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That's what I'm hoping for. When I called the court clerk to see if I needed an attorney representation letter on file, he seemed confused that somebody was actually sending a lawyer down as opposed to dealing with it themselves. The truly unfortunate part is that the guy who is the city attorney for most of the bedroom communities here isn't actually the CA for this one. If it were him, the partner would have just called up, shot some poo poo, and the ticket would have gone away.
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HooKars posted:Pharmacist? Pharmacy is not an easy trade to get into. My wife is a P2, and almost all Pharmacy schools are 4 year schools that have graduating classes of around 100, although hers is only 57. Not to mention, its mostly hardcore bio-chemistry. However, I will say that the job prospects are far better than mine; the strange thing is that retail pharmacy (i.e. CVS) is considered by all of her peers as the "poo poo option," but it pays better than working in "Clinical" pharmacy, like 120K vs. ~100K.
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Angry Grimace posted:the strange thing is that retail pharmacy (i.e. CVS) is considered by all of her peers as the "poo poo option," but it pays better than working in "Clinical" pharmacy, like 120K vs. ~100K. Its the poo poo option because you have to deal with the general public. Ask a retail pharmacist what their biggest headache at work is and they will tell you "customers".
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https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/8525769A00495E0D/0/FB32646C5AFCFAC68525767F0054C29A?opendocument&noly=1 That's the link for the Army's loan repayment plan. It's hard to find because JAG's website is the most and clunky website in existence. I am also an active duty JAG hopeful. I'm an officer in the army reserves right now, and I was enlisted and did ROTC, so I can answer general questions about the military or being an officer. I can say that getting into JAG is a lot tougher now because of the economy. I'm an ed-delay for active duty; the army gave me a few years to get a JD without guaranteeing that I get JAG. Historically, there are about 24ish ed-delay's per class year, and the vast majority of them get Active Duty. But this year only about half got it. So, even if you have prior military experience and are already a commissioned officer, getting into JAG is still hard.
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plester1 posted:Its the poo poo option because you have to deal with the general public. Ask a retail pharmacist what their biggest headache at work is and they will tell you "customers".
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Welp, landed my first interview in years. Wish me luck and I hope this whole headhunter business doesn't rain on my parade.
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Cortina posted:That's what I'm hoping for. When I called the court clerk to see if I needed an attorney representation letter on file, he seemed confused that somebody was actually sending a lawyer down as opposed to dealing with it themselves. In this endeavor, keep in mind that perception is more important than reality. You need to make sure that you project confidence to the client. He will be found guilty. You need to make sure that he knows that your office sent somebody confident, competent, and dedicated. The loss can be blamed on the kangaroo nature of the court. What can't be forgiven is you turning to the client afterwards and saying "I'm really sorry. I did the best I could. I've never done this before" as one of our associates did when assisting a major client with a similar issue.
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Solomon Grundy posted:In this endeavor, keep in mind that perception is more important than reality. You need to make sure that you project confidence to the client. He will be found guilty. You need to make sure that he knows that your office sent somebody confident, competent, and dedicated. The loss can be blamed on the kangaroo nature of the court. What can't be forgiven is you turning to the client afterwards and saying "I'm really sorry. I did the best I could. I've never done this before" as one of our associates did when assisting a major client with a similar issue.
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Solomon Grundy posted:In this endeavor, keep in mind that perception is more important than reality. You need to make sure that you project confidence to the client. He will be found guilty. You need to make sure that he knows that your office sent somebody confident, competent, and dedicated. The loss can be blamed on the kangaroo nature of the court. What can't be forgiven is you turning to the client afterwards and saying "I'm really sorry. I did the best I could. I've never done this before" as one of our associates did when assisting a major client with a similar issue. Remember that if you're actually going to trial, they may give away the farm (short of dismissing), talk to your client about this ahead of time. A deal that prevents a record (and points) is always seriously worth considering, even if you have a good case. Also note that most traffic defense attorneys never go to trial, so this is exploited. They are given a "decent" but not great deal and sell it to their client. Don't be that guy. "I'm really sorry. I did the best I could. They stupid jury didn't understand the science./ crooked judge just wanted the conviction."
