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What are the good EU comics? I have read enough EU novels as a kid to never really care to read them again but I'm more willing to waste some time reading a Star Wars comic book. Any recommendations? Or did I do a poor job of reading the thread?
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Jan 2, 2011 23:34
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Knights of the Old Republic is generally well regarded I believe and not really long.
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Jan 2, 2011 23:37
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Biplane posted:someone needs to post that motherfucking.gif from the way old episode 3 thread with Grievous as an old timey silent film villain!!
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Jan 2, 2011 23:43
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I'm probably a horrible person for wanting it, but I'd like to see George Lucas go and completely remake Star Wars according to his original vision. I want to see just how bad it was. Better yet, make a wager with him. If the new films are liked by at least 50% of a group of unbiased, humorless film critics, he gets crowned God of filmmaking. If, however, he loses his wager, the film rights for all his movies go to a competent movie maker.
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Jan 3, 2011 00:45
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George Lucas is 66 he isn't going to be making many more films man.
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Jan 3, 2011 01:10
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So, i found this years ago and thought it was pretty funny. A Maoist review of "Knights of the Old Republic" http://web.archive.org/web/20071208164749/www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/vgames/knightsoftheoldrep.html quote:Knights of the Old Republic ... or should we say Cossacks of the Old Republic?
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Jan 3, 2011 03:04
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RagnarokAngel posted:George Lucas is 66 he isn't going to be making many more films man. So remaking the "Saga" in THREE-DEE isn't considered making another film?
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Jan 3, 2011 03:13
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:What are the good EU comics? I have read enough EU novels as a kid to never really care to read them again but I'm more willing to waste some time reading a Star Wars comic book. Any recommendations? Or did I do a poor job of reading the thread? As RagnarokAngel said, KOTOR is pretty well regarded. If you're into the more "old school" EU style than Tales of the Jedi, Dark Empire, and X-wing: Rogue Squadron are the staples. For the "modern" (ie, post-prequel) style of EU, it's KOTOR, Republic (especially the Quinlan Vos/Clone Wars arcs) and Legacy.
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Jan 3, 2011 03:34
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that awful man posted:Ahahaha yeeessss. That was hands down the best thing to come out of that thread
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Jan 3, 2011 04:07
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Empire and Rebellion are pretty sweet if you enjoy just general stuff about the Galactic Civl War.
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Jan 3, 2011 04:10
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Cowslips Warren posted:So in the movie Palpatine tells the new Vader that yeah, he killed Padme. Did it never occur to Vader to, I don't know, ask about the whole baby deal? NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it did not.
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Jan 3, 2011 04:18
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NeonTurtle posted:So remaking the "Saga" in THREE-DEE isn't considered making another film? He doesn't have to get out of his chair to do that.
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Jan 3, 2011 06:00
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Cowslips Warren posted:I suppose one thing we can be thankful for is a lack of sex scene in the prequels. I bet a lot of CGI Force magic would have been involved. A naked Natale Portman might have made the prequels worth seeing. The writing is already about as good as what you'd find in a porno, why not go all the way? I kinda want to see a George Lucas porno, now, just to see how horribly horribly awkward it would be. All his kids as adopted. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still a virgin. RagnarokAngel posted:George Lucas is 66 he isn't going to be making many more films man. Thank God.
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Jan 3, 2011 06:37
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NeonTurtle posted:So remaking the "Saga" in THREE-DEE isn't considered making another film? No? Slapping some poor post-production 3D with some audio/CG changes isn't a new film at all.
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Jan 3, 2011 08:04
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vseslav.botkin posted:He doesn't have to get out of his chair to do that. That bothered me too in the behind the scenes stuff in Plinketts review Lucas says "...annnnd ACTION!" them promptly turns AWAY from his "set" and actors and looks at monitors. 
