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Surfingelectrode posted:That's what happens when you have Vlado Meller master your album. This is obnoxious as poo poo, I hope the vinyl release really won't take an extra month. Update: Still upset 
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Pitchfork put on its trollface.
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Nov 22, 2010 07:43
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hatersg2haet posted:Pitchfork put on its trollface. No, they did that when they hyped MIA for months and then trashed her album.
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Nov 22, 2010 07:45
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Surfingelectrode posted:No, they did that when they hyped MIA for months and then trashed her album. They hyped the negative things about MIA. It wasn't a surprise.
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Nov 22, 2010 07:50
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to be fair, the new MIA album was pretty bad. It is kind of strange to me though that Pitchfork would give a 10.0 to such an inevitably mainstream (note: mainstream meaning "mainstream-level sales figures") record. I don't doubt it deserves the rating, though.
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Nov 22, 2010 08:06
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I think the Pitchfork review ignores the fact that on some level, you kind of have to be interested in Kanye on some level to take certain things out of this album. A looooot of material on this album is central to him and his life and there's not a lot of universal themes that every single person can relate to - I love the album but you have to admit that that is true on some level. Not arguing that I don't think it's great, but in addition to what I said above: as someone off this site said, "I can't shake the feeling that most of these perfect scores are just the result of review sources trying to compete with and outdo each other rather than praise for the music itself"
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Nov 22, 2010 08:30
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When it comes to all pop music around today, I'd say Kanye earned that 10 out of 10. However, considering the wide ecletic range of music Pitchfork covers, I think Kanye's album is more deserving of something in the eight range. I mean, they clearly did this because everyone knows that Pitchfork giving 10s is unheard of, but I'm sure they're really thinking "Nah, there's more deserving records." Then again, considering this album has the potential to become a new American classic, I suppose the 10 isn't -that- out there. We'll have to see. And yeah, I was thoroughly disappointed by MIA's album. I was so excited after seeing the video for Born Free, only to be incredibly let down. Hopefully she gets over herself and actually produces something worth listening to next go-around.
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Nov 22, 2010 08:45
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bows1 posted:I understood all of it. Just didn't seem like amazing wordplay, hes had better. Thats all Keep raising the roof, just don't literally raise it. Catch you at Pop Tate's. I wonder if you put the other so called classic works, Sargent Pepper, Darkside of The Moon, Thriller etc, into nowadays settings, what the criticism would be like with everyone being so much more opinionated and whatnot. I bet you'd see that same radio station guy saying the Beatles "just didn't hit the mark." For reference I put "so called" because I don't care for the Beatles or Pink Floyd.
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Nov 22, 2010 08:52
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I don't really see why the Pitchfork score is that much of a surprise - they gave Late Registration a 9.5/10 and put all of Kanye's albums sans 808 & Heartbreaks on their top 100 albums of the last decade list. I would have been a lot more surprised if they reviewed the album badly considering that they had already heaped an incredible amount of praise on the third of the album that appeared as GOOD Friday tracks prior to the review.Final Fart Buttball posted:Not arguing that I don't think it's great, but in addition to what I said above: as someone off this site said, "I can't shake the feeling that most of these perfect scores are just the result of review sources trying to compete with and outdo each other rather than praise for the music itself" I don't think this is true either. I've had minimal interest and knowledge at best in Kanye's previous albums / his media exploits, but this is easily my album of the year. Considering the general praise the album has been getting, if a site wanted to stand out it would be much easier to trash the album rather than being the 1000th outlet to give it a 9-10/10 or 4-5 / 5.
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Nov 22, 2010 08:56
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I'm not sure I can trust the objectivity of a person who would spend money to reg an account named "Bonye West" and by a kanye avatar.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I'm not sure I can trust the objectivity of a person who would spend money to reg an account named "Bonye West" and by a kanye avatar. Oh I know right, I mean, I'm actually him in disguise, shucks. My real nickname is Bonye West, as a joke. I also post in the scenecore thread and the indie thread. I guess I could've been Fall Out Bon, or My Chemical Bon, but I really wanted one person to point this out. Bonye West and an avatar from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia didn't have the same style combination, sorry guy. If, however, you'd actually like to debate a point I've made, that would be cool.