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evilweasel posted:Oh jesus, what happened to him after that one. Well, he didn't make it. He was kind of a train wreck. There are lots of stories about that guy in the 18 months or so that he was employed by us. Here are some of the highlights: - He knocked up his girlfriend after dating her for two months, and his fellow associates told him not to let the senior (very catholic) partner find out that he fathered a child out of wedlock. So instead of just, like, not talking about the pregnancy and kid at the office too much, instead, he married the girl. - He was representing a plaintiff and was told by a partner to cut his best deal on a civil case, and if the defendant wouldn't offer anything, then dismiss the case before trial because it wasn't worth trying. His opening salvo at mediation: "If you don't offer $15,000, we are going to dismiss this case...." - We went on a junket to Vegas, and he disappeared at a strip club for about 2 hours. A stripper took him to the VIP room, and he paid the $100 for 3 songs. Then she just kept dancing and he just kept sitting there. 2 hours later, he had to activate a new credit card to pay her off. "I just thought she liked me...." He had to drive home at lunch every day for a month to check the mail and intercept the new credit card bill so that his (new) wife wouldn't find out. - He was defending another lawyer on an ethics charge, and was quoted in the paper saying "he didn't steal any money, it was just that he commingled his assets and his clients' assets." - On the same Vegas junket, after studying a "Gambling for Dummies" book on the plane: "I've got it figured out. The casinos have a big advantage." He was fired, and kicked around our town for awhile. He started practicing out of his house. Then one year he bought a bunch of phone book ads, and signed up a bunch of clients, then just failed. He couldn't phil with it. He just stopped practicing law, and didn't tell his clients that he stopped. I am friends with someone on the bar committee who went to his house to take over his files and he wouldn't even go into the basement where his files were. He just pointed down the stairs and said "the files are down there. I can't go down there anymore." He then marched off to his study to teach his children to play clarinet while the bar association gutted his office.
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Solomon Grundy posted:guy This is going to be the life story of someone inthis thread, I just know it... 
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Final final next Wednesday and I'm getting incredibly paranoid about the quality (or lack thereof of my notes) for Torts. Does anybody know of a source where I can get a chart or something for the different jurisdiction rules (particularly California's rules) on assumption of risk, negligent infliction of emotional distress, etc.? I've already tried some Googling to no avail.
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quote:In this endeavor, keep in mind that perception is more important than reality. You need to make sure that you project confidence to the client. He will be found guilty. You need to make sure that he knows that your office sent somebody confident, competent, and dedicated. The loss can be blamed on the kangaroo nature of the court. What can't be forgiven is you turning to the client afterwards and saying "I'm really sorry. I did the best I could. I've never done this before" as one of our associates did when assisting a major client with a similar issue. Two strokes of luck: first, client didn't bother showing up to court. Second: I got the ticket dismissed. Turns out the cop was on his fourth day of duty and managed to screw the citation up to the point that every single piece of paperwork had a different violation on it. The city prosecutor took one look at the jumbled mess and said, "we're just going to pretend this one never happened." I know it was basically a dumb hazing exercise given to me by the partner, but I'm pretty happy I get to call the client tomorrow and tell him I took care of his problem. He throws a lot of business our way, and a general warm fuzzy feeling towards us can't hurt.
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Angry Grimace posted:She did a few rotations in retail at Vons grocery store and said it was awesome, easy and paid well with almost no extra hours. She said the reason why is because grocery stores only even have pharmacies for convenience, and don't particularly care about how much business you turn out. This random mention of Von's Grocery? Yeah, I'm taking this as an omen I did well on my antitrust final. NO ONE DISSUADE ME. Angry Grimace posted:Pharmacy is not an easy trade to get into. My wife is a P2, and almost all Pharmacy schools are 4 year schools that have graduating classes of around 100, although hers is only 57. Veterinary school is similar to this as far as I know. Very few, small programs for some reason. Napoleon I fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Dec 17, 2010 |
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drat Phantom posted:Final final next Wednesday and I'm getting incredibly paranoid about the quality (or lack thereof of my notes) for Torts. Does anybody know of a source where I can get a chart or something for the different jurisdiction rules (particularly California's rules) on assumption of risk, negligent infliction of emotional distress, etc.? I've already tried some Googling to no avail. What's your email? I made PDF charts for every torts action. I can send them to you.
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drat Phantom posted:Final final next Wednesday and I'm getting incredibly paranoid about the quality (or lack thereof of my notes) for Torts. Does anybody know of a source where I can get a chart or something for the different jurisdiction rules (particularly California's rules) on assumption of risk, negligent infliction of emotional distress, etc.? I've already tried some Googling to no avail. have you considered any of the dozens of commercial study aids available for such a univeral law school subject? Off the top of my head Gilberts Exampro Finals Emmanuel Examples & Explanations Crunchtime Nutshell Siegels....
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Welp, landed my first interview in years. You're a EE/CS patent prosecution guy too, right? If this interview is for a mid sized IP boutique in northern NJ, well, then may the best goon win. Also, passed the patent bar today. 
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NJ Deac posted:You're a EE/CS patent prosecution guy too, right? If this interview is for a mid sized IP boutique in northern NJ, well, then may the best goon win. negative
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Omerta posted:What's your email? I made PDF charts for every torts action. I can send them to you. Can you send them to me too? My address is satojs at gmail.
