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Ka0 posted:I've never been big on watching tv to be honest so it's my fault. The phrase Chekov's Gun has been around longer than television has, so I'm afraid that's no excuse either.
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Goon-down fellas, I said I was sorry. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Penguissimo posted:Not in that comic, she's not. The point of the link was to show she (or some other girl named Jones) and Surma knew each other. \/\/\/No hostility intended 
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Dec 4, 2010 00:39
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Dodgeball posted:The point of the link was to show she (or some other girl named Jones) and Surma knew each other. I think that post had an implied at the end
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Dec 4, 2010 01:41
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Dodgeball posted:The point of the link was to show she (or some other girl named Jones) and Surma knew each other. Oy, I need to learn reading comprehension...
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Dec 4, 2010 02:26
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Ka0 posted:I hate that you made me look that up on tvtropes. But you're going to say it all the time now. Hell of a useful phrase.
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Dec 4, 2010 02:44
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Revolver Bunker posted:I get the feeling we might be seeing Jeanne again. Only this time Annie will also be at the same level of suffering as Jeanne. Betrayal by the court and all. I also want to see her try out the Coyote-tooth sword.
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Dec 4, 2010 03:07
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Blunt the King posted:I'm really digging how the environments are all twisted and warped. It adds a nice bit of visual impact. I love the warpy environments too. Also, christ this chapter has been stressing me out for weeks with the story and the cliffhangers. 
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Dec 4, 2010 04:12
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Guava posted:But you're going to say it all the time now. Hell of a useful phrase. I'll stick to foreshadowing since it's theather-related too.
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Dec 4, 2010 04:17
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Ka0 posted:I'll stick to foreshadowing since it's theather-related too. Isn't foreshadowing more explicit? Chekov's Gun refers to specific background details or objects that don't necessarily give any hint of what is to come but end up playing an important role. Foreshadowing does give hints. They're not mutually exclusive, of course. Chekov's own example was that if a gun is described in the story as a background detail, by the end of the novel/play the gun must be fired.
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Dec 4, 2010 04:56
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Regardless, I don't think she has it on her.
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Dec 4, 2010 05:00
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nukethewhales posted:Coyote isn't going to harm Annie, but there's no guarantee that there aren't other creatures in the forest who might. Those creatures, however, Eglamore might be able to deal with.
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Dec 4, 2010 06:05
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Why is it everyone takes it as gospel that Coyote cannot lie? That's exactly the sort of thing that liars want you to believe about them.
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Psych posted:Why is it everyone takes it as gospel that Coyote cannot lie? That's exactly the sort of thing that liars want you to believe about them. Jones has said as much and she's proven pretty trustworthy, I think is where people get it. In any case, Coyote's not lied about anything yet that we know of, he's just been incredibly pragmatic with the truths he chooses to hand out, and is deliberately vague with ones he doesn't want to tell yet.
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Dec 4, 2010 10:31
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We can trust Jones, because she's
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dumb brunette posted:Jones has said as much and she's proven pretty trustworthy, I think is where people get it. In any case, Coyote's not lied about anything yet that we know of, he's just been incredibly pragmatic with the truths he chooses to hand out, and is deliberately vague with ones he doesn't want to tell yet. Besides, why lie when telling the truth is so much more fun.
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dumb brunette posted:Jones has said as much and she's proven pretty trustworthy, I think is where people get it. In any case, Coyote's not lied about anything yet that we know of, he's just been incredibly pragmatic with the truths he chooses to hand out, and is deliberately vague with ones he doesn't want to tell yet. What Jones actually said is that he wasn't a liar, not that he was completely incapable of lying. Not being a liar just means he doesn't lie habitually. That said, he does seem to be compelled to keep his word, or at least Anja believes that he is. (Otherwise, why would his promise to leave the Court alone mean anything?) So maybe he really is somehow mystically compelled to tell the truth.
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Psych posted:Why is it everyone takes it as gospel that Coyote cannot lie? That's exactly the sort of thing that liars want you to believe about them. Telling the truth in a misleading fashion is the MO of tricksters gods.
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Yeah, where's the clever trickiness in just flat-out lying to people?
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I wouldn't trust Coyote for the time with a clock stuck to his grinning face.
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Dec 4, 2010 19:59
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fishmech posted:Telling the truth in a misleading fashion is the MO of tricksters gods. I'm also interested in the other Chekov's gun, Coyote's tooth.
