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Napoleon I posted:Sorry you hosed up 1L year/are terrible at interviews.
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Napoleon I posted:Sorry you hosed up 1L year/are terrible at interviews. you forgot the 
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Dec 28, 2010 21:32
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Linguica posted:Did law review, no-offered from 2L firm, graduated median-ish, still unemployed </personalanecdote> Do you wish you had stayed at University of San Diego Law School?
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Dec 28, 2010 21:34
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stingray1381 posted:Do you wish you had stayed at University of San Diego Law School? As long as you're reading the thread, can I ask you a quick question? In the office where you work, and in other offices that you know of, how many of the attorneys would you say either spent time working as a JAG or have other military backgrounds?
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Dec 28, 2010 21:40
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stingray1381 posted:Do you wish you had stayed at University of San Diego Law School? Do I wish I hadn't transferred? I don't know, I would have less debt but still a pretty significant debt load, god knows if I would have gotten a 2L summer job, I would have still had the friends I made in 1L instead of moving to a tundra where I didn't know a single person I don't regret transferring as such, I more regret the entire decision to attend law school at all
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prussian advisor posted:As long as you're reading the thread, can I ask you a quick question? In the office where you work, and in other offices that you know of, how many of the attorneys would you say either spent time working as a JAG or have other military backgrounds? In my current office, out of 15 or so attorneys, I think one person has a military background (he was Navy officer, but not a JAG). In my last office with about 60 attorneys, I'd say 10 or so had a military background (maybe 5 or so were ex-JAG).
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Dec 28, 2010 21:46
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Linguica posted:It's "School of Law" not "Law School" dude Bummer. I assume you moved back? People need to understand that we have a Michigan Law, law review alumnus without a job. I don't know if you're socially retarded, but if not, that's really depressing.
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Dec 28, 2010 21:49
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stingray1381 posted:Bummer. I assume you moved back? There are a number of people at Columbia in very similar situations, none of whom are socially retarded. Basically, the overwhelming majority of the class of 2011 got the shaft and will never really be allowed to practice law, except for a tiny minority who might be allowed to in a permanently subordinate and underemployed kind of way compared to the people who graduated immediately after them. Law school is good times 
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Dec 28, 2010 21:58
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stingray1381 posted:Bummer. I assume you moved back? Law school was literally, LITERALLY, the worst decision I have ever made in my life. There isn't even a close second.
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Dec 28, 2010 22:01
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Linguica posted:Well of course I'm somewhat socially retarded, I went to law school / am a goon, but I'm not someone that people just can't stand to be around or anything. Of course now I am pretty much a pariah and will never get into biglaw so god knows what I will have to end up doing and how I will manage the enormous debt that has come due.  I assume you're lining out the IBR and whatnot right? You didn't take out private loans did you?Everyone should be sure to take advantage of what little "evil socialism!!11" we have in this country and get on the IBR teat before they yank the rug out from under us. And PLUS loans means you should never ever borrow a single dollar of private loans. EVER. I haven't read the OP in a couple years but that should be in there if it isn't.
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TTT Online Dentistry School Welcome to Boalt aka Boalt Hall aka University of California, School of Law aka UC Berkeley Law School aka Berkeley Law. I have seen every name used on firm websites so no one knows what it is. The school is located on the UC Berkeley campus in the southeast corner right across the street from Memorial Stadium, the international students dorm (by far the hottest girls at Cal), and a bunch of frats and sororities, so location-wise the school is pretty awesome. Pros: You can take whatever you want in the undergrad school (caveat: introductory language classes don’t count for JD credit, although you can still take them just to take them and advance language classes DO count) and most classes offered at Haas, the B School. There are also little known formal arrangements with Stanford (take classes there if it’s not offered at Boalt) and Harvard (spend 3L year there, although transfers are foreclosed) if you need to massage your ego. A lot of young and fun faculty recently out of Yale and big fellowships. There’s a million secondary journals where you can walk in and say ‘Hey I want on” and bam, you’re on, no writing requirements or anything, so there’s that when you don’t make California Law Review. There’s also a lot of Panda classes (VIDEO GAME LAW~!) when you need a break and don’t give a gently caress about clerkships. OCIP numbers were up this year to working for over 50% of those who tried. I also do like that Boalt at least tries to be all things for all people – there’s a big IP and public interest focus here, but when it comes to BigLaw and Clerkships the administration has an all hands on deck approach since we’re paranoid about falling out of the top 10 (a big part of Berkeley’s academic identity is tied to it having more top 10 grad programs than any school). For the area, there is also some killer gourmet food spots in North Berkeley and San Fran is close enough to where you can escape when need be and enjoy the ballyhoo of that city (and also Marin County - think The OC only