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The mastering is such a bummer. Every time I'm listening to "Hell of A Life" and that "When you never gently caress with the lights on..." part comes in, I'm expecting this powerful, trunk-rattling bass, and it never happens. When I get the vinyl, I'm going to rip it and see if it's mastered different. It probably isn't, but I would really like some more defined percussion, 'cause that's the only thing that is bugging me about this album so far.
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So is there definitely a vinyl version being released? From what I understand (and I could be wrong... someone more knowledgeable should correct me if that's the case), records can't really be mastered the way this album was. They need more dynamics or else the needle or has a hard time with it. Either way, it'll be nice to get a good 24-bit vinyl rip of this fantastic record.
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Blinkz0rz posted:I'm disappointed with the album mix of Runaway. I think he did way too much with the "Who got ya?" backing samples and filled in some of the awesome space that was filled with piano and strings on the pre-album mix. I get what he's trying to do with the autotune solo, but it sounds kind of out of place with the piano and strings. Plus it clips like crazy. If if helps, the sample is "Look atcha!" which ties into the sense of self-reproach and self-loathing built up in the song.
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cymbalrush posted:So is there definitely a vinyl version being released? http://www.insound.com/My-Beautiful-Dark-Twisted-Fantasy-3xLP-Kanye-West/P/INS83181/ I just hope that some website in Europe decides to sell 'em too. e: also available for cheaper on Amazon.com! (But their packaging is loving awful for LPs) And they've got a small preview picture.  Looks goooood. Angryhead fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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Nov 23, 2010 19:15
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sportsgenius86 posted:Nicki Minaj's verse on Monster is loving insane This. Her verse on Monster is the best verse of her career.
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Nov 23, 2010 19:28
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The Modern Leper posted:If if helps, the sample is "Look atcha!" which ties into the sense of self-reproach and self-loathing built up in the song. That certainly makes more sense in context, but I still like the pre-album leaked version a million times better because it uses the piano and strings for much greater effect.
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Angryhead posted:http://www.insound.com/My-Beautiful-Dark-Twisted-Fantasy-3xLP-Kanye-West/P/INS83181/ While Amazon is cheaper, their shipping can be iffy. Last time I ordered a record from them, it came in a box the size of a microwave with one sheet of bubble wrap. I'll gladly pay a few extra bucks to order with Insound because they're one of the best record stores online and they've always been good to me. So loving glad I ordered the vinyl, looks like we're getting some prints of one of the George Condo paintings as well as a lyric sheet? Awesome! 
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Nov 23, 2010 19:30
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sportsgenius86 posted:Nicki Minaj's verse on Monster is loving insane It's unreal, might be the best verse on the album for sheer "holy gently caress." In regards to Cee-Lo, I like him, but his album is "meh." He's a great feature guy, can really make a song great, but I find his solo stuff to be like someone else said earlier, forgettable. "gently caress You" was a great revenge song for guys, but the rest of the album I don't really remember much. He's like Will Arnett, hilarious as a supporting cast member, not funny as the main guy.
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Superchunk posted:While Amazon is cheaper, their shipping can be iffy. Last time I ordered a record from them, it came in a box the size of a microwave with one sheet of bubble wrap. No lyrics, just credits for each song. It basically looks like a giant version of the deluxe CD.