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Nov 22, 2010 09:03
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Bonye West posted:Oh I know right, I mean, I'm actually him in disguise, shucks. My real nickname is Bonye West, as a joke. I also post in the scenecore thread and the indie thread. I guess I could've been Fall Out Bon, or My Chemical Bon, but I really wanted one person to point this out. Bonye West and an avatar from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia didn't have the same style combination, sorry guy. If, however, you'd actually like to debate a point I've made, that would be cool. A point that you probably have confirmation bias out the rear end and try to establish your cred by rejecting popular bands? I wouldn't know where to start.
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Nov 22, 2010 09:15
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theflyingexecutive posted:A point that you probably have confirmation bias out the rear end and try to establish your cred by rejecting popular bands? I wouldn't know where to start. Dude, I like Fall Out Boy, last I checked they were pretty popular? What cool unheard of band or chart topping legend do I have to embrace to prove myself to you, internet king? I like Queen, I hear Freddie Mercury is popular with everyone. Did you know he's gay? Blew my mind. Still waiting for you to pick something I've actually said and you know, show me what's wrong? Also that Brett guy has a Kanye avatar, he's actually Jay-Z. This is all a Masonic conspiracy, Hov.
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Nov 22, 2010 09:44
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And really, what's more objective than examining a waveform in Audacity?
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Nov 22, 2010 09:57
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Yeezy taught me.
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Nov 22, 2010 10:34
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I don't get why a single person is surprised by Pitchfork's 10.0. I called this 2 weeks ago. Also the picture of the waveform is embarrassing. e: I mean me and Bonye are clearly the most objective people here. I've only purchased like 3 copies of this album already, it could be way more. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Nov 22, 2010 |
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Nov 22, 2010 13:52
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Does it count that I said it sounded like poo poo before I looked at the waveforms? I listened to a blog copy of Monster and the Amazon one, and they sound completely different.
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Nov 22, 2010 14:24
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I have taken all the oil out of Canada and purchased pitchfork.com and given my album a 10. Also guy, I said I didn't like the last G.O.O.D. Friday track. Or was that all a clever ruse?
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Nov 22, 2010 14:40
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gently caress the guy who mastered this album
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Jam2 posted:gently caress the guy who mastered this album  Top: Monster, pre-mastering, GOOD Friday. Bottom: Monster, album cut. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 22, 2010 |
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Nov 22, 2010 15:37
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gently caress the guys who mixed this album.
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Nov 22, 2010 16:02
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The mixing's awesome, the mastering is the awful part. Vlado Meller 
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Nov 22, 2010 16:18
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I really, really love Power, Runaway, and Lost in the World. I loved Monster as a single but it feels jarring on the album, as does most of the middle part of the album. The dude doesn't need collaborations other than Jay-Z (we all need Jay-Z). I'd kill to see an all-Kanye album close to this though.
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Nov 22, 2010 16:57
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So if I live in America and buy locally I pretty much only get the censored artwork and I don't have a choice? Makes me want to buy it from overseas
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Nov 22, 2010 17:32
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I hate the censored artwork anyways. The one of him with all the different screaming mouths is the best one imo.
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Nov 22, 2010 18:53
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Amazon is selling this for $3.99 today, the MP3 version. Amazon is also giving away $3 in MP3 download credits with the code GET3MP3S. 99 cent for the new Kanye? Sold.
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Final Fart Buttball posted:I think the Pitchfork review ignores the fact that on some level, you kind of have to be interested in Kanye on some level to take certain things out of this album. A looooot of material on this album is central to him and his life and there's not a lot of universal themes that every single person can relate to - I love the album but you have to admit that that is true on some level. The magic of this album deals with the influence that fame has on European/Western culture, which is something relatable to everyone that unconsciously eats it up and those that consciously confine themselves from it. Kanye is the epitomist of pop culture, and the most self-righteous voice that it has seen in a while, yet he reinsures this by producing his best piece of work that is not confined by traditional pop culture models placed on mainstream music, and wonderfully attacks and withholds the glorified level that he is, in all rights, living on. The general theme of lost love and voyeurism is not exactly the most abstract ideas either. Yes, they are central to Kanye very outspoken life and universal audiences will not necessarily relate to dating porn stars etc. etc.. but I don't think that it is too far of an intellectual stretch to fantasize about this life and include yourself within this fantasy. That is the universal magic of this album. It influences the livers and the dreamers.. and I personally think it relates to a vast array of audiences: music-aholics, sex-aholics, fame-aholics, culture-aholics, love-aholics, alchoholics, drug-aholics, fashion-aholics, etc. etc.. Kanye contextualizes his life into a lived fantasy and he accepts that this life is obviously not normal, but more importantly he is self-aware enough to view it like an outside source, thus purposly naming it his fantasy. It is a concept album that is lived by those with or without fame and it breaks down the unnecessary barrier between those people with or without fame by proving that there are relatable themes that exist between every class.
