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El Axo Grande posted:Hall, Henning, and Luger were never main event. Savage was main event in name only. Nash only went main event after going Wolfpac. Sting was only part of the Wolfpac, which wasn't really the nWo. Luger absolutely was main event, and they were still in the midcard at the very least where they were still effective and gained wins and looked like a threat.
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I think it's comparing apples to oranges in that WWE probably has the same amount of wrestlers in their entire roster for both brands that NWO had at one point just in their stable. When you've got 120 wrestlers on your roster you can put 35 of them in the NWO and some of them are gonna be main eventers. Having seven guys in current WWE is a pretty huge stable. That in itself is more than the combined main eventers for a single brand.
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:Luger absolutely was main event, and they were still in the midcard at the very least where they were still effective and gained wins and looked like a threat. Outside of losing on Monday, Gabriel and Slater have been sold as pretty legit. The only failing of Husky and McGullicutty is that they have only been in the group a few weeks. And if you want to see Otunga wrestle more... well... bless your heart.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I think it's comparing apples to oranges
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El Axo Grande posted:The only failing of Husky and McGullicutty is that they have only been in the group a few weeks. I'm loving that Husky manages to look MORE sleazy in Nexus gear. He's doing his best to stand out.
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Dec 9, 2010 19:41
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Wojtek posted:That's exactly our point. Calling the Nexus a rehash is incorrect. Yes! Happy Happyist posted:I'm loving that Husky manages to look MORE sleazy in Nexus gear. He's doing his best to stand out. The trucker hat is a nice touch.
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Is "Hasky" a reference to something specific or is that just Cena being goofy?
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Minidust posted:Is "Hasky" a reference to something specific or is that just Cena being goofy? Hasky Harris was Nixon's secretary of education, who was known for basically being an incompetent sycophant.
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El Axo Grande posted:Hasky Harris was Nixon's secretary of education, who was known for basically being an incompetent sycophant. 
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El Axo Grande posted:Hasky Harris was Nixon's secretary of education, who was known for basically being an incompetent sycophant. 
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Minidust posted:okay that's... far less topical than I was expecting It is for Vince
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Wojtek posted:That's exactly our point. Calling the Nexus a rehash is incorrect. I don't think anyone believes Nexus the stable is a direct rehash or a ripoff. The concept of an invasion is what is being reused.
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Dec 9, 2010 21:01
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What else do stables do?
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Captain Charisma posted:I don't think anyone believes Nexus the stable is a direct rehash or a ripoff. The concept of an invasion is what is being reused. Is there any problem with this, though? It's a highly effective formula for generating interest and especially merchandise plus it gets the fans excited. Sure Nexus has lost steam, but damned if I'm still not HIGHLY interested in what's coming next week in and week out, and about 80% of that is thanks to Nexus, 90% before Miz became champ. It's still engrossing as a storyline, weakened or not.
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Dec 9, 2010 21:14
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as a smark i'm annoyed at the complete no-sell of the stipulations and booking. as a fan i'm annoyed because cena is real stale to me and the one thing that looks like they might change him up he goes right back to goofy comedy cena.
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Dec 9, 2010 21:20
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I like goofy comedy Cena but even I have to admit the completely ignorance of the stip annoys me.
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Quarex posted:Oh, I have a question that does not deserve its own thread: What exactly was the process that occurred taking Randy Orton from "one of the reasons I stopped watching wrestling because he was so awful" to "apparently hugely popular even amongst the Internet wrestling crowd?" I know this kind of thing has happened before, as when The Rock went from crappy annoying man to the biggest thing around, but I have a hard time understanding even now what makes him good other than his admittedly quite compelling sinister-mat-pound-and-stare. The crowd was dying for Legacy to break up & they didn't care who caused it. Turns out Orton caused it and so he got the face recognition. Endorph posted:I like goofy comedy Cena but even I have to admit the completely ignorance of the stip annoys me. This past RAW's revelation annoyed me the most. Otunga tells Barrett to take care of Cena or there'll be a mutiny, Barrett comes up with the ingenious plan of doing what they've always done that works so well (which is to lure Cena out by himself & then collectively beat his rear end), and when the plan works to perfection and Cena is easy pickings if they come down and beat his rear end, the rest of Nexus bails on it and has their mutiny anyway.