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Superchunk posted:While Amazon is cheaper, their shipping can be iffy. Last time I ordered a record from them, it came in a box the size of a microwave with one sheet of bubble wrap. Oh yeah, I don't know how I keep forgetting about that, considering that I've bought LPs from them twice and their packaging was really lovely both times, causing one of my records to skip and another almost fell out of the huge cardbox box they shipped it in  And as everyone has said, the album is awesome. Favourites are All of the Lights, Devil in a New Dress, Lost in the World and Hell of a Life. Pretty much the only thing I'd do on the album is change Power to the G.O.O.D. Fridays remix version instead. e: Amazon vinyl shipping   Click here for the full 1280x1024 image. Angryhead fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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Superchunk posted:While Amazon is cheaper, their shipping can be iffy. Last time I ordered a record from them, it came in a box the size of a microwave with one sheet of bubble wrap. Just pre-ordered at AMZN. Considering jumping ship now. Bonye West posted:It's unreal, might be the best verse on the album for sheer "holy gently caress." To this day, I still listen to Cee-Lo Green ... is the Soul Machine. Jam2 fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Nov 23, 2010 |
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Nov 23, 2010 19:46
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Speaking of Nicki, I'm listening to Pink Friday right now. It's, um, well it's not nearly as interesting as her Monster verse would have you hope. On the other hand, listen to "Blazin" if you want to hear her rap circles around Kanye again. It's honestly a little embarrassing how much better she is than him on that track, especially in the parts where the beat drops. And anyone who thinks of Cee-Lo as forgettable is not someone I'm ever going to see eye to eye on in terms of any music ever.
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maxnmona posted:And anyone who thinks of Cee-Lo as forgettable is not someone I'm ever going to see eye to eye on in terms of any music ever. Any music? Any music, of any genre? Do you know how fuckin ridickalus that sounds.
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Final Fart Buttball posted:Any music? Any music, of any genre? Do you know how fuckin ridickalus that sounds. Welcome to talking about music man, people take poo poo wayyyy too personal when you talk about music and don't like their bands. I could care less, I'm not gonna hate on what people like 99% of the time, music is awesome, there's so much of it out there to discover, people like that it's probably best you don't ever talk to about music. It's like when you're a teenager and "THAT BAND" is the end all of your life and anyone saying poo poo about them is attacking YOU AS A PERSON. Sadly when people leave high school, they don't all leave that mindset back there.
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I love the mixing and mastering on this album because everything sounds super-loud and distorted and I like the distorted sound of the album so it would probably sound worse if it wasn't.
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kingcobweb posted:I love the mixing and mastering on this album because everything sounds super-loud and distorted and I like the distorted sound of the album so it would probably sound worse if it wasn't. This is exactly why I was bothered by some of the bitching in this thread. Is compressing songs to poo poo and flirting with clipping bad? Generally. But there is absolutely no such thing as an inappropriate mixing and/or mastering technique, only an unfitting one. There are plenty of cases where this of course would be completely inappropriate, but given how maximalist the approach to the album's ingredients is, having every sound in the red and shoved together can create an appropriate "claustrophobic" quality. Breathing room is good, but only where you want the listener to have somewhere to breathe. You cannot just stare at a loving waveform and declare what is good engineering and what is not.
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Also, Kanye spent absurd amounts of time and money on this, you don't think he constantly hovered over the shoulder of any engineer that came within a two-block radius of his studio? It's his vision, deal with it
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I don't really care about waveforms I just think it sounds lovely
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Bonye West posted:Welcome to talking about music man, people take poo poo wayyyy too personal when you talk about music and don't like their bands. I could care less, I'm not gonna hate on what people like 99% of the time, music is awesome, there's so much of it out there to discover, people like that it's probably best you don't ever talk to about music. It's like when you're a teenager and "THAT BAND" is the end all of your life and anyone saying poo poo about them is attacking YOU AS A PERSON. Sadly when people leave high school, they don't all leave that mindset back there. My favorite is when you play "weird" music around people who don't listen to anything other than Top 40 and they get all angry like "What is this?! Turn it off!" You know that scene in Talladega Nights when the French driver comes into the bar and changes the jukebox to jazz? Everyone starts screaming and yelling "I WANT THESE NOISES OUT OF MY HEAD!!" That's reality. Gaspar Lewis posted:There are plenty of cases where this of course would be completely inappropriate, but given how maximalist the approach to the album's ingredients is, having every sound in the red and shoved together can create an appropriate "claustrophobic" quality. Breathing room is good, but only where you want the listener to have somewhere to breathe. This is a good point, and if the overblown mastering was intentional for this reason I would understand.
