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quote:Well, no, Anthony actually did that in the end. No, it was on Surma's final wishes. The author's word on it is that Anthony didn't have an opinion on it. Also, child abandonment is borderline illegal in the UK, http://www.lawandparents.co.uk/child-abandonment.html. Fangz fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Dec 2, 2010 |
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Which people said he was a prick that aren't in love with Surma? Because actual number of people calling him a prick so far as I can recall [And I admit I could be leaving some people out, so literally tell me if there was someone else. Comic has been going for awhile, things get forgotten] is 'two'. Her ex, and the crazy fox spirit that murdered a guy to get close to her. These are not unbiased reporters. I'm not even saying they are wrong, I'm just saying there are exactly two negative reports of his character, and they are both people that are [Not even were, still are] ridiculously, stupid in love with his wife. And there was Jones, but she was actively trying to get Annie mad so who knows how true that was? Also against him though is the fact he's not here, and we know that for the first two or so years of her time at the school he won't send word. Fair enough on that one. Beyond that though, we know nothing about him. We have one photo of him. We know more about characters in the past involved in getting Jeanne killed than we do him. Even as we get to a well grown Surma in the flashbacks, she is still going out with Eglamore. So far as we know, coming up on Renard going on his little foray into body stealing she's still seeing Eglamore. What happens between then, and deciding to leave and have a child with a character we've never been properly introduced to, is just a vast blank spot waiting to be filled. quote:No, it was on Surma's final wishes. The author's word on it is that Anthony didn't have an opinion on it. Yeah, but he did it. As in set it in motion and made it happen. Why, like many things, is just there. Disinterest in her fate, relief at having someone else deal with it, who knows. Why have a child you know would kill your wife? Why marry her at all? We know absolutely nothing about him, his relationship with Surma, or his relationship with his daughter before this. Making judgments about him seems to be jumping the gun slightly. Granted at best the picture seems to shaping up to be "Emotionally disconnected, not very good father". Or maybe he's just kind of sensitive and got wrecked by his wife dying. Or maybe he's sort of a monster. You can pretty much insert anything you want for his personality and motivation, because we know nothing about him.
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Dec 2, 2010 21:11
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Detetsu posted:Except when he's making unwarranted claims to your person! The cad! Boxbot has done nothing worthwhile since he was built.
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Dec 2, 2010 22:30
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I'm surprised that so many people are already biased against Anthony. We hardly know anything about him, except a few second-hand opinions. There are plenty of potential ways to redeem his behavior. Until his side of the story is told, we don't know the hardships he has faced. Off the top of my head: -Surma could have conned him into having Annie so the Court would have a new seer, and now he's totally alienated. -Maybe he's out scouring the wilderness looking for medicine to make sure Annie doesn't suffer the same fate as her mother. -Heck, maybe he's been kidnapped by the Court so they can manipulate Annie without his interference. -What if Annie also absorbs his "fire" and he had to cut off contact until he could solve the problem. He may not be a nice guy, but it may be presumptuous to believe he's a total rear end.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:11
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I don't really think we need to look at motivations or second hand opinions to decide a character who ditches his 12 year old daughter without any warning in the aftermath of her mother's death is a total rear end. Say he's got the best excuse in the god drat world. He could at least have given her a heads up so that she wouldn't be trying to contact him through his former place of employment or childhood friends.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:21
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Wong Dongson posted:Which people said he was a prick that aren't in love with Surma? Because actual number of people calling him a prick so far as I can recall [And I admit I could be leaving some people out, so literally tell me if there was someone else. Comic has been going for awhile, things get forgotten] is 'two'. Her ex, and the crazy fox spirit that murdered a guy to get close to her. Jones has said it at the very least, even if it was to try and piss Annie off so she could "assess her character." Coyote was startled when Annie was said to be Anthony's daughter, which isn't an outright critique but sure implies a few things. Kat also seems unhappy with the situation but has too much tact to say anything about it ("You haven't heard from him?" "No, nothing." "... Well, I'm not leaving you here alone again.") The thing is yeah there are plenty of possible explanations for why Anthony isn't there but we don't know what they are and the characters don't know what they are. How are the characters supposed to shrug this off and react to something that they don't and can't know? People do this in real life all the time, and not just people in love with someone who's already taken. I mean obviously there are plenty of reasons Anthony could justifiably be gone, but people don't care about that poo poo in real life, either. Deadbeat dads with good reasons for being away (has a second job, job relocated him, is on a business trip to somewhere else, etc.) are still rampantly criticized as deadbeat dads regardless of why they're gone.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:21
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Fecha posted:That was a misunderstanding! This implies that boxbot being built was worthwhile.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:25
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If this were real life, it would be pretty fair to assume Anthony is a dickhead. But this is a story, and a good one. I doubt after all the buildup, he's going to come back and say "oh, sorry I didn't call, I didn't feel like it because I'm a giant dick." He's almost guaranteed to have a really good reason for not being there, we just don't know what it is yet.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:26
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DocFrance posted:This implies that boxbot being built was worthwhile. Have you ever seen Robox and Boxbot in the same room at the same time?
