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There's a massive dearth of an hour sink in the mid-game, where you are literally running all over the place revisiting places for the plot. It's easily the low point of the game and probably where the majority of your hours went. I just checked mine and it's only at 56 hours. 90 sounds pretty obscenely high!
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I think it took me like 75-80 compared to 50 for Vesperia. It is a pretty long game.
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well I did spend a while farming Copper Ore/Naevimetal at the search point outside the Desert Oasis so I could get that 750 power sword from Din's shop, so that probably constitutes some of it, but goddamn there is so much back and forth in this game. EDIT: I also definitely left it paused for long periods at a time haha so it's probably closer to 80 hours if you take that time away Blackbelt Bobman fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Dec 2, 2010 |
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I was almost done watching the Tipping 40s LP of Symphonia, but unfortunately the thread got closed and archived. I must say that game has the most convoluted plot I have ever seen. I know this is the appreciation thread but the game had some of the worst story telling I've seen from a jrpg, every character just explains the plot and finds some way to throw in the word mana and tree. Are the other games this dry with storytelling? I must know!
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Abyss is particularly in-depth with the technobabble. I think by the time I got about halfway through I barely understood what I was doing or why. I still like the storyline a bit more than Vesperia's though.
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Sourdough Sam posted:I was almost done watching the Tipping 40s LP of Symphonia, but unfortunately the thread got closed and archived. I must say that game has the most convoluted plot I have ever seen. I know this is the appreciation thread but the game had some of the worst story telling I've seen from a jrpg, every character just explains the plot and finds some way to throw in the word mana and tree. Are the other games this dry with storytelling? I must know! Symphonia definitely takes it to a bit of an extreme. Abyss is kind of saved in this vein by the fact Jade is usually the dude who explains most of the worldly stuff, and Jade kicks so much rear end (Koyasu as the Seiyu that is) that it's no problem at all. Also fotons and such are so analogous to like, basic physics that it kind of makes sense on its own without listening constantly to the technobabble (although the underground lifestream or whatever the hell it was could get  at times).Vesperia's plot on the other hand, is pretty hacked together at times - not nearly as bad as Symphonia but it sometimes teeters in that direction. The characters (Yuri and Raven mostly) save it to a certain extent. It really falls flat on the villian side though. Having recently played Arc Rise Fantasia, you could definitely see a lot of Symphonia-esque influences in that game with the Dragon races and other facets.
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Sourdough Sam posted:I was almost done watching the Tipping 40s LP of Symphonia, but unfortunately the thread got closed and archived. I must say that game has the most convoluted plot I have ever seen. I know this is the appreciation thread but the game had some of the worst story telling I've seen from a jrpg, every character just explains the plot and finds some way to throw in the word mana and tree. Are the other games this dry with storytelling? I must know! To be fair most JRPGs aren't exactly ground breaking when it comes to the story. Most of us play these games for the combat system. However, to answer your question I did enjoy how Abyss and Vesperia's stories were laid out. They aren't nearly as bad as Destiny, Eternia, Symphonia or Legendia.
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yeah I barely remember Vesperia's plot beyond who the end boss was and parts of the beginning. But the characters were so awesome, they're what stuck out. Abyss is kinda weak on characters (there's only 6 wtf) except for Jade who is amazing. Fonons are ok I guess but I still couldn't tell you what each number is, not even what the 7th is, or what a 7th Fonist is. This game is way too wacky with that stuff. I like Symphonia's plot a lot, even if it's super generic jrpg and parts of it are fetch questy. (though not as fetch questy as Abyss) But it had charm, I liked the dumb reveals about Tethe'alla and Sylvarant and all the dumb poo poo about the religion actually being evil and having to kill god and all that. Of course if we are gonna talk about bad characters/plot devices, Phantasia takes the cake with Chester coming back into your party 9/10 of the way through the game and only being able to shoot arrows. He was so horribly useless and I have no idea why they brought him back into your party. EDIT: I still find it profoundly weird that your healing items are gummis. I'm gonna eat this gummi bear and restore my health yum! Blackbelt Bobman fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Dec 2, 2010 |
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Dec 2, 2010 04:22
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Of course if we are gonna talk about bad characters/plot devices, Phantasia takes the cake with Chester coming back into your party 9/10 of the way through the game and only being able to shoot arrows. He was so horribly useless and I have no idea why they brought him back into your party. Because he was your best friend and the most badass character of the entire game  I remember spending hours upon hours leveling him back up once I got him back. Sorry Karth, your bitch rear end is riding the pine.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I like Symphonia's plot a lot, even if it's super generic jrpg and parts of it are fetch questy. (though not as fetch questy as Abyss) But it had charm, I liked the dumb reveals about Tethe'alla and Sylvarant and all the dumb poo poo about the religion actually being evil and having to kill god and all that. So did I  Also Chester is cool, he's such a nice brother 
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Phantasia has been redone so many times now, I think it's only in the very original that Chester comes super late. He's much earlier in the remakes, if memory serves correctly. The last I played was the PSX version, which had more characters too (I hope I'm not misremembering here, it's really been a long time).Blackbelt Bobman posted:yeah I barely remember Vesperia's plot beyond who the end boss was and parts of the beginning. But the characters were so awesome, they're what stuck out. Abyss is kinda weak on characters (there's only 6 wtf) except for Jade who is amazing. Fonons are ok I guess but I still couldn't tell you what each number is, not even what the 7th is, or what a 7th Fonist is. This game is way too wacky with that stuff. I still like Tear, Guy, Luke, and Jade a lot. Anise could be a handful but funny at times. Natalie on the other hand ...  Click here for the full 1295x972 image. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Dec 2, 2010 |
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Abyss having six characters I feel is a blessing since Symphonia's last two characters (Regal and Presea) never got quite as much development as everyone else.