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Jan 3, 2011 08:06
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Metal Massacre posted:That bothered me too in the behind the scenes stuff in Plinketts review Lucas says "...annnnd ACTION!" them promptly turns AWAY from his "set" and actors and looks at monitors. Unless you're referring to some other kind of monitors, directors aren't supposed to look at their actors directly, but instead they're supposed to see them how the camera sees them.
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Jan 3, 2011 18:19
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Obi Wan says that Tusken Raiders walk in single file to hide their numbers. Hide their numbers from who? Seems like Krayt dragons are the only thing that scares them. The fact that even Obi Wan didn't want to be around when they came back implies that they aren't to be taken lightly, and they live in lovely huts with nothing worth stealing, so who are they hiding from?
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Jan 3, 2011 18:36
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SkunkDuster posted:Obi Wan says that Tusken Raiders walk in single file to hide their numbers. Hide their numbers from who? Seems like Krayt dragons are the only thing that scares them. The fact that even Obi Wan didn't want to be around when they came back implies that they aren't to be taken lightly, and they life in lovely huts with nothing worth stealing, so who are they hiding from? Well, a few years back, some blonde kid came through and massacred a whole village in the night, so the Tuskens have been sort of jumpy ever since. Or, there could be warring tribes of Tusken Raiders and they're hiding from each other.
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Jan 3, 2011 18:44
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Crowetron posted:Or, there could be warring tribes of Tusken Raiders and they're hiding from each other. I guess this makes the most sense. They were some scary motherfuckers. Too bad we didn't get to see more of them in the OT.
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Jan 3, 2011 18:47
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SkunkDuster posted:Obi Wan says that Tusken Raiders walk in single file to hide their numbers. Hide their numbers from who? Seems like Krayt dragons are the only thing that scares them. The fact that even Obi Wan didn't want to be around when they came back implies that they aren't to be taken lightly, and they live in lovely huts with nothing worth stealing, so who are they hiding from? I kinda got the impression that it was more so anyone that did want to attack them got a pretty big surprise. This is Tatooine, not exactly the nicest planet, and Tuskens take slaves and poo poo, so I'd imagine there are bounty hunters sent after them or whatever.
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Jan 3, 2011 20:25
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Deadcell27 posted:I kinda got the impression that it was more so anyone that did want to attack them got a pretty big surprise. This is Tatooine, not exactly the nicest planet, and Tuskens take slaves and poo poo, so I'd imagine there are bounty hunters sent after them or whatever. Plus you could argue that some dumb farmboy or hick would jump at the chance to take down a Tusken if he thought he was alone or separated from the herd.
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Jan 3, 2011 20:51
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I can't, for the life of me, imagine how a post-production stereoscopic effect could look good.
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Jan 3, 2011 20:54
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WhyteRyce posted:Plus you could argue that some dumb farmboy or hick would jump at the chance to take down a Tusken if he thought he was alone or separated from the herd. I was watching Star Wars the other day and I realized how happy and giddy Luke is to grab his SMOOTHBORE HICK RIFLE to go shoot some Tuskans.
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Jan 3, 2011 21:03
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Elentor posted:I can't, for the life of me, imagine how a post-production stereoscopic effect could look good.
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Jan 3, 2011 21:03
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I was just thinking today, the only good things to come out of Star Wars that come to mind were the original trilogy, the Thrawn books, the X-Wing novels, and a few games and action figures.  The EU is so full of contradictory, convoluted, and retarded poo poo I wish they would just do another reboot like they did in the early '90s and clear out everything but the movies. And maybe hire some writers who are actually talented. A man can dream...  Eventually a franchise gets so big and bloated and full of crap, you have to put it down and start over. Worked wonders for Star Trek. Again, it'll never happen, but I'd like to see some new fiction that throws away everything but the original movies and cherry picks a few good ideas from the EU (Thrawn), and actually feels like Star Wars. In other words, a good fun space opera. I don't really care for the idea of a geriatric Luke, Han and Leia fighting space bugs more dangerous than the Empire. I think a big problem with a lot of the post-ROTJ stuff is there isn't really a planned story arc for the characters, and what character development you do get is stretched out over hundreds of books, and probably further than they should go. We don't see any LOTR sequels chronicling Frodo's adventures years after the trilogy, and I have to say, thank God. There isn't a conclusion. All good stories eventually end. ROTJ isn't the logical end of the war and the Empire (unless you're an idiot (George Lucas)) but the majority of characters have reached their culmination. Luke matured into a man, became a Jedi and rejected evil, Han Solo realized he was a decent guy at heart, found his calling and Leia, Lando redeemed himself, Darth Vader had a change in heart and promptly died, etc. etc. It's also the turning point of the war, and because of this Episodes 7-9 probably wouldn't be as interesting because the Rebels are no longer the underdogs.
