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Everytime I read about Leia talking about the loss of Alderaan I pretend theres some guy in the hallway or in the back of the control room or whatever shes in just saying, "Oh god shutup about that already!" Didn't she get called out on it during the Yuuzhan Vong War?
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I don't think many people gave two shits about Alderaan. No-one ever talks about it and the impression you get from reading anything about the planet is that they were a bunch of uptight, self-congratulating space-hipsters. Of course, the destruction of Alderaan is frequently described as the worst thing anyone ever did ever, but Kyp Durron blowing up several solar systems is never commented on at all. So I just read Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor and it was....ok, I guess? I really didn't understand why people were concerned about this Shadowspawn guy, the way the story ended was pretty lame, and I was constantly wondering how Luke knew about Cronal and the Emperor's Hands, seeing as he hasn't met Mara Jade yet. The best thing about it by far were the bits with R2 in them - I've never seen him written so well....or, come to think of it, at all. I also see that Luke is all upset and emo because he kind of killed......what, fifty thousand people in that incident? He killed like a million people when he blew up the Death Star and never blinks an eye at it. Why were these guys so different?
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Dec 15, 2010 00:27
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Mad Hamish posted:So I just read Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor and it was....ok, I guess? I really didn't understand why people were concerned about this Shadowspawn guy, the way the story ended was pretty lame, and I was constantly wondering how Luke knew about Cronal and the Emperor's Hands, seeing as he hasn't met Mara Jade yet. The best thing about it by far were the bits with R2 in them - I've never seen him written so well....or, come to think of it, at all. I also see that Luke is all upset and emo because he kind of killed......what, fifty thousand people in that incident? He killed like a million people when he blew up the Death Star and never blinks an eye at it. Why were these guys so different? Well you see, they were all innocent. Nevermind the fact that Death Star demonstrates that a lot of the folks on the Death Star were, well, pretty average folks who's only "crime" was having been assigned to the place as a duty post.
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Dec 15, 2010 02:35
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Are we really going to have that argument? The Death Star was a mobile vehicle of death which just destroyed an entire planet and would have been used to enslave the galaxy through fear of annihilation. I don't see what's so bad about Luke not batting a tear as he flew back to Yavin. If you want to complain about anything, it's that he didn't seem to really care that his childhood friend Biggs was dead. And Skywalker did care about killing all those people. It was part of his "death is my gift, killing people is my neat trick" speech he gave. Luke was maturing and realizing that all his fantastic abilities which made people fawn over him so much were just ultimately used to kill people in awesome displays of power. That's why he got a little mopey over it and resigned his commission. He didn't care at the time because he was a hyper-active gun-tooting farmboy who was a gudamn hero for blowing up an evil death machine operated by an evil Empire. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Dec 15, 2010 |
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Dec 15, 2010 02:56
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This is basically going into  territory but it goes back to the origins of the Milgram Study. That study was done specifically to see why nazi soldiers followed ordered to horrible things. The basic conclusion is that following orders doesn't make you evil or cowardly.
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Dec 15, 2010 03:20
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Luke was following orders to blow up the Death Star so I don't see what the problem is.
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Dec 15, 2010 04:12
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RagnarokAngel posted:This is basically going into No it doesn't make them evil but I don't see the big deal about not having Luke shed a tear for every single person he's blown up. And it's not like Luke knew there were a bunch of nice, ordinary, non-evil dudes on the Death Star. All we saw (and Luke saw) aboard were a bunch of rear end in a top hat guards, Stormtroopers, pilots, and stuffy Admirals. Luke acknowledged all the people he killed in the Death Star in the Mindor novel. No, he doesn't dwell on it in other novels. But he doesn't dwell on the Mindor events either so I don't see the problem. He went from being a wet-behind-the-ears farmboy in ANH to a more mature, jaded guy in Mindor who was finally coming to terms with all the people he's killed. I don't see what is so unbelievable about it WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Dec 15, 2010 |
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Dec 15, 2010 04:26
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Just when you think you've seen the last of the Mandalorians... http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/7914_Mandalorian_Battle_Pack
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Dec 16, 2010 07:48
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VaultAggie posted:Just when you think you've seen the last of the Mandalorians... http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/7914_Mandalorian_Battle_Pack
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Dec 16, 2010 07:53
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VaultAggie posted:Just when you think you've seen the last of the Mandalorians... http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/7914_Mandalorian_Battle_Pack Buy 10 of those, sit on them for a couple years, make 10x what you spent on them.