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Dec 3, 2010 00:34
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My guess is that they didn't tell Annie where her father was because they didn't want her running off to find and/or help him only to get eaten by a dragon or something.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:35
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I like the idea they literally just can not find him. Because if the Court is actively hiding his location, it turns them from "Generally well meaning with a dark history" to "total monsters".
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Dec 3, 2010 00:43
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I don't think Gunnerkrigg Court is a 'total monsters' sort of comic.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:45
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I don't know, the entire bit with Jeanne is pretty dark.
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Dec 3, 2010 00:47
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I concur. From the start of the story, I have not trusted the Court. The fates of Jeanne and her lover, as well as the complicity of the Court in their deaths, implies something is wrong with the Court. I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony's absence is because the Court doesn't want him around Annie when she is young and impressionable. They may not want anyone interfering in the creation of a new seer, especially a father who doesn't fully respect the Court. For all we know, he's trying to rescue her and the Court is too powerful for him to get to her. Or maybe he's a real deadbeat and at Annie's two year mark, we'll find out.
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Dec 3, 2010 01:13
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Have we learned what Antimony's relationship with Anthony was like before she arrived at the Court? She must have some emotional connection other than "he is her dad and he exists" given that she takes offense at people badmouthing him, and she does kind of take on after his personality from what little we saw of him in that flashback chapter.
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Dec 3, 2010 01:28
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I dearly hope the next comic is some wordless annie running down a hallway. Goddamn cliffhangers.
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Dec 3, 2010 02:28
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Ka0 posted:I dearly hope the next comic is some wordless annie running down a hallway. Goddamn cliffhangers. Where are you going, Annie??
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Dec 3, 2010 09:03
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Fecha posted:Hahahaha. It's either a long way down or a goofy grin next.
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Dec 3, 2010 09:04
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Time to go ask Coyote what he knows, I guess. Jesus, the warped buildings. I love the art style of this entire part of the story.
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Dec 3, 2010 09:18
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Well, drat. I was hoping she's beeline for Anja. Going to Coyote seems a bit... odd. I guess she wants to get the perspective of someone outside of the Court, though. Now she just has to get across the long, nightmare bridge and she'll be fine! 
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Dec 3, 2010 09:24
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This may be a terrible idea. The other time she went to the forest, she had permission.
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Dec 3, 2010 09:47
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ChibiSoma posted:Well, drat. I was hoping she's beeline for Anja. Going to Coyote seems a bit... odd. I guess she wants to get the perspective of someone outside of the Court, though. I don't think she's thinking that clearly. She just wants to get away.
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Dec 3, 2010 10:51
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Bobulus posted:This may be a terrible idea. The other time she went to the forest, she had permission. Coyote gave her an open invitation. Even so, going to the forest without sending a sky signal and being escorted by someone is probably bad protocol.
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Dec 3, 2010 11:24
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Dammit Who? posted:At this rate she's never going to get that homework done. I don't think it's ever getting turned in now.
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Dec 3, 2010 15:52
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Maybe its just me but I think that possibly an emotionally damaged young girl going to meet Coyote is not a good idea
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Dec 3, 2010 16:48
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Elftor posted:Coyote gave her an open invitation. Even so, going to the forest without sending a sky signal and being escorted by someone is probably bad protocol. That's probably the Court and Ysengrin being dicks to each other. Pretty sure Coyote won't care at all how Abalone came to be in the forest, just that she's there to amuse him more.