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Defleshed posted:This is going to be the life story of someone inthis thread, I just know it... dibs
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Holland Oats posted:Can you send them to me too? My address is satojs at gmail. lawnet consulted. holland oats identified. commence reputation sabotage procedure
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Holland Oats was the name of a company on my civ pro final yesterday. They were incorporated in Nebraska and PPB was in Oklahoma, I think. There was not complete diversity with whomever was suing them. That's neat, I think. Finals are over and I keep dreaming about everything I failed to write about or missed on MC questions. I always planned to drown out law school after exams were over with copious amounts of alcohol, but it doesn't stop the dreams. Nothing stops the dreams. Also: Solomon Grundy posted:real-life lawyer tales Green Crayons fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Dec 17, 2010 |
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Green Crayons posted:Also: I can tell you a quick one. One of the things I do during law school is specifically look for classes taught by adjuncts-- they're easy, they're practical and more often than not, they come with free beer. One of those classes was taught by two lawyers and a federal judge in town, with a happy hour at the end. The federal judge is there drinking and talking poo poo about everyone and one of the lawyers is getting progressively drunker and drunker. Somehow the conversation turns to trips taken after the bar. I mentioned I was probably going to hit Burning Man, and one of the lawyers looks at me and says, "gently caress that. Go to Rio." "Rio? Why?" "Because I had 20 women in 4 days there." I laugh and chalk it up to him being drunk and everyone gives him poo poo. 30 minutes later, Rio comes up again. Lawyer has had 3 more beers by this point. "You know how I said I had 20 women in 4 days?" "Yeah." "Most of them were hookers." 
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Just finished my first semester of 1L an hour ago. I feel like that contracts exam touched me in a bad way. I need an adult. When I get home tonight, I'm going to drown my sorrows and try to forget everything I know about contracts (which apparently wasn't very much)  (Preemptive Edit: In before prediction of "B+" )
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I have some questions that maybe someone here can answer. And just to preface, I have read most of the OP FAQs and this is very "me exploring my options" so please don't yell if any of this is ridiculous.  I'm an actuary, specifically pension and retiree welfare, but I'm starting to feel a bit unhappy with my job and am exploring potential ideas for change. One of those is to look into ERISA law, which would necessitate law school. The problem is I basically know nothing about what schools are good, how likely it is to get a job in the field, what sectors are the best prospects for jobs, etc. I'm coming to this completely fresh and just exploring ideas, so if anyone has any kind of bead on this info, or info about ERISA law jobs in general, I would love to hear it. The other thing is that I've been out of college (with a BS in Actuarial Science) and working at a reputable actuarial firm for ~4.5 years - I honestly could not even tell you what my college GPA was at this point, though it wasn't terrible obviously. What does this mean for law school applications? Do I need to destroy on the LSAT? Or does work experience weigh in more than GPA in these types of cases? Thanks to anyone who can help me out!
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Sophia posted:Do I need to destroy on the LSAT? Or does work experience weigh in more than GPA in these types of cases? 
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Green Crayons posted:Also: One of my more entertaining cases came in yesterday. It's a pro-se plaintiff suing a restaurant because he thought he was served, and subsequently drank, a pint of bleach. After feeling various burning sensations, the plaintiff notified the server of the problem. The server apologized but never offered help and didn't call 911. The plaintiff then paid for his meal and went straight home to perform "homeopathic collonic Ozone therapy.” The complaint (single space, 10pt font, many pages long) goes into great detail about how he applied the ozone treatment to the interior of his rear end. 3 years of law school and six months in the real world and the epitome of my lawyer experience is reading the phrase "homeopathic collonic ozone therapy is the best cure for ingested Clorox."
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Everyone else will be meaner about this, but I'll give the first reply. As with almost all "specialties" of law, the chances of you becoming employed in a decently paid gig practicing solely ERISA related law are slim to none. If you go to law school you have to go with the mindset that you are extremely likely to end up practicing outside your area of interest, if you end up practicing at all. The only reason to go to law school is that you want to be a lawyer. Not an ERISA Lawyer, or an International Human Rights Lawyer, or an Animals in Space Lawyer, but just a regular old 7:30AM-11 PM helping big corporations get richer lawyer. Now, there's no reason not to keep ERISA in the back of your mind as a goal to work toward; but the reality of what it costs to go to law school coupled with the frightening scarcity of actual real law gigs out there is extremely likely to throw a wrench in your plans. You have to be realistic about what you'll be looking at when you come out of 3 years of law school. If you're not, you'll end up alcoholic and broken. While your actuarial experience might come in handy when you begin your job search for ERISA-related law positions, it means absolutely nothing to law school admissions people. They care only about your college GPA (no matter how long ago that was) and your LSAT. You want to get into the highest ranked school you can and I wouldn't recommend going at all if you can't get into a Top 14 school so you'll need to do extremely well on the LSAT. Don't fall for any schools that try to reel you in with how awesome their <insert esoteric area of legal interest here> classes are and how many students they place in <insert esoteric area of interest> jobs. It is all bullshit. Right or wrong, almost all legal employers of any note care about only one thing: the relative "prestige" of where you went to school, and how well you did while you were there. If you want my honest advice, being unhappy with your job is a terrible reason to go to law school. Once you finish law school you will be roped off into only one career, and you will be "overqualified" to do anything else (regardless of whether or not you can actually find a job practicing law). Get a hobby, take a cruise, start loving around on your significant other, play craps with street toughs on your corner, anything but going to law school.