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oldskool posted:This past RAW's revelation annoyed me the most. Otunga tells Barrett to take care of Cena or there'll be a mutiny, Barrett comes up with the ingenious plan of doing what they've always done that works so well (which is to lure Cena out by himself & then collectively beat his rear end), and when the plan works to perfection and Cena is easy pickings if they come down and beat his rear end, the rest of Nexus bails on it and has their mutiny anyway. Seriously. I know, I know, PG and all, but gently caress. Pillmanize the dude with a chair, do a beatdown the likes of which would be hearkening back to the good old days of the Horsemen, and Cena shouldn't be able to Superman rrrrrrrrrrapadoo out of that.
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oldskool posted:The crowd was dying for Legacy to break up & they didn't care who caused it. Turns out Orton caused it and so he got the face recognition. Why wouldn't the Raw roster just show up and beat their asses again like they did last week?
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jeffersonlives posted:It showed up in my free On Demand so I watched it, and if it didn't have a couple good Robert Patrick moments it might have been the worst movie I've ever seen. If they're all this bad, I need to see more. The best thing about The Marine is that seemingly the only building that doesn't explode in the entire movie is a meth lab.
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Captain Charisma posted:I don't think anyone believes Nexus the stable is a direct rehash or a ripoff. The concept of an invasion is what is being reused. So they should have instituted a trade embarago against the WWE? I don't think it was really an 'invasion' angle, as it was more 'hey assholes, we want respect/recognition, now we're going to try and get the belts and work as a unit to show you why we're the best.'
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MassRayPer posted:Why wouldn't the Raw roster just show up and beat their asses again like they did last week? Same reason they didn't do so the first time they showed up, I figure: CM Punk's mere presence scares off the cavalry. Also they are cowards and no one man wants to run in to help Cena for fear that they will be the only one and they too will receive a beatdown, but if enough people run in before they do to lower the odds of getting their own assed outnumbered & kicked they'll gladly contribute to a save.
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Perdido posted:So they should have instituted a trade embarago against the WWE? He's not saying that at all. Doing something that isn't new is fine. It just isn't that revolutionary. Which is fine. Trying to re-invent the wheel in wrestling leads to Vince Russo. It is when someone tries to make Nexus be something it isn't that it honestly seems LESS fresh. When it was asked "Well when has a group of non-stars been put in an invasion like this before!" I immediately thought "Well ROH did that with Generation Next..." and saw similarities that I had never thought of before. Should WWE care that the groups are kind of the same? gently caress no. It doesn't matter at all.
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MassRayPer posted:He's not saying that at all. Doing something that isn't new is fine. It just isn't that revolutionary. Which is fine. Trying to re-invent the wheel in wrestling leads to Vince Russo. It is when someone tries to make Nexus be something it isn't that it honestly seems LESS fresh. When it was asked "Well when has a group of non-stars been put in an invasion like this before!" I immediately thought "Well ROH did that with Generation Next..." and saw similarities that I had never thought of before. gently caress otunga's winning the title at mania
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This was posted a while ago butMr. Carlisle posted:Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Edge should be nowhere near the status of a pre-retirement era Ric Flair. Why is it more important to have a multitude of title reigns as opposed to the length of your title reign? I mean I understand. You could always be someone like Randy Orton or Shelton Benjamin with the IC Title or recently with the Miz and the US Title and barely ever defend it, therefore you have a long title reign. But a guy like Edge constantly losing the World Title so he gets close to Flair's reign, is it really something to get up in arms about? Edge will have lost the World Title the same numbers of times as Flair in half of the time. Does that make him seem impressive? To me it makes him seem like a chump. Then again, it's impossible to just have one statistic to decide if that person deserved greatness. You have to examine the title reigns individually based on opponents, feud heat, importance, etc. For example, Austin had pretty short reigns but almost always fought the best in the company. Diesel had a long reign in the WWF but his opponents were Shawn Michaels, Sid, Mable and Bret.