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A little late, but...Fangz posted:My reading was always that the scene with the two afterwards suggested that they knew something was up. I read this as "there's something weird in that building, and we never figured it out, I wish I could go with them and help figure it out, but I guess they can figure it out on their own", but I can see how you could read it as "i've already figured it out but now let's let them figure it out for themselves". I don't know if there's any evidence for one reading over the other. But your other examples didn't seem to give any evidence in support of your interpretation, by my reading.
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Dec 4, 2010 21:10
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Fecha posted:I'm pretty sure Coyote promised no harm would come to her at all. Well, quite possibly that promise only applied to the first time Annie visited, or if she visited with permission. Or to a certain category of harm. quote:Telling the truth in a misleading fashion is the MO of tricksters gods. They also lie from time to time, though. http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore67.html I mean, several of the Coyote's powers (possession, shapeshifting) are intrinsically about being deceptive. Lying all the time is just boring, but saving up that big lie for the one moment it counts...?
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Coyote likes to keep Annie around because she's fun. I can't see the fun in letting her die or get hurt though??
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The reactions of Rey etc might be fun. Honestly we have no idea what is fun for the Coyote at this point. But I suspect we are about to find out.
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Dec 4, 2010 23:47
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Coyote, otherwise known as The Joker
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Dec 5, 2010 00:19
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Wait, is this emotionally fractured girl still running around with a Coyote-tooth knife?
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Mercury Hat posted:Coyote likes to keep Annie around because she's fun. I can't see the fun in letting her die or get hurt though?? Where's the fun in a Trickster God who isn't tricking anyone? Who isn't doing anything but sitting in a forest laughing like an idiot?
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KnightLight posted:Wait, is this emotionally fractured girl still running around with a Coyote-tooth knife? Again, as with the little stick-like device, it's probably not even on her. The only thing she probably has access to right now is the blinker stone. EDIT: We've seen her affect something in the physical world (a flower), you think maybe she could bring something to her with the blinker stone? Dodgeball fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 5, 2010 |
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Dec 5, 2010 06:23
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Today's Woot Shirt reminds me a bit of Gunnerkrigg.
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Dodgeball posted:Again, as with the little stick-like device, it's probably not even on her. The only thing she probably has access to right now is the blinker stone. She's propelled a boat across a lake with her etheric body, I doubt grabbing her sword would be any more trouble. However it does condense down to handy tooth-sized form, so she might have it on her.
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Fecha posted:Yeah, where's the clever trickiness in just flat-out lying to people? The best way to trick people is to tell the truth so convincingly that they think you're lying.
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It might have been in a previous conversation about Coyote in this thread that someone brought up this story about Richard Feynman. It's a perfect example of what we're talking about.quote:My masterpiece of mischief happened at the fraternity. One morning I woke up very early, about five o'clock, and couldn't go back to sleep, so I went downstairs from the sleeping rooms and discovered some signs hanging on strings which said things like "DOOR! DOOR! WHO STOLE THE DOOR?" I saw that someone had taken a door off its hinges, and in its place they hung a sign that said, "PLEASE CLOSE THE DOOR!"--the sign that used to be on the door that was missing. (Emphasis mine.)
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Dodgeball posted:Again, as with the little stick-like device, it's probably not even on her. The only thing she probably has access to right now is the blinker stone. I don't think a gift from a trickster god cares about silly little details like where it actually is. I wouldn't be surprised if it poofed into existence when she needed it, or just happened to be in her pocket.
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I strongly doubt the Coyote's tooth can be used against him, if that's what people are alluding to.
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Maybe she'll have to choose between which one to use.
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Annie draws tooth. Breaks signal stick. Stabs the gently caress out of Eglamore when he shows up.
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fritz posted:Annie draws tooth. Breaks signal stick. Stabs the gently caress out of Eglamore when he shows up. The real plot of the comic is revealed. Gunnerkrigg Court... burns. Annie smears war paint under her eyes and summons terrible powers to punish her former friends.
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Driven mad with power, Annie unleashes her massive psychic abilities upon the Court, and then, humanity as a whole. Can Kat and Smitty, the last survivors of Gunnerkrigg, possibly stop her in time? Can Boxbot redeem himself at last? Probably not. Someone draw/photoshop a Gunnerkrigg version of Akira, please.
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Fangz posted:Can Boxbot redeem himself at last? Boxbot saves the day by reminding everyone what "terrible" originally meant.
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