an even bigger attitude problem since it’s younger money and a lot more snooty education). Also there’s a lot of good weed floating around. Cons: This is not the charming kumbayee free love place where the streets are paved with handjobs and acid, as apparently it once was. The town is very much geared towards students for better or worse, and the hippies who did stick around are now just homeless beggars. Telegraph Ave has bad food. Socially, the law students are all really friendly (I’ve yet to meet one d-bag, definitely a change from my old school) but pretty anti-social – bar reviews are poo poo and poorly attended, and it’s not like Berkeley has good bars - there’s a couple dives and one cool on-campus bar called The Bear’s Lair, but it’s only cool on gamedays and for Beat the Clock where it gets dirt cheap. Grading is a mystery with the whole P/H/HH bullshit that I now officially dislike. Women here are whatever. And while Boalt does have street cred here in the Bay and throughout Cali, you still have to put up with people asking why you chose to go here over other schools (Stanford) but hey, you go to the world's premier public university (you pinko commie you). The Boalt building is also atrocious but there's a big renovation going on that might fix that; that renovation has been going on for three years so who knows if it'll be done by the time I graduate. Overall: I have some laughs, smoke some bud and I got a job for this summer, so I'm not hating law school or my decision to transfer right now. You can do a whole lot worse and if you want to stay in Cali and are a resident it's a relatively good deal. I pretty much lucked into getting in here after a miracle 1L so I really can't bitch. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Dec 29, 2010 |
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Dec 28, 2010 22:41
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Napoleon I posted:Sorry you hosed up 1L year/are terrible at interviews.
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Final exams ended last week. I've been drunk ever since. I loving love law school. The material is so so interesting, and I really got off on studying like a maniac. It made me feel important. To potential law students: take this thread with a grain of salt. Law school is really a wonderful, incredible, amazing place. Your peers are really smart. The professors are brilliant. In short, going to law school is the best decision that I have ever made. I can't WAIT for the next semester to start.
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Dec 29, 2010 00:36
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Final exams ended last week. I've been drunk ever since. I loving love law school. The material is so so interesting, and I really got off on studying like a maniac. It made me feel important. To potential law students: I don't know which law school this guy attends, but I get the feeling that it's a Paper Chase-esque scenario where he deeply respects and fears his professors and they...don't know he exists. How anyone derives personal validation from studying until his or her eyes bleed, I don't know. (Also, I wonder what the poster's job situation is.)
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The Warszawa posted:To potential law students: I don't know which law school this guy attends, but I get the feeling that it's a Paper Chase-esque scenario where he deeply respects and fears his professors and they...don't know he exists. Reading this thread, as a 0L, I entered law school expecting the worst. I was so loving pleasantly surprised that I nearly blew a load in the library. I think that, if you are the type, law school can be a wonderful, incredible, enlightening experience. To answer your question, I am a 1L at Harvard Law in Cambridge. My job situation is pending, given the December 1 restriction and the general paucity of 1L firm jobs. I look forward to a nonpaying internship this summer in the field of my interest!
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What the gently caress is up with tax treaties, and why the hell are people entering into them with tax havens?
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Dec 29, 2010 00:56
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Reading this thread, as a 0L, I entered law school expecting the worst. Law school is the fun part. It's the finding and then working at your job that's the less fun part.
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:To potential law students: take this thread with a grain of salt. Law school is really a wonderful, incredible, amazing place. Your peers are really smart. The professors are brilliant. IzzyFnStradlin posted:To answer your question, I am a 1L at Harvard Law in Cambridge.
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Elotana posted:"Law school" is not a wonderful, incredible, amazing place. Maybe Harvard is, but don't pretend your dumbass prestige boner and 1L naiveté makes law school a great decision for the other 99% of potential law students. drat son you gettin trolled by izzy again when you gonna learn, i bet you still fall for that 'naive' isn't in the dictionary prank too also izzy how many hobos have you stabbed edit: this is for a survey d-edit: a science survey Abugadu fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 29, 2010 |
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Dec 29, 2010 01:27
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We've forgotten who izzyfnstradlin is it seems
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He supports Something Awful completely just by re-reg fees If you enjoy law school you are the sort of person who will make a great firm lawyer but is an otherwise terrible human being. You have your own little slice of misery waiting for you.
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Abugadu posted:drat son you gettin trolled by izzy again 
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:In short, going to law school is the best decision that I have ever made. I can't WAIT for the next semester to start. Thank god you are back Izzy.
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Defleshed posted:He supports Something Awful completely just by re-reg fees I think law school was actually a lot of fun... That has nothing to do with whether going is a good idea, since you pay tens of thousands of dollars for it and can't stay forever.