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Burrito posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVGo38uCj2s The best steamroller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsroOL-MEk
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MassRayPer posted:He's not saying that at all. Doing something that isn't new is fine. It just isn't that revolutionary. Which is fine. Trying to re-invent the wheel in wrestling leads to Vince Russo. It is when someone tries to make Nexus be something it isn't that it honestly seems LESS fresh. When it was asked "Well when has a group of non-stars been put in an invasion like this before!" I immediately thought "Well ROH did that with Generation Next..." and saw similarities that I had never thought of before. Wow I can't believe I never realized how unbelievably similar this angle is to Generation Next. Well...the concept anyway. The GN angle was done well and made stars and credible upper midcarders out of everyone involved.
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Lone Rogue posted:I mean I understand. You could always be someone like Randy Orton or Shelton Benjamin with the IC Title or recently with the Miz and the US Title and barely ever defend it, therefore you have a long title reign. But a guy like Edge constantly losing the World Title so he gets close to Flair's reign, is it really something to get up in arms about? Edge will have lost the World Title the same numbers of times as Flair in half of the time. Does that make him seem impressive? To me it makes him seem like a chump. But Edge's whole personality was that he would win the title through nefarious and opportunistic means. He takes advantage of a situation to win it, but soon he can't hold onto it because he doesn't always have a way to take advantage of things.
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Captain Charisma posted:Wow I can't believe I never realized how unbelievably similar this angle is to Generation Next. Both groups even beat up Ricky Steamboat.
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Lone Rogue posted:This was posted a while ago but Even when I was watching wrestling as a little mark kid, I thought it was weird that that more title reigns is prestigious. Doesn't that just mean that you lost the title a whole bunch of times? Wouldn't it be better to just have one really long continuous reign than 6 short ones? I still feel that way today, but at least I can see why they do it.
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/\ haha when I was a kid I always thought the champ should job the title to scrubs like esse rios and crash holly then win it back right away to inflate their title count. Maybe winning the title you lost is more impressive than successfully defending it.Lone Rogue posted:This was posted a while ago but its like winning the superbowl nine times vs winning the superbowl once in a more competitive game. Unless you have a really lenghty run and can claim something like "longest reigning champion in smackdown history", 2-time sounds nicer than 1-time. Web Jew.0 fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Dec 10, 2010 |
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MassRayPer posted:He's not saying that at all. Doing something that isn't new is fine. It just isn't that revolutionary. Which is fine. Trying to re-invent the wheel in wrestling leads to Vince Russo. It is when someone tries to make Nexus be something it isn't that it honestly seems LESS fresh. When it was asked "Well when has a group of non-stars been put in an invasion like this before!" I immediately thought "Well ROH did that with Generation Next..." and saw similarities that I had never thought of before. Yeah, I was just being silly. The idea of say, Nexus petitioning the United Nations or the SES meeting with the FDA just conjured up a funny mental picture.
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Captain Charisma posted:Wow I can't believe I never realized how unbelievably similar this angle is to Generation Next. It's not perfect but the only ones I can see coming out of this fired/jobbing are Otunga and McGillicutty, unless you count guys who got cut loose like Tarver and Young.
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I don't get the hate for McGuillicutty, other than his terrible promo leaving NXT. I like him.
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Wojtek posted:I don't get the hate for McGuillicutty, other than his terrible promo leaving NXT. I like him. The guy just seems really bland an unremarkable to me. It's hard for me to come up with another word to describe him other than 'there'.
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Imperfect
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Web Jew.0 posted:Imperfect haircut
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El Duke posted:Dude's bald. All that hair product his dad and mom used came back to haunt him.
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I don't think comparing modern day title counts or lengths to those that happened before weekly TV (Raw/Nitro). There were much less public defenses and less opportunity to lose the title because there was much less exposure than there is now.
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Wojtek posted:I don't get the hate for McGuillicutty, other than his terrible promo leaving NXT. I like him. I don't blame him for his NXT run since he basically went from working like his dad to not being allowed to in a short space of time. Since then, well we haven't seen much of him to judge. Although they are doing him no favors by losing the match to get into NXT and then being the first guy Cena takes out.
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