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Dec 16, 2010 07:58
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Ah, in all our talk of Fandalorians I forgot there were Rogue Squadron fans out there. After all these years... Yes, this is fanart based on a real Star Wars book. And one of the better ones at that. I assume the one that is sooooo pleased with this is supposed to be Janson?
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Dec 16, 2010 11:52
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RagnarokAngel posted:This is basically going into Just putting it out there but Luke liked to shoot womp rats while speeding around Beggar's Canyon for shits and giggles in his youth. Of course later on it was made cannon that they would attack other creatures, and started going after Jawas and moisture farms, so a bounty was placed on them, and then it turned into Luke just "stun blasting" them. quote:Womp Rats were also very fast and stealthy. They could have had the ability to cloak themselves with the Force since Ki Adi Mundi and Aurra Sing both found out that they could barely sense them with the Force aiding them. 
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Dec 16, 2010 13:20
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AcridWhistle posted:Just putting it out there but Luke liked to shoot womp rats while speeding around Beggar's Canyon for shits and giggles in his youth. Which just goes back to the point that Luke is space trailer trash, complete with shootin' critters in yer backyard while joyridin'
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Dec 16, 2010 13:52
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AcridWhistle posted:Just putting it out there but Luke liked to shoot womp rats while speeding around Beggar's Canyon for shits and giggles in his youth. Star wars is the gift that keeps on taking.
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Angry Midwesterner posted:Ah, in all our talk of Fandalorians I forgot there were Rogue Squadron fans out there. After all these years... Oh my god, this is beautiful. And yea according to another pictured posted on that blog, that's (left to right) Wedge, Janson, Hobbie, and Tycho in their Adumar women's getups.
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Dec 19, 2010 21:36
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Even when in a dress Tycho just loves bringing his fancy Imperial Academy training up with that stance.
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I remember reading that book, but I don't remember it being the planet of the gothic lolita schoolgirls.
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This thread prompted me to re-read the X-Wing series recently. There are plot holes you could drive a SSD through but dang are they fun reading and I'd recommend them to anyone. More problems in life should be solved by cramming a genius level Gamorrean into a smuggling compartment with a stripped-down X-Wing laser and launching him into space with an R2 unit bolted on top.
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Dec 19, 2010 23:30
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Okay, I just saw an episode of that CGI Clone Wars series where they re-invade Geonosis? Why the heck didn't they just keep a garrison on the planet?
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I remember reading that book, but I don't remember it being the planet of the gothic lolita schoolgirls. It was a gag. A Gilligan Cut, really. Don't tell anyone I read TVTropes posted:* Happens once in Starfighters of Adumar. Red Flight steals four sets of women's clothing, Hobbie asks Wedge to tell them that they're not going to wear it, Wedge says "Very well, I'm not putting us in women's clothing"...
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Insane Totoro posted:Okay, I just saw an episode of that CGI Clone Wars series where they re-invade Geonosis? In EU stuff released after Attack of the Clones there was a Republic garrison on Geonosis, but the CGI Clone Wars people apparently ignored that. Also consider the fact that a good deal of the show's season 2 episodes consisted of invasions of planets that apparently are the ones getting re-invaded in ROTS, and also the first episode of season 3 (the battle of Kamino) is pretty much a direct ripoff of the first issue of the original Clone Wars arc in the Republic comics where almost the exact same things happen.
