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katatonic
Mar 14, 2007

Dead Snoopy posted:

Thank you for this. Easily the most pretentious poo poo I have ever seen. And I sat through Under The Cherry Moon. Twice.

I may never take Kanye West seriously again.

"First rule in this world baby, don't pay attention to anything you see in the news"

*Cut to giant explosion*

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Brett824
Mar 30, 2009

I could let these dreamkillers kill my self esteem or use the arrogance as the steam to follow my dream


This is a little gossip news-y, but I find it funny that Kanye wears an arabic chain that roughly translates to his own name. I mean I thought he had converted or something at first..

Bonye West
Oct 22, 2010

by Ozma

Brett824 posted:



This is a little gossip news-y, but I find it funny that Kanye wears an arabic chain that roughly translates to his own name. I mean I thought he had converted or something at first..

My girlfriend says it says "Kan-yay," so do with that what you will.

The Modern Leper
Dec 25, 2008

You must be a masochist

HampHamp posted:

I'm not sure exactly why but the line about putting a pussy in a sarcophagus is the funniest thing I've ever heard in a song.

Album is great.

I think it's the Bugs Bunny-like "ehhhh" leading into the line and the hard "K" sounds in "sarcophagus." Hard "K" sounds = funny.

Bonye West
Oct 22, 2010

by Ozma

The Modern Leper posted:

I think it's the Bugs Bunny-like "ehhhh" leading into the line and the hard "K" sounds in "sarcophagus." Hard "K" sounds = funny.

I think it's simply just the choice of words. I remember my roommate burst out laughing on the first listen, it's just a funny thing to say. It all helps in the end though.

Baron Patsy
Apr 9, 2006

I'M SPECIAL DAMMIT

Dead Snoopy posted:

Thank you for this. Easily the most pretentious poo poo I have ever seen. And I sat through Under The Cherry Moon. Twice.

I may never take Kanye West seriously again.

taking kanye seriously at any point is where you went wrong

Malformed Dance Hut
Sep 7, 2010

The Modern Leper posted:

For those interested in the Nicki Minaj aspect of this whole process, there's a fairly decent article on theawl about Pink Friday:

http://www.theawl.com/2010/11/selling-herself-short-the-miscontexualization-of-nicki-minaj

It's sort of apologetic, but it seems to present Nicki Minaj as a martyr for the cause of female rappers. The author discusses female rappers who have quit (or never started) because they were pressured to compromise their vision, and then talks about how, by basically compromising her vision after raising expectations, Nicki Minaj has changed the game, because generally female rappers have never had high expectations to start with.

Female rappers are starting to create diss tracks against her, and so she's effectively creating a space for female rappers to interact, battle, and grow the way the boys do.

drat that idiot must have never heard of Roxanne Shante.

Related to your (previous poster I quoted) example of reading too much into the lyrics, I'm going to overanalyze the poo poo out of something I'm listening to right now to show you how loving easy it is to do, especially with rap:
On Vado's "Celebration", he says "I move chickens on the strip like Popeyes/Coke in the pot rise, diamond cuts clean with Barack's size".
He's referring to cocaine dealing. Did you notice that "pop" is a synonym for "coke"? That's some deep wordplay! And "pop eyes" could refer to him punching someone, like a boxer. drat, you'd have to listen deep to get that! Also, "chickens" could refer to bricks of cocaine. Buildings use bricks, and Popeyes is a building. Bet you didn't think of that!
That's how stupid you sound. That's ok though, I've done similar things in the past, and whenever someone goes through a rap song line by line, I often see this kid of poo poo.
The only "real" possible wordplay is, "chickens" could refer to prostitutes or packets of cocaine. It's quite possible that Vado did not intend that pun, though.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



I've never been a huge Kanye fan, but after hearing the album is good from pretty much everywhere I gave it a download from the Zune store. And...Yeah, it's pretty loving good.

BubbleGoose
Oct 15, 2007

There are so many amendments in the constitution of the United States of America--I can only choose one!
I bought my first ever Kanye West album just last night on iTunes. I've always liked West's music, but an album really has to move me to get me to buy it. Needless to say, this album moved me. I love how loud and booming it is, and then suddenly self-reflective, celebratory in one since while being simultaneously self-effacing and boastful in another. This album is gorgeous. I applaud West for being weird, experimental, and ballsy.