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Dec 3, 2010 17:19
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dog kisser posted:Maybe its just me but I think that possibly an emotionally damaged young girl going to meet Coyote is not a good idea Has this Chekov's Gun been fired yet? Feels like it provides a more-or-less auto out for any hairy situation.
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Dec 3, 2010 17:34
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Boxman posted:Has this Chekov's Gun been fired yet? Feels like it provides a more-or-less auto out for any hairy situation. She wouldn't want to use it now, he was in on the secret too. It might come up as a last resort if she runs into trouble.
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Dec 3, 2010 18:01
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Geekner posted:She wouldn't want to use it now, he was in on the secret too. It might come up as a last resort if she runs into trouble. Not to turn it into a power-level debate, but what the hell is Eglamore gonna do against Coyote? I should hope that if the forest has someone strong like Coyote, the Court would, too. Fingers crossed: Dr. Disaster? Not saying Coyote is going to be a source of danger for Annie, but the device was given to her before her first permitted outing.
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Dodgeball posted:Not to turn it into a power-level debate, but what the hell is Eglamore gonna do against Coyote? I should hope that if the forest has someone strong like Coyote, the Court would, too. Fingers crossed: Dr. Disaster? Coyote isn't going to harm Annie, but there's no guarantee that there aren't other creatures in the forest who might. Those creatures, however, Eglamore might be able to deal with. edit: also, whoever created the tic toks is probably the closest thing to the Court's equivalent to Coyote, even if the Court doesn't know who that might be. Soldier of Fortran fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Dec 3, 2010 |
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Dec 3, 2010 18:19
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nukethewhales posted:Coyote isn't going to harm Annie, but there's no guarantee that there aren't other creatures in the forest who might. Those creatures, however, Eglamore might be able to deal with. I get the feeling we might be seeing Jeanne again. Only this time Annie will also be at the same level of suffering as Jeanne. Betrayal by the court and all.
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Dec 3, 2010 18:25
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Boxman posted:Has this Chekov's Gun been fired yet? Feels like it provides a more-or-less auto out for any hairy situation. I don't think it's an auto-out. Building off what Dodgeball said, I'm sure Eglamore, Jones, et al, would do what they could to rescue Annie from any bad situation, but it wouldn't be an easy pass back to safety. And like Geekner said, it'll probably take a lot for Annie to want to use it now. Speaking of Jones, though, I was thinking about how little we know of her background. Was she around when Surma was at the Court? Does she know anything of the current situation, or is it a conspiracy of sorts between the Donlans and Eglamore (and who else?)?
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Dec 3, 2010 18:26
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McGravin posted:Speaking of Jones, though, I was thinking about how little we know of her background. Was she around when Surma was at the Court? Does she know anything of the current situation, or is it a conspiracy of sorts between the Donlans and Eglamore (and who else?)? Jones was around. http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=540
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Dec 3, 2010 18:29
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I'm really digging how the environments are all twisted and warped. It adds a nice bit of visual impact. Also hello this comic's great MWF is not enough updates 
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Dec 3, 2010 18:46
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nukethewhales posted:edit: also, whoever created the tic toks is probably the closest thing to the Court's equivalent to Coyote, even if the Court doesn't know who that might be. I had assumed that was Diego.
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Guava posted:I had assumed that was Diego. No, the robots said something about it here in the chapter with Jeanne's backstory. The tic-tocs have been around longer than the court itself, as far as anyone can figure, and definitely weren't made by Diego.
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Dec 3, 2010 22:24
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Boxman posted:Has this Chekov's Gun been fired yet? Feels like it provides a more-or-less auto out for any hairy situation. I hate that you made me look that up on tvtropes.
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Dec 3, 2010 23:14
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Dodgeball posted:Jones was around. Not in that comic, she's not.
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Dec 3, 2010 23:17
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Ka0 posted:I hate that you made me look that up on tvtropes.  How do you know what TV Tropes is but not know what Chekhov's Gun is? That's one of the most famous tropes and was named long long before that site was created.
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I've never been big on watching tv to be honest so it's my fault.
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