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Bonye West posted:Welcome to talking about music man, people take poo poo wayyyy too personal when you talk about music and don't like their bands. I could care less, I'm not gonna hate on what people like 99% of the time, music is awesome, there's so much of it out there to discover, people like that it's probably best you don't ever talk to about music. It's like when you're a teenager and "THAT BAND" is the end all of your life and anyone saying poo poo about them is attacking YOU AS A PERSON. Sadly when people leave high school, they don't all leave that mindset back there. *writes a long melodramatic paragraph because of an offhand comment on SomethingAwful.com* Yeah, I just wish people would be more mature, you know?
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maxnmona posted:*writes a long melodramatic paragraph because of an offhand comment on SomethingAwful.com* Yeah, I just wish people would be more mature, you know? Oh you mad cuz I'm stylin on ya? e: the Jazz comment is so true. But it can go the other way when people like to only listen to obscure music no one has ever heard of. They tend to vote democrat.
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Angryhead posted:http://www.insound.com/My-Beautiful-Dark-Twisted-Fantasy-3xLP-Kanye-West/P/INS83181/ I really wish the vinyl cover was him loving the phoenix. Maybe there will be a Euro version. *hope*
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I've already professed my love for this album, but this mixing is just lousy. Listen to the chorus on All Of The Lights or most of Monster, it clips really really badly, making it sound like it's coming out of lovely speakers turned up way too loud even at a low volume on good equipment. I understand this is a pop/hip-hop album, and while I am a fan of subtle dynamic, this album demands to be loud, it would sound strange and out of placed if it were mastered like a Grizzly Bear record. However, a good engineer cannot allow clipping like this to happen, it's unprofessional, and given the dynamic of the mixing, unintentional. Fellow audiophile goons, is there any kind of e-mail campaign we could get together to get a more tasteful mix for the vinyl and it's attached download? I've already payed for this album once and totally intent to do so again, but it would be that much better knowing I was getting a more professional mix out of it, because this honestly sounds like someone just turned the master volume up 3 points and called it a master.
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That guitar riff in "Gorgeous" is nice. Too drat catchy.
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maxnmona posted:*writes a long melodramatic paragraph because of an offhand comment on SomethingAwful.com* Yeah, I just wish people would be more mature, you know? Heh check out this dude, he wrote 100 words about music, what a loser, trying to discuss albums on a music discussion forum.
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On Vlado Meller and mastering the Vinyl release: http://www.discogs.com/Kanye-West-My-Beautiful-Dark-Twisted-Fantasy/master/288153 It doesn't have him listed for mastering it. While that might be because it hasn't come out yet, I personally don't know. Odds are the Kanye might have done the same thing Rick Rubin does when picking: just listening to it. Here is an interview that Michael Fremer's Musicangle does with Rubin. Fremer is an idiot/dork when talking to him, but he gets a lot of good information out of him, so, the interview on the whole is good - at least from Rubin. http://www.musicangle.com/feat.php?id=38&rpage=1 Quoting so you don't have to read the whole thing. Page 3: quote:Michael Fremer: I don’t know. I have heard some excellent 48K/24 bit ADAT recordings. Basically, he picks what sells. Rubin doesn't necessarily seem to like it, and he seems to be looking for a solution to it, but he doesn't seem to be able to find one. I think a similar situation might be going on with Kanye there, not necessarily the idea of claustrophobia, but it is a good look at it.
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Why are you comparing Kanye with Rubin? Rubin has no technical skills at all; he doesn't know the first thing about the mechanical/technical aspects of making an album. Kanye knows how to do things.
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Also, I am constantly baffled why people seem to think the most important topic for discussion when any big-name new album comes out is its mixing and mastering. There are other aspects to the music. You can even have opinions on them.
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Music is extremely complicated especially considering most people aren't musicians, sound quality seems much less so.
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Role Play McMurphy posted:Just gonna stick this right about here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ct2z_kanye-west-hey-mama-live-grammy-200_music I think this is one of the best performances I've ever seen cause it's completely full of emotion. The change of words in the song is a nice touch. Didn't he break down and start crying performing this song some time ago?