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I just reread Starfighters of Adumar, and it is an amazing book "Old men, old men with big smiles" Is the best response to shooting down someone.
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I started rereading the series the other day and the first few books are really interesting with the knowledge that (spoilered for you poor saps that haven't read it) Erisi is an Imperial agent. It's really cool to consider the reasoning behind all her actions with that fact in mind. Starfighters is my favorite of the series though, if only because of Hobbie and Janson.
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Wraith Squadron (the book) will always be my favourite. It's like a compressed season of a really good tv show.
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Every time i watch Empire Strikes Back the dialogue between Luke and Yoda impresses me. I'm curious about who wrote it and where the inspiration came from. Anyone know? Luke: There's something not right here. I feel cold. Yoda: That place is strong with the dark side of the force. A domain of evil it is. In you must go. Luke: What's in there? Yoda: Only what you take with you.
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Walldo posted:Luke was following orders to blow up the Death Star so I don't see what the problem is. Ummm, the Nuremburg trials showed definitively that following orders was no excuse from personal responsibility to the immorality of your crime. Furthermore, Nuremburg established that retroactive legal precedent is valid in prosecuting crimes that have occured before the establishment of their status as crimes. It also clearly explains that geographical barriers provide no buffer in the scope of application of these precedents and their legal authority. This proves without a doubt that no matter how long ago or far away a galaxy, people must answer for their actions. Furthermore, zombies are totally scientifically plausible because
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Out of curiosity, about 15 years ago or so I took more notice that there used to be all those swap meet things that would show up at malls with people selling just various collectibles all over the place. You'd almost ALWAYS have someone with various sort of movie memorabilia and among these items would be $20-40 copies of xeroxed and authentic 'scripts' for Star Wars 1, 2 and 3 well before they actually came out. They had titles like, "Rise of the Empire, Fall of the Republic, etc..." Even as recently as a few years ago at one of these things I saw a table with one of these on it and little tags attached saying, "The RARE UNPRODUCED ORIGINAL SCRIPT FOR EPISODE 1" and still wanting big bucks for it. So, I need to ask: Did anyone ever drop dime on one of these, and if so, how do these things compare to the actual films we got?
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Andorian Blues posted:Merry Life Day everyone I watched the Holiday Special for the first time a week or so ago. As bad as I knew it would be going in...it couldn't prepare me for the actual thing. No amount of knowledge of it can prepare someone for their first viewing of the Holiday Special.
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Andorian Blues posted:Merry Life Day everyone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXcb7VPw59s
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Chairman Capone posted:I watched the Holiday Special for the first time a week or so ago. As bad as I knew it would be going in...it couldn't prepare me for the actual thing. No amount of knowledge of it can prepare someone for their first viewing of the Holiday Special. Remember, George Lucas disowned this special. Jar Jar Binks? Fine. Christmas Special? Disowned it. That's pretty bad.
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Oh god, that's painful. I am physically in pain from watching that.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Out of curiosity, about 15 years ago or so I took more notice that there used to be all those swap meet things that would show up at malls with people selling just various collectibles all over the place. You'd almost ALWAYS have someone with various sort of movie memorabilia and among these items would be $20-40 copies of xeroxed and authentic 'scripts' for Star Wars 1, 2 and 3 well before they actually came out. They had titles like, "Rise of the Empire, Fall of the Republic, etc..." Regardless of how they compared to the actual films, they were fake.
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Chairman Capone posted:I watched the Holiday Special for the first time a week or so ago. As bad as I knew it would be going in...it couldn't prepare me for the actual thing. No amount of knowledge of it can prepare someone for their first viewing of the Holiday Special. I still don't understand how they got all the actual actors to do that thing. Why didn't a single one of them just stop and think "wow this is loving DUMB." Lucas must have driven a truck full of money up to their house.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Out of curiosity, about 15 years ago or so I took more notice that there used to be all those swap meet things that would show up at malls with people selling just various collectibles all over the place. You'd almost ALWAYS have someone with various sort of movie memorabilia and among these items would be $20-40 copies of xeroxed and authentic 'scripts' for Star Wars 1, 2 and 3 well before they actually came out. They had titles like, "Rise of the Empire, Fall of the Republic, etc..."