On a side note, I never really got on the hate for West's maniacal ego. It's wonderful theater even if West is being sincere. It's even better because he is so talented. Maybe the answer seems obvious to some people, but why do we insist that entertainers be humble?

NeuroticErotica
Sep 9, 2003

Perform sex? Uh uh, I don't think I'm up to a performance, but I'll rehearse with you...

BubbleGoose posted:

Maybe the answer seems obvious to some people, but why do we insist that entertainers be humble?

He's been asking this since CD - he did an interview which criticized him for listing The College Dropout as his best album of the year. He said something to the tune of - "We forgot what it means to be proud of something. Everybody demands that you work incredibly hard, do your best, and then act like you didn't invest your life into it. That's just wrong. I'm proud of the work I did on the album and to me it is the best album of the year." (Very horribly paraphrased)

SHINEBLOCKA
Oct 17, 2009

I've got it in for your girlf

BubbleGoose posted:

Maybe the answer seems obvious to some people, but why do we insist that entertainers be humble?

Uh, the answer is that musicians and entertainers produce...entertainment. Like, in a just world why would anybody get millions for doing this stuff? Some people save lives, some people teach children, some people make great party jams. kanye ego haters like myself see him as way too eager to be a media martyr (part of his MJ fetish). But while MJ was a weirdo who wanted to hide away and always had the press trying to see his secret life, Kanye is a blustery egotist who begs the media to be interested in him and then whines that he's being crucified all while pretty much being the entertainment industry's golden boy. Dude isn't a loving doctor, he's really good at Ableton and pop music.

SHINEBLOCKA fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Dec 1, 2010

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Bonye West posted:

I think it's simply just the choice of words. I remember my roommate burst out laughing on the first listen, it's just a funny thing to say. It all helps in the end though.

I keep laughing at lines in the album. I really do like like it but pay attention when in All of the Lights Kanye just starts naming random types of lights. FLASHLIGHTS SPOT LIGHTS STROBE LIGHTS OTHER TYPES OF LIGHTS.

The whole pussy in a sarcophagus part is hilarious though, also liked the timing on "My presence is a present kissmyass"

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE
That Complex article is something else. Living by the Kanye commandments for the rest of my life.

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

also liked the timing on "My presence is a present kissmyass"
Best line on the album, I was ambivalent about Kanye before and it convinced me he rules

Skeematic
Jan 18, 2003

Yikes.

SHINEBLOCKA posted:

Uh, the answer is that musicians and entertainers produce...entertainment. Like, in a just world why would anybody get millions for doing this stuff? Some people save lives, some people teach children, some people make great party jams. kanye ego haters like myself see him as way too eager to be a media martyr (part of his MJ fetish). But while MJ was a weirdo who wanted to hide away and always had the press trying to see his secret life, Kanye is a blustery egotist who begs the media to be interested in him and then whines that he's being crucified all while pretty much being the entertainment industry's golden boy. Dude isn't a loving doctor, he's really good at Ableton and pop music.

So your saying that entertainers must remain humble? Someone needs to be a doctor or a teacher to feel super proud of their work and flaunt it? I understand that Kanye rubs people the wrong way, and that perhaps a lot of times what he says in his outbursts are not the way to go about conveying his opinions, but saying someone has to be humble unless they offer something that benefits a "just world" society is kind of silly.

Brett824
Mar 30, 2009

I could let these dreamkillers kill my self esteem or use the arrogance as the steam to follow my dream

Haledjian posted:

That Complex article is something else. Living by the Kanye commandments for the rest of my life.

I just can't kick my hipster hat habit.

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE
I'm not even sure what a hipster hat is. Or is that the joke?

Brett824
Mar 30, 2009

I could let these dreamkillers kill my self esteem or use the arrogance as the steam to follow my dream

Haledjian posted:

I'm not even sure what a hipster hat is. Or is that the joke?