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I have only ever played all the way through the original ported verion of Tales of Phantasia. I was really confused when I watched the anime and Klarth didn't look like a grumpy old guy. Thats him second from last. Was this just a screw up from the ported version or is that what he originally looked like?
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ToS's plot is kind of info dumpy, features a lot of unnecessary techno babble, and has really dumb twists. On the other hand, Zelos is an awesome character.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Thats him second from last. Was this just a screw up from the ported version or is that what he originally looked like? Years later when the remake came out, Kosuke Fujishima did a total overhaul on most of the characters (touch-ups here and there mostly) but a new Klarth was born for use in the PS1 remake and all future remakes I believe (dunno about Nakiri, haven't looked - they do tend to touch these up every version I've noticed. I think Arche loses her pink hair at some point, the PSP version?) since older party mates really weren't part of the archetype anymore. Original Klarth:   Newer Klarth (and other characters)  Click here for the full 641x478 image.  Click here for the full 956x541 image. I personally preferred old Klarth myself as well, especially with respect to the final scene at the town before the final dungeon. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 2, 2010 |
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Rascyc posted:I personally preferred old Klarth myself as well, especially with respect to the final scene at the town before the final dungeon. I donno, Klarth is supposed to be 29 and I think newer is closer to that than older (although it's hard to make out the older one).
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Endorph posted:ToS's plot is kind of info dumpy, features a lot of unnecessary techno babble, and has really dumb twists. I dunno, man, the iced coffee twist was riveting.
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WingsOfSteel posted:I dunno, man, the iced coffee twist was riveting. isn't this coffee so hot? actually, that's iced coffee!!!!! I dunno I really love Scott Menville who does the voice of Lloyd, actually I really liked all the Symphonia cast. I think it had the best cast of them all, with Vesperia as a close second. I mean, Crispin Freeman, Jennifer Hale, Scott Menville, Tara Strong, and motherfucking Cam Clarke all in one game? That's part of the reason why Dawn of the New World is such a piece of poo poo, it was non-union so they couldn't get any of the awesome people from the original in it  also I just did a 55 and 63 hit combo in the same battle in Abyss  this is why I love Tales gamesEDIT: is Nebilim in Abyss super hard? I am thinking about fighting her but I'm not gonna do it if she's just gonna rape my face. My characters are all around 65, if that helps. Blackbelt Bobman fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 3, 2010 |
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:EDIT: is Nebilim in Abyss super hard? I am thinking about fighting her but I'm not gonna do it if she's just gonna rape my face. My characters are all around 65, if that helps. I hope you enjoy eating constant Mystic Arts!
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Eddain posted:I hope you enjoy eating constant Mystic Arts! the enemies in this game cheat and use mystic artes when they aren't overlimit, and sometimes go into overlimit again while they're already in overlimit. It makes no sense! Also I am mad that characters have second Mystic Artes, but only on subsequent playthroughs. That's fuckin bullshit 
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:the enemies in this game cheat and use mystic artes when they aren't overlimit, and sometimes go into overlimit again while they're already in overlimit. It makes no sense! Honestly, those secondary mystic artes are riddled with so many stupid conditions that most of them won't ever be used in a real fight.
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yep no way in hell I am beating her, guess that can wait until another playthrough if that ever happens! Just gonna beat this game and be done with it.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:yep no way in hell I am beating her, guess that can wait until another playthrough if that ever happens! Just gonna beat this game and be done with it. You can steal the best core from her. +4 to all stats.
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Eddain posted:You can steal the best core from her. +4 to all stats. This alone is worth trying to fight her. I beat her on Hard on my first playthrough, but I had a second player. Someone posted a good strategy for beating her that involved controlling Tear, but I forget the specifics.