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@evilweasel Well, I saw that graphic, but does that hold true for someone whose GPA days are long behind them? Maybe the answer is that they don't distinguish between fresh out of college applicants and those longer in the tooth, but that's what I'm trying to clarify. 
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Sophia posted:@evilweasel It holds true for everyone.
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Sophia posted:@evilweasel Your GPA still matters because any law school that accepts you will need to report your GPA and LSAT score to USNWR. The school doesn't care how long ago you graduated from undergrad because your stats still affect their law school ranking.
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Defleshed posted:Reply Thanks for the info. It sounds like what I should do is start looking around in my company and my clients first to see what the job market would be like, then if that looks okay use a practice test to try to figure out if I could even do well on the LSATs, and then if that all doesn't discourage me look more seriously at making it happen for real. Again this is just one of many possibilities I'm thinking about, but I figured you guys would know the lay of the land. And that there might actually be someone with that specialty in the group. Thanks again! And thanks evilweasel for the clarification.
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Sophia posted:they don't distinguish between fresh out of college applicants and those longer in the tooth Because SO MUCH of their ranking comes from the LSAT/GPA medians of the incoming class, this is the case. Now, if you're competitive for the school you're applying to (and that means both LSAT and GPA), and it comes down to you and some guy with the exact same numbers who is 22, has his thumb up his rear end, and has never done anything, they'll like you. But realistically, admissions for good schools are so competitive that "was an accountant for 10 years" might come up against "Started a business distributing nanotechnology while curing AIDS and feeding the homeless, also went to Yale" Soft factors are something EVERYONE has. So find your GPA, and if it's not competitive and you can't get a knockout score on a real LSAT, DO. NOT. GO. TO. LAW. SCHOOL. Lilosh fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Dec 17, 2010 |
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drat Phantom posted:Final final next Wednesday and I'm getting incredibly paranoid about the quality (or lack thereof of my notes) for Torts. Does anybody know of a source where I can get a chart or something for the different jurisdiction rules (particularly California's rules) on assumption of risk, negligent infliction of emotional distress, etc.? I've already tried some Googling to no avail. I don't have a chart but if you need Cali's viewpoints on those things I have very, very long notes where you can ctrl F your way to whatever. AIM is EVFAIN or find me in the chitchat.
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There used to be a list of the goons in various law schools in the OP. What happened to that?
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One time when I was a young associate about three lawyers and me were entertaining a client in the Quarter. By the end of lunch a partner was running around the table with a bottle of Crown Royal he stole from the bar, filling wine glasses with whiskey while a waitress followed him around keeping track in a little notepad. I think the tab was just under $2k for the five of us. So then we took the client to the strip club and proceeded to continue drinking. A different partner bought everyone VIP lapdances, and we decided which one was the best and sent her upstairs with the client for a knobber. After that I think I got in an argument with one of those annoying waitresses about Katrina and she basically called me a carpetbagger because I wasn't born in New Orleans (neither was she, she was from down the river in St. Bernard). This was post Katrina and the implication was that I wasn't a real New Orleanian who had suffered from the storm, which pissed me off because I was here well before and chose to come back when it wasn't fashionable, as in when my house was still flooded and had no power. I called her "worthless Chalmette mud," and she threw a balled-up cocktail napkin in my face, so I picked the napkin back up and stuffed it down the front of her bra and told her to suck another dick for money why don't you. I went across the street to another bar. I was sure I would get in trouble with the other lawyers or the client or something, but one of the partners followed me over and when he pointed out that the client had just been blown by a prostitute and I was hanging out in a strip club on Bourbon Street with three wasted lawyers on a Tuesday at 2 in the afternoon, I felt better about myself. Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Dec 17, 2010 |
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Phil stop, you're encouraging people to go to law school with these stories.
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Sophia posted:Thanks for the info. It sounds like what I should do is start looking around in my company and my clients first to see what the job market would be like, then if that looks okay use a practice test to try to figure out if I could even do well on the LSATs, and then if that all doesn't discourage me look more seriously at making it happen for real. Again this is just one of many possibilities I'm thinking about, but I figured you guys would know the lay of the land. And that there might actually be someone with that specialty in the group. Don't go Sophia. It will ruin you.
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