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I get the feeling that Reynardine is sort of the middle ground between Coyote's calculated chaos, and Yserngrim's excessively proud duty.
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So this means...ANNIE IS A HORCRUX!!!  But seriously, this is terrible.
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Fecha posted:The implications of this soul-stealing being hereditary are that Mr. Carver agreed to get her pregnant anyways, and Surma went through with it... why? Was there some particular need for Annie? Maybe she wanted to pass on her ability/soul like her mother. Pick posted:You know, Reynard is an absolute immature poo poo considering he's hundreds of years old. Temper, temper--you're worse than Ysengrin. Even Ysengrin showed more reserve when Annie uncovered a weak point. That was because Coyote showed it to her just for giggles, and she didn't gloat about it to him.
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Nov 29, 2010 23:38
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Soylentbits posted:So Reynardine initially tried to kill Annie because he was pissed that she killed Surma right? And he gave up on it because she reminded him too much of her mother? Seriously, the more I look back at that the more firmly I'm convinced that he wasn't actually trying to kill her, he was setting the whole thing up to make it look like he was dead. The first time he sees Annie he comments on the toy, he knows Eglamore is watching and can/will block him, and he loudly yells about how he's been foiled and how he's going to die as he quietly backs into a toy that no one knows he can possess. He basically acts like a super villain because that's what's expected of him, then quietly inserts himself somewhere where he can watch over and protect her. The whole "being her slave" bit was something he didn't predict.
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Benagain posted:Seriously, the more I look back at that the more firmly I'm convinced that he wasn't actually trying to kill her, he was setting the whole thing up to make it look like he was dead. The first time he sees Annie he comments on the toy, he knows Eglamore is watching and can/will block him, and he loudly yells about how he's been foiled and how he's going to die as he quietly backs into a toy that no one knows he can possess. We're sure he's not lying about the slave bit right? I mean pretending to be a slave is a total Renard the Fox (original folk tale version) thing to do.
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Sulevis posted:Maybe Surma was already dying before Annie was conceived. Or maybe she really, really wanted a child?
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Nov 30, 2010 01:39
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Benagain posted:Seriously, the more I look back at that the more firmly I'm convinced that he wasn't actually trying to kill her, he was setting the whole thing up to make it look like he was dead. The first time he sees Annie he comments on the toy, he knows Eglamore is watching and can/will block him, and he loudly yells about how he's been foiled and how he's going to die as he quietly backs into a toy that no one knows he can possess. Not only this, but Renard acts shocked whenever Annie mentions the attempt to kill her, and Coyote himself doesn't believe that was what was going on there. Renard probably put himself in there to watch over Annie out of respect for Surma, feeling he owed her that much since he couldn't save her.
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I dunno, maybe she is a reincarnation/pheonix rebirth deal going on or what have you, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Didn't Surma pass away when Anny was 11 or 12 or something? Like right before she came Gunnerkrigg. So my theory after reading the last strip, is that it was Antimony that was dying, and not her mother. Her mom was gradually growing weaker and weaker because she was transfering her own life to Anny to keep her going/cure her. Meanwhile, Anthony is working his rear end off to save Antimony. They told her Surma was dying and Anthony was trying to find the cure that would save her life so she wouldn't feel needlessly guilty, or worry for her life (and it would be true in a way.) If any of that's true it could also explain where Anny's dad has been. He never really had much faith in that etheric stuff, so he's continuing to find a cure for the mystery illness just in case. Or, worst case scenario, Surma gave her life as a stalling tactic to give Anthony more time to find the cure, cause she's still suffering from whatever. All of that is based on what little we know and is therefore all wrong.
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The key to figuring this out, I think, is figuring out why Surma's mother/Annie's grandmother being dead is relevant to the story like Tom said it was.blazelust posted:Reminder:
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Brannock posted:The key to figuring this out, I think, is figuring out why Surma's mother/Annie's grandmother being dead is relevant to the story like Tom said it was. Actually, Tom misread that question, it's not actually that important. Tom's Twitter posted:Oops, I misread that formspring question as "Is Surma still alive". It's not nearly as important as people think. http://twitter.com/gunnerkrigg
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brainwrinkle posted:Actually, Tom misread that question, it's not actually that important.  Well, then. So no phoenix bloodline then as the grandma isn't important to the story. Wonder what it could be then.
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greth posted:I get the feeling that Reynardine is sort of the middle ground between Coyote's calculated chaos, and Yserngrim's excessively proud duty. Yserngrim is superego, Reynardine is ego, Coyote is id.
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The 19th Person posted:Yserngrim is superego, Reynardine is ego, Coyote is id.
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Stupid Boob posted:So my theory after reading the last strip, is that it was Antimony that was dying, and not her mother. Her mom was gradually growing weaker and weaker because she was transfering her own life to Anny to keep her going/cure her. Meanwhile, Anthony is working his rear end off to save Antimony. They told her Surma was dying and Anthony was trying to find the cure that would save her life so she wouldn't feel needlessly guilty, or worry for her life (and it would be true in a way.) If that was true, then why hasn't Anthony contacted Annie? Why did he go so far as to leave the hospital where he was working and ensure that no one there could tell Annie where he was going? Add this to the fact that Anthony was always kind of distant with Annie and that Annie's only memory of her father is as a faceless figure, it seems a lot like Anthony just couldn't get over Annie's involvement in Surma's death and ran away. I'd expect this is certainly Rey's assessment, and it explains a lot of how Rey has been acting - it's mostly his attempt to prove he is better than Anthony.
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Yeah, Renard's whole "Even I would have been better than that man" seems to imply he thinks Anthony dropped Annie because she indirectly killed Surma, and he wouldn't have done the same thing. Whether this is actually why Anthony left Annie to her own devices is obviously unanswered, but Renard clearly thinks it is and I wouldn't doubt that Annie is going to jump to the same conclusion now that she knows the truth.