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Jan 3, 2011 21:11
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Gammatron 64 posted:ROTJ isn't the logical end of the war and the Empire (unless you're an idiot (George Lucas)) but the majority of characters have reached their culmination. Luke matured into a man, became a Jedi and rejected evil, Han Solo realized he was a decent guy at heart, found his calling and Leia, Lando redeemed himself, Darth Vader had a change in heart and promptly died, etc. etc. It's also the turning point of the war, and because of this Episodes 7-9 probably wouldn't be as interesting because the Rebels are no longer the underdogs. Yes 100% entirely spot on. There never needed to be any stupid stories about the three eyeballed son of the emperor trying to find a magic glove because the story reached it's ending in ROTJ. The characters have nothing left to learn or achieve because they already won, killed the bad guys, and went off to live happily ever after. The star wars universe doesn't need poo poo out super powered evil people every other week like it's an episode of dragon ball z. I mean the four armed clone son of Hitler didn't pop out of no where in may of 1945 just to fill the evil quota. It must be pretty tiring to be EU Luke where every day you gotta put down the newest biggest baddest Sith lord only to have someone even more powerful come up the next week.
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Jan 3, 2011 21:24
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About the Tusken Raider quote about walking in a single file to hide numbers. Couldn't someone lean to the left or right to see a line of a hundred sand people? How is a single file practical?
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Jan 3, 2011 22:28
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Donkey Kunt posted:About the Tusken Raider quote about walking in a single file to hide numbers. Couldn't someone lean to the left or right to see a line of a hundred sand people? How is a single file practical? I think he means about the tracks. That way, you can follow the footprints back and not know if it was 5 or 500.
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Jan 3, 2011 22:29
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It always amazes me what needs to be explained
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Jan 3, 2011 22:42
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That's a pretty funny thought though. A bunch of Tusken Raiders out raiding, they hear noises from over a ridge... "Quick, everyone behind me! They'll think we're one sandperson!"
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Jan 3, 2011 22:45
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Donkey Kunt posted:About the Tusken Raider quote about walking in a single file to hide numbers. Couldn't someone lean to the left or right to see a line of a hundred sand people? How is a single file practical? From a distance, you wouldn't be able to do this. It's not like they are going to walk five feet in front of your face, it's to hide when they are off in the distance.