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lmao I had a bit of a "model penal code moment" out with my friends last night. My one moron friend tried to by cocaine, but it turned out to be nothing. And his response was "well, at least I can't get arrested for this!" And I, naturally, said "au contraire. mistake of fact is not a valid defense, you stupid loving white trash piece of poo poo!" (I hate my friends)
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Elotana posted:There's a substantial element of luck when it comes to both grades and interviews. That makes it Michigan's fault he didn't get a job? I also have really enjoyed law school, and know a few other people who have had very similar experiences (and also done well). It's been the best 1.5 years of my life so far, and I haven't worked hard at all, except for 2 weeks a semester for finals. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who hate it and work like crazy (and generally have done mediocre to poor). tldr: It's a horrible idea for most people, a good idea for a significantly smaller number of people, even if you get into a T14.
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Defleshed posted:He supports Something Awful completely just by re-reg fees That's not true at all! You're not accounting for the amount Grumblefish spends on new identities.
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Mr Gentleman posted:where is grumblefish btw He probably just has another username. He could be any one of us...
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I didn't think Law School was super fun or wonderful but I had a way higher ratio of liking:hating classes than previous schooling.
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Dec 29, 2010 04:41
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Ainsley McTree posted:He probably just has another username. He could be any one of us... I'm grumblefish
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We Are All Grumblefish
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SWATJester, do you have anything to tell the thread?
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Dec 29, 2010 05:39
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Izzy post a picture of a mind-altering substance. That's my favorite part of you
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:lmao I had a bit of a "model penal code moment" out with my friends last night. That's a C answer; mistake of fact isn't applicable, because it's not like he had cocaine but thought he had something else. loving 1Ls think they know everything.
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Napoleon I posted:That makes it Michigan's fault he didn't get a job? You're continuing to forget the
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Defleshed posted:He supports Something Awful completely just by re-reg fees I enjoyed law school but was not a great firm lawyer. Well, I really don't know if I could have been good at it because I hated it from the start and therefore never really tried that hard. But I always liked school and enjoyed law school classes, and had a lot of fun in law school without having to work that hard. However, that said, I wouldn't do it again because I just got lucky that it wasn't a big waste of time and money. It could have been a disaster once I knew I wanted nothing to do with practicing law. I wouldn't recommend it now given the scarcity of jobs. I graduated before it got bad, so that wasn't much of a factor when I started.
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Is everyone saying they loved law school talking about the "academic" experience as opposed to the friends you made or the social aspect or whatever? If so, I don't get it. It wasn't challenging, thought-provoking, or engaging in any way to me. I'd spend the entire semester doodling in my notebook and then cram for three days and take a final or do research for a week and write a paper in a day. The material in nearly every class I took ranged from simply mind-numbingly dull (ERISA Litigation) to aggressively complex yet completely uninteresting (Immigration Law). And the 1L classes with their rote memorization of the same poo poo everyone in every law school across the country is learning? How was that in anyway "fun"? All law school was to me was a chore to get through so I could get a law degree and take the bar exam. I think it seemed that way to me because I didn't much get into the social aspect either, being an evening student with a full-time job and a family. I made maybe 3 or 4 friends in law school and hardly ever went to the social events. That's what leads me to believe that the people who are saying they enjoyed it are talking about the social aspect. It just baffles me that someone could enjoy the perfunctory academics of the whole thing. I made my earlier comment because it seemed to me that everyone I know who was able to get a big firm job (not many in the class of '09) seemed to be the type of person who really got a kick out of the bullshit structure of academics in law school and thrived on working really loving hard to push out that last .01 of GPA. In other words, the antithesis of me. v  vI dunno, maybe I just hated it because it was an extra 4 hours a night every night of the week for three years. I have a great job now, and will be starting my dream job in July so it was worth I'll be damned if I ever say it was "fun". Defleshed fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Dec 29, 2010 |
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Defleshed posted:Is everyone saying they loved law school talking about the "academic" experience as opposed to the friends you made or the social aspect or whatever? While the social aspect of it is probably a big factor that made it fun for me, I enjoyed the academic experience as well. Don't get me wrong. I found some of it to be mindnumbingly dull as well. And I hated the stress of exams and worrying about class ranks and getting jobs. But I've always liked school, and if it were possible to be a professional student I would do that. I like classes and textbooks and the process of learning and all that, which is probably why I enjoy teaching so much because I get to be in that environment.
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Defleshed posted:Is everyone saying they loved law school talking about the "academic" experience as opposed to the friends you made or the social aspect or whatever?
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