The first GIS result pretty much sums it up.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

I keep laughing at lines in the album. I really do like like it but pay attention when in All of the Lights Kanye just starts naming random types of lights. FLASHLIGHTS SPOT LIGHTS STROBE LIGHTS OTHER TYPES OF LIGHTS.
I thought that was a reference to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbUP-skb7E

Also, I made a new blog and the first post is a review of this album so if you like what I write for Garbage Day or even if you don't please click and read and stuff, thanks :)

SHINEBLOCKA
Oct 17, 2009

I've got it in for your girlf

Skeematic posted:

So your saying that entertainers must remain humble? Someone needs to be a doctor or a teacher to feel super proud of their work and flaunt it? I understand that Kanye rubs people the wrong way, and that perhaps a lot of times what he says in his outbursts are not the way to go about conveying his opinions, but saying someone has to be humble unless they offer something that benefits a "just world" society is kind of silly.

Dude read the quote I responded to. It's pretty simple.

Skeematic
Jan 18, 2003

Yikes.

SHINEBLOCKA posted:

Dude read the quote I responded to. It's pretty simple.

I did, the question posed was "why do we insist that entertainers be humble?" and you replied with "the answer is that musicians and entertainers produce...entertainment", like its some shamefull thing that doesnt give them the right to be proud.

I do see why people have a distaste for a lot of Kanye's antics, I do. He makes (what a lot of people feel is) great music and is clearly quite talented, and this shouldnt excuse him from the tirades that he has had.

You had brought up Teachers and Doctors, which doesnt really have bearing with "why do we insist that entertainers be humble?" I'd rather my future children have a humble teacher/doctor/other role modle with perhaps some tact to look up to, than a Kanye style teacher who may rant about how little Jimmy's essay was the greatest of all times, but it still doesnt answer why we insist that entertainers be humble.

Maybe im just misreading your reply though.

Evil Granny
Jul 4, 2003
Destroyer of worlds, baker of pies.
I'd never heard a Kanye album before, but had to grab this one based on the hype and crazy reviews I've seen.

I've given it a couple listens and I really just can't get into it. The production is undeniably top notch, and the lyrics are interesting but his rapping just sounds really monotonous and mediorcre at best.

It's not a terrible album but I'm really surprised by the critical reaction. It'll be interesting to see how time treats it.

press for porn
Jan 6, 2008

by Pipski
Kanye West is a huge rear end in a top hat because he knows that in the age of twitter and social networking it's the most effective way of promoting yourself. Being a hashtag in this day and age is more valuable financially than being a respectable person.

Malformed Dance Hut
Sep 7, 2010

REY DE LA PLAYA posted:

Kanye West is a huge rear end in a top hat because he knows that in the age of twitter and social networking it's the most effective way of promoting yourself. Being a hashtag in this day and age is more valuable financially than being a respectable person.

Yeah, that certainly is unique to this day and age, never been the case before, etc.

BubbleGoose
Oct 15, 2007

There are so many amendments in the constitution of the United States of America--I can only choose one!

Skeematic posted:

Maybe im just misreading your reply though.

I don't think so, because that's what I got from it.

But, really, so what? It's precisely because he's an entertainer in an age where the public insists that famous performers feel guilty about their salaries that I rather enjoy West's publicized histrionics. But I guess I'm in the minority.

BubbleGoose
Oct 15, 2007

There are so many amendments in the constitution of the United States of America--I can only choose one!

Evil Granny posted:

I've given it a couple listens and I really just can't get into it. The production is undeniably top notch, and the lyrics are interesting but his rapping just sounds really monotonous and mediorcre at best.

Yeah, West has never struck me as a genius rapper. There are certainly better ones out there, and even on this album, but I think his strengths lies in his musical vision. That's what I focus on in this album.

Parade Maker
Aug 13, 2010
Gorgeous has slowly grown on me. And I even find myself humming Fergie's horrible line in All of the Lights.
Kinda disappointed that Never See Me Again isn't on the album though.

Parade Maker fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Dec 2, 2010

Jam2
Jan 15, 2008

With Energy For Mayhem

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

I keep laughing at lines in the album. I really do like like it but pay attention when in All of the Lights Kanye just starts naming random types of lights. FLASHLIGHTS SPOT LIGHTS STROBE LIGHTS OTHER TYPES OF LIGHTS.

The whole pussy in a sarcophagus part is hilarious though, also liked the timing on "My presence is a present kissmyass"
I always replace the words in my mind.