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Jan 3, 2011 22:57
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randombattle posted:Yes 100% entirely spot on. There never needed to be any stupid stories about the three eyeballed son of the emperor trying to find a magic glove because the story reached it's ending in ROTJ. The characters have nothing left to learn or achieve because they already won, killed the bad guys, and went off to live happily ever after. The star wars universe doesn't need poo poo out super powered evil people every other week like it's an episode of dragon ball z. I mean the four armed clone son of Hitler didn't pop out of no where in may of 1945 just to fill the evil quota. Star Wars and the Matrix have gotten to be so much like DBZ. The Star Wars Prequels really are the closest thing I have seen to a live action anime. (Course, not all anime sucks... just most. On a rare occasion you will find one that makes sense and has decent storytelling... sometimes.) Those fandoms seem to crossover a lot. These people are idiots. Though I understand why people buy into the EU. I did it myself at one point before giving up on it. I'm a huge sucker from nostalgia and goofy cheesy stuff. I love comics, Transformers, Godzilla, stupid pulpy sci-fi stuff. And I am a huge sucker for nostalgia. Most of us love the original Star Wars, and it's almost natural for us to want to experience more of it! Sadly the prequels and EU don't capture that nostalgia and don't feel much like Star Wars. And the story was done, but they kept dragging it out of the grave and keeping it on life support as long as possible. And the most damning thing is, given that there are millions of comics and novels and games written by totally unrelated authors, there is no sense of direction and no coherent narrative. Deep down inside, I'd really like to see more Star Wars adventures. We got them, and they were bad. Though in the hands of a few talented writers with a clear direction and a designated endpoint, I do believe you really could expand the Star Wars story. I'm going to contradict myself and say while ROTJ is a perfectly fine endpoint, it did leave some things unresolved, like how (or if!) the Rebels beat the Empire and if Luke restores the Jedi. I'm not gonna lie, when I heard they were making another Clone Wars cartoon, I was disappointed. If it was any good, I would watch the poo poo out of a show that stars Luke and the gang and takes place during the OT. It's such a no brainer, it's shocking that they haven't done it. Does Lucas hate the original movies that much and like the Prequels so much more? I mean really, Mark Hamill was never as high profile as Harrison Ford, but he has a successful career as an cartoon voice actor. And Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Darth Vader and the like are cultural icons, and way more popular and beloved than anybody who appeared in the PT. Nobody gives a poo poo about the adventures of Anakin and Obi-Wan. But the return of the real Star Wars to the small screen? Especially with Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels reprising their roles? (Chances are they would.) That would be like printing money. Regardless of how good people say the Clone Wars is, I can't garner any interest in it because I can't stand the PT characters.
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Jan 3, 2011 23:10
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Gammatron 64 posted:Regardless of how good people say the Clone Wars is, I can't garner any interest in it because I can't stand the PT characters. I really don't get the point of the Clone Wars series, regardless of the quality. It's the story of a farce proxy war fought by Palpatine against Sideous. We've seen the ending, and the entire era has been mined to death already. The whole thing just feels like a cynical cash grab when you consider the actual reasons for the Clone Wars.
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Jan 4, 2011 00:02
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Surly Duff posted:We've seen the ending, and the entire era has been mined to death already. The same can be said about every real war ever. (Well, with a few exceptions.)
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Jan 4, 2011 00:39
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Jerk McJerkface posted:It's not like they are going to walk five feet in front of your face, it's to hide when they are off in the distance. randombattle posted:It must be pretty tiring to be EU Luke where every day you gotta put down the newest biggest baddest Sith lord only to have someone even more powerful come up the next week. Right, ( I've been watching the Plinkett reviews and I've gotten to wondering how the prequels could have been written. Has anyone ever tried a fundamental re-writing? Not just making the lines or stage direction suck less, but completely changing the plot and basis of the characters? I have a vague idea in my head. Episode I - Starts with Obi-wan completing a mission with his non-Anakin padawan. Padawan gets knighted, Obi happy. Talks to Yoda (getting in the air of them being old friends/ former master-apprentice), Yoda suggests that Obi take an older Padawan who's master died - Skywalker. Two initially don't get along, Anakin doesn't agree with Obi's methods, Obi