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Periodiko posted:Music is extremely complicated especially considering most people aren't musicians, sound quality seems much less so. I am the opposite here, I don't really understand or give a poo poo about this mixing/mastering debate that's going on, I just like the music and feel comfortable talking about that aspect. But, you know, spergin and SA and all.
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kingcobweb posted:Also, I am constantly baffled why people seem to think the most important topic for discussion when any big-name new album comes out is its mixing and mastering. There are other aspects to the music. You can even have opinions on them. It just happens to be particularly awful on this album. The songs are great, but even a clean vocal part of the song clips to high hell, when the good friday tracks didn't.
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Ziir posted:I think this is one of the best performances I've ever seen cause it's completely full of emotion. The change of words in the song is a nice touch. Didn't he break down and start crying performing this song some time ago? I've seen him live twice here in Australia once a bit after 808s came out and the first time was only like a couple months after his mum had died and was before that Grammy performance iirc and both times he did that performance but goddamn the first time being so soon afterwards was really raw... He was definitely tearing up, missing words and the like... Brutal
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kingcobweb posted:Also, I am constantly baffled why people seem to think the most important topic for discussion when any big-name new album comes out is its mixing and mastering. There are other aspects to the music. You can even have opinions on them. In this case the mastering makes an otherwise good album sound bad to a lot of people. Hence, opinions.
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teacup posted:I've seen him live twice here in Australia once a bit after 808s came out and the first time was only like a couple months after his mum had died and was before that Grammy performance iirc and both times he did that performance but goddamn the first time being so soon afterwards was really raw... He was definitely tearing up, missing words and the like... Brutal A lot of this stems from the fact that he had to do all that touring and promotion right after this Mom died and he never got the proper chance to sit back and face the reality of it. If I remember correctly he described his performances after her death as "Losing an arm and leg and just trying to walk through it". Really sad stuff. e: on a related note, according to QTip another pressing of MBDTF is going to come out around Christmas that includes Chain Heavy and Mama's Boy as bonus tracks. The kicker is that Mama's Boy has two versions - one produced by QTip and one produced by Soulja Boy - and he doesn't know which one will be on the pressing. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Nov 24, 2010 |
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So just to solidify that Kanye is the weirdest person on this earth, you should read this snippet of him interviewing Rihanna for Interview. quote:Kanye: So what inspired you to have that pink tank on your last tour? That was amazing, when you were sitting on top of the army tank.
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quote:Kanye: But just to have that level of power. How do deal with it? No one woman should have that much power. It really takes someone like Kanye to reference their own single in a completely unrelated interview.
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SafetyDancer posted:So just to solidify that Kanye is the weirdest person on this earth, you should read this snippet of him interviewing Rihanna for Interview. This is awesome.
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kingcobweb posted:Also, I am constantly baffled why people seem to think the most important topic for discussion when any big-name new album comes out is its mixing and mastering. There are other aspects to the music. You can even have opinions on them. Honestly, the reason I care about the mastering is because the album is so good, it's honestly the only thing I have to complain about. - The music/beats are perfect. Everything works and, generally rare for a hip hop album, actually flow together cohesively and interestingly. - Kanye's verses and flow over the course of the entire record are so far above just about anything he's ever done before. (Prior to this, I always thought him a mediocre MC/awesome producer... He's apparently awesome at both now.) - Every guest verse seems to fit and I really can't think of a weak one on it. Great quality control on Kanye's part. - There's a cohesive narrative over the course of the record, making it work well when listened to as a whole just as well as when listening to the songs individually. I really think it's drat close to being perfect, and that makes the piss poor mastering stand out even more. That's why it's an obvious topic of conversation.
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What's the best way to guarantee I get a copy of the deluxe edition of the album without the censored Kanye+pheonix painting on both the album cover and disc art? I am willing to import it, yes I am that Goddamn silly with my money.
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