BLACK TIGHTS WHITE TIGHTS RED TIGHTS ... ALL OF THE TIGHTS

BAR FIGHTS KNIFE FIGHTS GUN FIGHTS ... ALL OF THE FITES

BROWN RICE WHITE RICE FRIED RICE ... ALL OF THE RICE

Haledjian posted:

That Complex article is something else. Living by the Kanye commandments for the rest of my life.

Can someone post the pic of the studio rules?

Jam2 fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Dec 2, 2010

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Wow can't believe this got snubbed. Grammy's are a joke.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

KidDynamite posted:

Wow can't believe this got snubbed. Grammy's are a joke.
His album is up for the 2012 Grammys.

kingcobweb fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Dec 2, 2010

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
Does it matter anyway? The grammy's are the biggest joke. They don't mean anything.

A FORUM MEMBER
Oct 29, 2009

PonchAxis posted:

Does it matter anyway? The grammy's are the biggest joke. They don't mean anything.

Especially not to Kanye, he's never paid much attention to awards shows.

Bonye West
Oct 22, 2010

by Ozma

Jam2 posted:

I always replace the words in my mind.


That made ma laugh, awesome.

A FORUM MEMBER posted:


Especially not to Kanye, he's never paid much attention to awards shows.


It's sure to be fun. :monar:

Superchunk
Dec 27, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post

KidDynamite posted:

Wow can't believe this got snubbed. Grammy's are a joke.

He released it too late in the year. There is literally no way this won't be nominated next year, but I wonder if that will hurt his chances, since the hype will have died down by then.

I couldn't give half a poo poo about the Grammy's, especially one where Eminem's soulless, ball-less, effortless piece of steaming poo poo album can be taken seriously and nominated for any sort of critical acclaim.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ah didn't realize the grammy's had a release cut-off or didn't get advanced copies.

I really can't stop listening to Lost In the World. This song is loving amazing I'm not even sure if I'm getting the message right but I definitely feel something when I listen to it.

BubbleGoose
Oct 15, 2007

There are so many amendments in the constitution of the United States of America--I can only choose one!

KidDynamite posted:

Ah didn't realize the grammy's had a release cut-off or didn't get advanced copies.

I really can't stop listening to Lost In the World. This song is loving amazing I'm not even sure if I'm getting the message right but I definitely feel something when I listen to it.

You too? There is something deeply human and bittersweet about it. I can't get over it.

Thrust On Moore
Jul 13, 2010

She keeps coming closer,
Saying "I can feel it in my bones.
Schizophrenia,
Is taking me home."

Superchunk posted:

He released it too late in the year. There is literally no way this won't be nominated next year, but I wonder if that will hurt his chances, since the hype will have died down by then.

I couldn't give half a poo poo about the Grammy's, especially one where Eminem's soulless, ball-less, effortless piece of steaming poo poo album can be taken seriously and nominated for any sort of critical acclaim.

Honestly, I'm more appalled that Katy Perry's second album was nominated, considering the middling reviews it received (I think Recovery fared better, despite Pitchfork's scathing review). I guess we know who's not winning this one.

Jam2
Jan 15, 2008

With Energy For Mayhem
Ye said there are no similies on this album, no hashtag rap. He didn't stop Rae from saying "live as a red jag" though.

SHINEBLOCKA
Oct 17, 2009

I've got it in for your girlf
no i was responding to the idea that "we," which I took to mean "we as a culture" ask entertainers to be humble. I gave the reasoning behind why we ask entertainers to, say, be more humble than Kanye west, although I don't think we actually ask much of our entertainers and give them a whole lot. I don't hold that against Kanye though, just his imaginary martyr complex that gets real loving old.

Also, the best line/delivery on the album is, "How 'ye doin? I'm surviving." He sounds like a Seinfeld monologue there.

Skeematic
Jan 18, 2003

Yikes.

Parade Maker posted:

Gorgeous has slowly grown on me.

This is probably my favorate song. Im a sucker for subtle changes to beat structures, and while its much more that subtle, I absolutely love the changes that take place going in to Rae's verse. Outstanding.

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Jan 15, 2008

by angerbeet
I like Rae's verse, but you can tell its the one that he wouldn't/couldn't coach him or make him redo it a million times. Cause, well, its the chef.

Also I liked Eminem's album and I think it deserves the grammy at least.

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