding to scrap the V2 of it, but I have no idea what WHS will be without that underlying principle, just a Windows Server 2008 skin? EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the WHS team answered that. We get RAID instead. quote:While this removes the integrated ability for storage pooling of multiple hard drives and automated data duplication, we are continuing to work closely with our OEM partners to implement storage management and protection using industry standard RAID solutions, as well as other software solutions. This will provide customers greater choice as well as a seamless experience that will meet their storage needs. Customers will also have access to the in-built storage solutions Windows Server 2008 R2 provides for data protection, including software RAID support. We are also still delivering core features such as automated Server and PC backup, easy sharing of folders and files, Remote Web Access and simplified management without any expected changes. http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowshomeserver/archive/2010/11/23/windows-home-server-code-name-vail-update.aspx SwiftStrikerInc fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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Jeratain posted:Is there a proper source to get an ISO with WHS PP3 integrated into the entire install? MSDN does not seem to have the latest version and Connect keeps linking me to trial demos that do not allow for a user to upgrade to the full version. Use X-files, pretty sure its in the OP. EC posted:Drive extender is being cut from Vail?! I'm at a loss as to what this product is turning into. Haha christ How in the world did they think this was a good idea? I don't want loving drive letters, I want a single unified space. Guess I will stick with v1 or unraid or some poo poo kri kri fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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Wait, so now Vail won't even be able to do duplication? What the gently caress are they thinking?
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The two features that made WHS for me is te storage pool and the ability to easily add additional drives. Without that I guess I'll start looking at unRaid or whatever when my current box gets too hold.
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What the...? I haven't yet tried any version of WHS, was waiting until the final version of v2 as it was so soon, but the whole 'can take any hard drive out and access via any PC for recovery' thing looked an important part of v1 for me, as well as select individual folders for duplication. Why couldn't they just use the old version of Drive Extender, or at least made it optional?
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This is just so loving stupid. The storage pool is the main reason I use WHS. This is especially dumb since Vail beta had DE.
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Roz Ho was involved in this decision. I just know it. How could MS be this loving stupid? Yanking DE pretty much overrules anything that might have been added in Vail, and MS is going to lose everybody who jumped on board the WHS bandwagon prior to this. I like to joke about MS doing really stupid poo poo as much as anybody else, but this is on the level of the Kin, except that MS is yanking the rug out from underneath an actual existing customer base. This is so loving stupid. How could they go and make a product that was well received and had basically created a new market and then say "why don't you guys just gently caress off, we didn't give a poo poo about you." They've also just opened the door for Apple to roll out something in this area. It really loving pisses me off because I was waiting for Vail to build a nice system just for this.
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I've been waiting for Vail to build a WHS system but there's no way I will now, that's just a bizarre decision that seems totally disconnected with what the user base wants. Oh well, I guess Lime-Tech gets another unRaid license sale. Frustrating, I just finished setting up all of my HTPC related stuff and the central repo was the final step, WHS would have been perfect for it.
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The SBS Blog provides a huge clue:quote:As SBS 2011 Essentials also shares the Drive Extender feature with both Windows Home Server Code Name “Vail” and Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 Essentials, we are working with OEM partners to also provide similar data protection solutions for all members of this product family. Target product availability is still H1 2011, and we expect to deliver a new beta without drive extender for both Small Business Server 2011 Essentials and Windows Home Server Code Name “Vail” early in the New Year. It's about positioning these products as OEM solutions. Buy a new server to get the new features, let the OEM's differentiate themselves and be able to set higher prices for what is otherwise standard hardware. Vail probably got hit because businesses might have used it instead of Aurora if the feature was still there.
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tonelok posted:It really loving pisses me off because I was waiting for Vail to build a nice system just for this.
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# ? Jun 10, 2024 10:35 |
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hooooly poo poo gently caress YOU MS!
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