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Geddy Krueger posted:I started rereading the series the other day and the first few books are really interesting with the knowledge that (spoilered for you poor saps that haven't read it) Erisi is an Imperial agent. It's really cool to consider the reasoning behind all her actions with that fact in mind. Starfighters is my favorite of the series though, if only because of Hobbie and Janson. Not really much of a spoiler though. I mean, it's a Stackpole-surprise, but not a surprise-surprise. Once you put together all the obvious pieces that 1) we are meant to root for Tycho's innocence because Wedge believes in him, 2) Corran and Mirax are meant to be, and 3) There is a spy somewhere in the squadron, then it all fits together rather easily. Of course, it definitely takes something away from the whole "Hot chick is way into
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Chaos Hippy posted:Regardless of how they compared to the actual films, they were fake. I'm aware they're fake, but I'm sure they're sort of a strange fanfic time capsule from the fandom, too, from a time before the actual prequels came out and they didn't have any inkling what the films could have been except for the hints and ideas given in the original trilogy. On a related note, I was looking up something on these things on the internet I found some archive of old Star Wars related rumors from the 90s. http://prequelrumors.tripod.com/fett.html Some of them are fun, too. Even these are a time capsule, in a similar way, to the hopes or delusions of fans prior to the release of the PT. Having lived through this era, it is a bit nostalgic to go back and remember a few of these while people were trying to pass off BS as rumors and rumors as truth. There are a few strange things that do pop up, though, that make it a bit interesting to review. Some things are completely wrong (naturally), but other things are oddly very close to what did come about.
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JediTalentAgent posted:On a related note, I was looking up something on these things on the internet I found some archive of old Star Wars related rumors from the 90s. Anonymous Hollywood Insider posted:Lucas is currently the most envied filmmaker in all of Hollywood. No other filmmaker has had the luxury to prep his/her pet or personal film project for nearly 15 years (like Lucas with the Prequels). Also, not only is Lucas a billionaire and has a full head of hair, Lucas is going to be able to shoot and re-shoot the Prequel until he gets it perfect. Most directors would kill (literally) for this ability. And Lucas, more importantly, has all the time in the world to finish the Prequel. He still has 20 months to tinker and perfect every little detail of the Prequel prior to its release in May 1999. So if the Prequel isn't the best film ever made then Lucas only has himself to blame. This one had me laughing with how prescient it was.
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DrWhom posted:This one had me laughing with how prescient it was. Just as good/better: 10 - 12 - 97 "If even 1 % of the internet rumors were correct, then the prequel would be a very disappointing film as compared to the ingenious story that Lucas has formed both on paper and in his head. (Source: Anonymous Lucasfilm Spokesperson)" There is another thing on there that claims the 'rumored' names like Padme and Darth Sideous are jokes by Lucas to tease the net sites and that those names are not actually part of the prequels.
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10-3-97 Since Lucas has not directed a blockbuster in over 20 years, some studio executives in Hollywood fear that Lucas is out of touch with the current cinematic marketplace. Many fear that age, family and maturity may have "slowed" Lucas' kinetic approach to film making. Lucas is known for thrill-a-minute roller-coaster movies like the Star Wars and Indiana Jones Trilogies, however; that was then this is now. Many fear that Lucas will get "bogged down" in exposition and character development in the prequel(s). The prequel may be more like The English Patient, Sling Blade or Jerry McGuire than Independence Day, Twister or the Lost World. (Source: Blazon) Well, Blazon hit it dead on when it comes to getting bogged down. NeonTurtle fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 26, 2010 |
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