quelling headstrong Anakin. They deal with minor secessionist crisis together, grow closer, form friendship. Anakin's age: ~18 Obi's age: mid-40's Episode II - More Master-Apprentice stuff, bigger secessionist stuff with the reveal of the separatist's clone army. Jedi reluctantly go to war, get asses handed to them across a variety of worlds, Republic begins to crumble, climax of film is formation of regular army of republic (formed from citizens of all species and planets) and a narrow victory to end in minor celebration, with the added hook of 'this isn't over'. Through film Obi and Anakin work with a hot-headed Correlian general and his more peaceful Aalderanian lieutenant Amidala (for want of a name). Two begin to respect each other, despite differing opinions on war, hints of romance by the end of the film. Anakin: mid-to-late 20's, Obi early 50's Episode III - A few years later. War going well, but is costly. Galaxy visibly suffering. Palpetine is a pro-peace senator, with a finger in separatists (indications are he's a war profiteer rather than Sith at this stage). Amidala out of military looking after children by secret-hubby Anakin. Established that Anakin hasn't got home in over a year, hasn't seen child yet (doesn't know about twins). Palpetine leans on Anakin to end war quickly, encouraging vicious tatics from Anakin, draws some criticism, but he still acts as an admittedly pragmatic Jedi, so not much ire from council. OtherJedi follow his lead, start of mistrust of Jedi in Galactic populace. Anakin gets close to Palpetine. SHOCK HORROR! Amidala's home city/planet attacked! Amidala assumed dead! Anakin tries to deal with grief, covers reasonably well to Jedi. Tells all to Plapetine, who convinces him to take righteous revenge. He does, but becomes more dark in doing so, committing borderline war crimes for victory. Other Jedi still follow. Council become wary. Eventually Palpetine pushes Anakin into committing a true atrocity. Republic senate and galactic population blame Jedi as a whole and cast them out, blaming them (with Palpetine's help) for continuing war and suffering. Jedi ostracized and hunted down. Obi + Yoda try to help Amidala get away back to Anakin and into hiding. He mistakes it as an abduction and attacks (still doesn't see second child). Obi and Yoda leave him stranded and take children to hide with help of Amidala's Aalderanian friends. Few surviving Jedi track down Anakin and punish him as a Sith. Anakin kills them all, but is left mortally wounded. Palpetine comes along, reveals himself as sith and pulls Anakin properly over to the dark side. Anakin becomes Darth Vader after his nickname among separatist leaders. Palpetine also gets elected at head of Senate on Peace platform. End of film with Yoda on Dagoba, Leia on Aalderan, Luke and Obi on tatooine. Anakin: early 30's Obi: late 50's. This leads into OT with Yoda actually having been Obi's master, Leia remembering her real mother and Obi actually being 'too old for this' at 70ish. This is a very rough outline, and I get that some of it makes no sense, but the principle is (I think) sound. What if the prequels were completely different? Could they be made good? Any thoughts?
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Jan 4, 2011 00:42
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Gammatron 64 posted:I can't garner any interest in it because I can't stand the PT characters. The problem is that the prequels didn't have any characters...
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Jan 4, 2011 01:47
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SkunkDuster posted:Obi Wan says that Tusken Raiders walk in single file to hide their numbers. Hide their numbers from who? Seems like Krayt dragons are the only thing that scares them. The fact that even Obi Wan didn't want to be around when they came back implies that they aren't to be taken lightly, and they live in lovely huts with nothing worth stealing, so who are they hiding from? I'm going to  here and say it's probably for a tactical reason. If you can hide your numbers then you are using deception against whoever you're going to attack. If they think there's 2 they'll plan for 2. When you bring 10 they'll pretty much cry and pee.If you never can tell how many there are, you'll never be able to accurately plan a fight against them.
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Jan 4, 2011 02:00
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In Star Wars, do they have the equivalent of a fighter jet for in atmosphere battle? Or do the space fighters have the ability to fight within the atmosphere? If they do exist, were they ever mentioned as canon or is it part of the EU?
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Jan 4, 2011 02:53
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The space fighters can fly in the atmosphere, it happens a decent amount in the EU.
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Jan 4, 2011 02:55
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Donkey Kunt posted:In Star Wars, do they have the equivalent of a fighter jet for in atmosphere battle? Or do the space fighters have the ability to fight within the atmosphere? If they do exist, were they ever mentioned as canon or is it part of the EU? How quickly they forget... 
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