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I know you can steal the best core, but even with Item Rover, Raging Blast still takes forever to steal anything. I should probably have put both Tear and Natalia in my party and just whacked at her while Jade cast spells, but eh. If I feel like booting up this save at a later time and grinding a few levels to make it easier, I will. For now I just want to get this game over with!
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:yep no way in hell I am beating her, guess that can wait until another playthrough if that ever happens! Just gonna beat this game and be done with it. It was hard but not too crazy.
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Found it!SpazmasterX posted:I beat [Nebilim] my first time through at about 61 using Luke, Tear, Jade, and Guy just by running around as Tear and doing nothing but Resurrection. All her favorite spells beside Ground Dasher have a long enough window that you can get a cast in as long as Tear has her skills that speed up cast times and Rhythm. The Faerie Ring from the exhibition match helps too. And if she uses Blessed Drops in the right spot you can turn Resurrection into Revitalize and get more for your money. If you're feeling dangerous and have a Sunlight Chamber, you could Invoke Aqua and do it yourself.
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wait to get a FoF change for a spell does the target or the caster have to be in the FoF, or can it just be somewhere on the field? I swear spells have gotten FoF when neither of them were actually in the FoF. Also I wish the anime sequences had subtitles because I can't hear what they're saying!
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:wait to get a FoF change for a spell does the target or the caster have to be in the FoF Either of these. If the caster is in the FoF, they'll absorb it and cast the FoF change. If the target is in the FoF, it'll change on casting if the target is still in the FoF circle, but not if they move out of it.
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Tales of Graces F is out now. People are reporting that Richard can use Shooting Stars (Was a unison attack in Symphonia), and some of the costume DLC changes the battle tracks. Not that more than 1 or 2 of us would be able to confirm If you all happen to own a PSGroove or something similar (NOT a PSJailbreak), there's an translation patch for the demo released at https://www.talesofgraces.com vv my mistake, thanks for catching that. My Crab is Fight fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 3, 2010 |
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BurningCourage posted:If you all happen to own a PSJailbreak, there's an translation patch for the demo released at https://www.talesofgraces.com This is the only reason for PSJailbreak to exist as far as I'm concerned, if I could have used my PSN account with it just to play Graces F I would go out and find one gently caress you Namco.
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BurningCourage posted:If you all happen to own a PSJailbreak, there's an translation patch for the demo released at https://www.talesofgraces.com Tempus posted:This supports most jailbreak methods such as PSGroove, but not the default PL3, nor the official PSJailbreak device dongle. Uh... you didn't read the entire post. Still though, going to buy one today.
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I just booted up Symphonia 2 again because I'm on kind of a Tales kick (and wdarkk's testpost in the LP sandcastle rekindled my interest) and I seriously can't believe Emil and Guy have the same voice actor who was also the second Black Ranger. (and later, the Green ranger) It's so weird.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I just booted up Symphonia 2 again because I'm on kind of a Tales kick (and wdarkk's testpost in the LP sandcastle rekindled my interest) and I seriously can't believe Emil and Guy have the same voice actor who was also the second Black Ranger. (and later, the Green ranger) It's so weird. You must not play many games. Dude's everywhere.
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Momomo posted:You must not play many games. Dude's everywhere. So's Marta's voice actress.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I know you can steal the best core, but even with Item Rover, Raging Blast still takes forever to steal anything. I should probably have put both Tear and Natalia in my party and just whacked at her while Jade cast spells, but eh. If I feel like booting up this save at a later time and grinding a few levels to make it easier, I will. For now I just want to get this game over with! That's why you should use Guy's Final Cross arte to steal. Never use Raging Blast. It is awful.
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McTimmy posted:That's why you should use Guy's Final Cross arte to steal. Never use Raging Blast. It is awful. Void Tempest is also a good move to use to steal as well, but it's better to have a yellow FS Chamber on it for easy Dragon Tempests after using Severing Wind.
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Here is a ToGF video of the new hi-ougis/mystic artes for the PS3 version. Kamen Rider fans might want to skip to about a minute in.
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Some Numbers posted:Found it! Ha! I was hoping someone would remember my airtight Nebilim strategy. EDIT: More info: SpazmasterX posted:Take Luke, Guy, Jade, and Tear. Map Resurrection to your favorite button because you're gonna abuse the gently caress out of it. Run around as Tear and leave everything to Jade because he's gonna be the only one that does good damage. Luke and Guy are just there to steal her attention away from Jade so he can cast. Don't forget to abuse the water FoF she'll leave behind from Blessed Drops to get a AoE full revive if at all possible. (Stand in it and cast) Also make sure you have Charge with a maxed Cobalt chamber. Free MP in a pinch. It's airtight, if time consuming. Took me three hours to beat her on Very Hard. SpazmasterX fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 4, 2010 |
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