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Nov 30, 2010 09:53
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At this rate she's never going to get that homework done.
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Fangz posted:If that was true, then why hasn't Anthony contacted Annie? Why did he go so far as to leave the hospital where he was working and ensure that no one there could tell Annie where he was going? Add this to the fact that Anthony was always kind of distant with Annie and that Annie's only memory of her father is as a faceless figure, it seems a lot like Anthony just couldn't get over Annie's involvement in Surma's death and ran away. I'd expect this is certainly Rey's assessment, and it explains a lot of how Rey has been acting - it's mostly his attempt to prove he is better than Anthony. no. Anthony left because it's his own lover in his daughter's body. That would lead to alot of many confusing feelings and arkward situations. Imagine if you will, one night, after too many drinks, he stumbled in his daughter's room... Yeah, that's not going anywhere good at all. It make loads of sense why he's staying far away as possible in this point.
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Talas posted:If she really wanted a child and everyone around her knew she would die if that happened, maybe Anthony was the only one emotionally detached enough to do it. I think this might work. However, why would Surma have a child so young, then? Was there an urgency to this?
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Dammit Who? posted:At this rate she's never going to get that homework done. Nah it's cool, she's got Kat's homework to copy from 
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Dammit Who? posted:At this rate she's never going to get that homework done. "Assignment: Get a friend mad at you."
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Nov 30, 2010 15:44
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Nicolae Carpathia posted:"Assignment: Get a friend mad at you." "Grade: A+. Great work!"
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Fecha posted:You'd think that a manifestation of superego wouldn't be such an aggressive dick. Sounds like you should read up on Lacan. The superego is an obscene drive, constantly demanded the impossible of us and laughing at us when we fail. So it is appropriate that Yserngrim when in the course of fulfilling his duty to protect the forest has become a weak and wasted laughingstock.
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Luckyellow posted:no. Anthony left because it's his own lover in his daughter's body. That would lead to alot of many confusing feelings and arkward situations. Imagine if you will, one night, after too many drinks, he stumbled in his daughter's room... ...Why would you post this? Why? Eeargh.
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Soylentbits posted:...Why would you post this? Why? Eeargh. It's not even true. Antimony is not Surma in a child's body, and she's not a literal reincarnation of Surma - Annie was already into double-digits when Surma died; she does not have Surma's memories or personality any more than any child takes after a parent. We dont know exactly what happened but I can guarantee you it's not so literal as some people are making it out to be.
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Even though it was heartbreaking, I was a little glad to see Annie react the way she did and say all those cruel things to Reynardine. One thing I've been wanting to see is some flaws in Annie, since she seems like an almost infallible character most of the time. I think it added a lot of depth to her character, but it was still painful.
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Soylentbits posted:...Why would you post this? Why? Eeargh. Luckily for all of us, there's already been a movie with this exact premise.
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Man, it looks like Renard wishes he hadn't said that. I love the distorted frames here, too, they really work for this scene. Why does this comic not update faster I don't have the strength of will to wait and read it in few-week chunks 
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I'm strongly behind that phoenix theory now. It'd tie in so well with the language used and events that surround her.
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The art is really shining through now; the distorted panels are used really well. Annie is going to find someone - probably Kats mum - and tear the poo poo out of them. This will be interpreted by Kat as Annie Being A Butt, holiday trip never happens.
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Staggy posted:The art is really shining through now; the distorted panels are used really well. And Annie will be left at the Court all alone with Reynardine again. 
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Rincewind posted:And Annie will be left at the Court all alone with Reynardine again. or this is the summer that Annie spends in the forest with Coyote.
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Detetsu posted:or this is the summer that Annie spends in the forest with Coyote. This was about what I was guessing, personally.
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dumb brunette posted:This was about what I was guessing, personally. It makes a lot of sense. She was lied to about something incredibly important to her about the adults she trusts around her. The only one who hasn't lied to her is the god in the forest and so it makes sense for her to run to him to find the truth and break down for a few months.
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Detetsu posted:It makes a lot of sense. She was lied to about something incredibly important to her about the adults she trusts around her. The only one who hasn't lied to her is the god in the forest and so it makes sense for her to run to him to find the truth and break down for a few months. And don't forget, though I can't find the page it was on. Coyote never lies. He said as much himself (or maybe it was Jones who said it? I forget). He may speak in riddles or obfuscate when he wants to, but he never lies.
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I'm hoping she gets her screaming at Anja done with, has her breakdown, and Anja tells it like it was. Surma totally never seemed bummed out about what was happening. The chapter should have happy end, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she did run to Coyote. Dunno how accepting of Anja's words Annie will be, after all.
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I'm looking at Annie's blinker symbol now, and it does seem rather bird-like... Wings with an alchemical symbol in the center. The circle with a dot inside refers to the Sun and/or gold. Pretty good shot of it here: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=523 Not sure how relevant that is though, since Anja put up the same symbol when using Annie's stone. Tarezax fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Dec 1, 2010 |
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Oh my God, this is heartbreaking.
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Tarezax posted:I'm looking at Annie's blinker symbol now, and it does seem rather bird-like... Wings with an alchemical symbol in the center. The circle with a dot inside refers to the Sun and/or gold. That's the court's symbol. The alchemical symbol has been referred to by Jones (somewhere during the swordfighting, I think) as the symbol for bismuth, to serve as a reminder of the court's origin from etheric sciences. EDIT: Here's the page. No dot in the middle, but the winged symbol has been used as the court's seal elsewhere, I'm pretty sure. dumb brunette fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Dec 1, 2010 |
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