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BrownThunder posted:Amazon is selling this for $3.99 today, the MP3 version. That is insane. I'll probably wait and get the CD used, but I did want to check out the new Ne-Yo (last album was really well-written).
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theflyingexecutive posted:The mixing's awesome, the mastering is the awful part. Vlado Meller is the loving worst. I hate him so much. The mastering on this album is so bad that it's comical. I was listening to Monster in my car earlier and you can hear the vocals clipping nonstop during the verses.
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Nov 22, 2010 20:47
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I can't believe I'm considering buying the deluxe version just to have a copy of Runaway on DVD. Bad me. Stop spending extra money you shouldn't be spending in the first place.
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Nov 22, 2010 21:12
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Do both the normal and deluxe editions of the cd have the 5 different swappable album covers, or is that deluxe-with-dvd only?
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onefish posted:Do both the normal and deluxe editions of the cd have the 5 different swappable album covers, or is that deluxe-with-dvd only? Only the deluxe edition.
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Thrust On Moore posted:When it comes to all pop music around today, I'd say Kanye earned that 10 out of 10. However, considering the wide ecletic range of music Pitchfork covers, I think Kanye's album is more deserving of something in the eight range. I mean, they clearly did this because everyone knows that Pitchfork giving 10s is unheard of, but I'm sure they're really thinking "Nah, there's more deserving records." This is one of the few albums that Pitchfork can give a 10 to without the 10 calling too much attention to the album or detracting from it or creating backlash. If Pitchfork gives a 10 to, I dunno, Deerhunter, then Deerhunter is now "that band that got a 10 on Pitchfork", and reactions to their albums will be "THIS poo poo got a 10? THIS is perfect music? THIS IS BULLSHIT". What's a 10 to Kanye West gonna do. Who's going to start hating him for that?
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Looking at the Twitter Trending Topic, I am thoroughly surprised at the amount of hype this album ended up getting. I know it's Kanye West, but it seems like the amount of people tweeting about buying the album and telling other people to support the artist and etc is larger than I would have thought.
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Picked up the album today and I'm loving the hell out of it. I'm glad I held off on listening to it, All of the Lights is nuts. I'm probably pretty late to this party though. Sorry Kanye thread. What's the deluxe edition supposed to have?
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Bruce Boxliker posted:Picked up the album today and I'm loving the hell out of it. I'm glad I held off on listening to it, All of the Lights is nuts. I'm probably pretty late to this party though. Sorry Kanye thread. Deluxe packaging with interchangeable covers and lots of gold foil, a poster, and the Runaway film on DVD. For just a few dollars more, I think it's worth it.
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Nov 23, 2010 01:24
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The first time I've actually gone to the store and bought a CD in 4 years and it was worth it. I've been listening to the album for weeks now but the whole presentation of it was worth the extra money.
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Brett824 posted:I don't get why a single person is surprised by Pitchfork's 10.0. I called this 2 weeks ago. yeah i don't get why anyone is surprised that an extremely subjective website that focuses on indie rock and is known for eliciting insane reactions from people regardless of the score just gave an album their first perfect score in a decade i just don't get it i mean i called it.
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They also called Justified one of the top ten albums of the year it was released, and Outkast's B.O.B the song of the decade. This is not unforeseeable.
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The Modern Leper posted:They also called Justified one of the top ten albums of the year it was released, and Outkast's B.O.B the song of the decade. This is not unforeseeable. I'd say that BOB was the song of the decade...
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