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movax posted:Though screaming about 23.976 vs 24.000 is a new one to me. No, I don't think it's that.
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JawnV6 posted:If any of the other SNB vets in FM want to meet up for lunch or at least to awkwardly stare at each other's shoes, hit me up on PM. Sorry I spend my lunches browsing SA internet forums in the lab.
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If you're not planning on doing any overclocking, is there any point at all in getting the K versions of these chips? I was planning on getting a 2500. I have been told: "Overclocking the thing will be dead simple if you're not trying to max it out, and the cost increase is so minimal I personally think it would be worth it. It's only $11 more, after all. Any particular reason you're opposed to overclocking?". The thing is, I've always thought that overclocking gives you minimal performance at the cost of stability. Is this no longer the case? Am I a fool for not getting the 2500k?
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Gunder posted:If you're not planning on doing any overclocking, is there any point at all in getting the K versions of these chips? I was planning on getting a 2500. I have been told: "Overclocking the thing will be dead simple if you're not trying to max it out, and the cost increase is so minimal I personally think it would be worth it. It's only $11 more, after all. Any particular reason you're opposed to overclocking?". The thing is, I've always thought that overclocking gives you minimal performance at the cost of stability. Is this no longer the case? Am I a fool for not getting the 2500k? It never was the case really, and the whole overclocking game has changed with Sandy Bridge so even if were once remotely true, it isn't anymore. Overclocking on Sandy Bridge no longer messes with the system buses and whatever happens to be running on them, it simply changes the multiplier on the cpu, leaving the rest of the system untouched. It's literally free performance, but is just there to appease enthusiasts who would otherwise move to AMD- Sandy Bridge is actually kind of a halfway step to eliminating overclocking. Intel has wanted to cut off overclockers forever, but AMD remaining somewhat competitive for the past decade has prevented them from doing it. It's a mindshare thing more than anything. greasyhands fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 3, 2011 |
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redeyes posted:also, Marvel Yukon PCI-E Gig nics loving rock. You can get a nice Rosewill one from newegg for 25ish bucks. Didn't Marvel buy some (all?) of that business from Intel? Or was that XScale? Gunder posted:If you're not planning on doing any overclocking, is there any point at all in getting the K versions of these chips? I was planning on getting a 2500. I have been told: "Overclocking the thing will be dead simple if you're not trying to max it out, and the cost increase is so minimal I personally think it would be worth it. It's only $11 more, after all. Any particular reason you're opposed to overclocking?". The thing is, I've always thought that overclocking gives you minimal performance at the cost of stability. Is this no longer the case? Am I a fool for not getting the 2500k? Of course, if your application demands VT-d and TXT, then the choice is forced upon you. graph posted:No, I don't think it's that. Also, lots of Intel goons ITT.
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Does Intel's launch include Sandy-bridge based Xeons?
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movax posted:I think everyone should seriously consider the "splurge" for getting the Intel solution; your torrents will thank you. Do you have any links to reviews or proof for this? I have some cheap Attansic onboard gigabit card on my old C2D motherboard but i've never had any issue with torrenting. But i'm currently only on some 20Mbit connection and i'll be switching to cheaper 100Mbit which might change it, so Iim interested if there's any gains for paying 30$ for an Intel NIC. Mayne fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 3, 2011 |
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Sorry for reposting this but it was the last post in the previous page:punk rebel ecks posted:So being that the 2500k costs Intel $216, how much will it likely sell for on a site like say Newegg? So nobody has any idea going by previous CPU releases? Will it cost only a couple more bucks or will it gain a huge premium?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Sorry for reposting this but it was the last post in the previous page: It largely depends on how many of these processors vendors like Newegg are getting in. There's no way to be certain what demand will be like either. Just wait 2 days for them to come out and you'll have your answer.
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shodanjr_gr posted:Does Intel's launch include Sandy-bridge based Xeons? punk rebel ecks posted:So being that the 2500k costs Intel $216, how much will it likely sell for on a site like say Newegg?
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LooKMaN posted:Do you have any links to reviews or proof for this? I have some cheap Attansic onboard gigabit card on my old C2D motherboard but i've never had any issue with torrenting. But i'm currently only on some 20Mbit connection and i'll be switching to cheaper 100Mbit which might change it, so Iim interested if there's any gains for paying 30$ for an Intel NIC. I'll try to dig up what I can, but to be perfectly honest, my bias towards Intel cards stems from their awesome performance in a few ipcop and pfSense routers I've built (and reports of it on mailing lists), and the lack of awesome performance from Realtek, Broadcom and Atheros add-in or integrated cards in the same systems. I know that there was a length thread on the Atheros sucking on my current mobo (P5Q Pro if I remember correctly), so I purchased an Intel PCIe GigE NIC, and gained jumbo frame support, and stopped losing connectivity intermittently whilst torrenting. I also stream everything from a NAS, so maybe I was just abusing my card more than the average user. I still think folks should go for it if the price difference is negligible/you get other goodies for splurging (like more SATA, SLI, etc). @punk rebel ecks: newegg has always price gouged, I don't remember how much E6600s were when they came out on the egg, but I do remember waiting like 3 months to get one. I think the Ks will see more of a premium, because newegg knows enthusiasts will pay for it and that a lot of people will want one
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Could somebody break down for me what VT-d and TXT are and how they affect system performance? I've tried looking it up for myself but the amount of jargon is enough to make a legislator blush.
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I too would like VT-d explained. To my understanding my E8400 doesn't have VT-d but it can run VMs
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Lief posted:Could somebody break down for me what VT-d and TXT are and how they affect system performance? I've tried looking it up for myself but the amount of jargon is enough to make a legislator blush. If you have to ask what TXT is, it probably isn't for you. From what I've seen, it's really geared for business use, and really shines when some disgruntled employees steals a desktop (or loses a laptop) and the data on the machine hopefully remains safe. Pretty sure it needs a TPM to even function. VT-d is a virtualization extension that boosts performance of guest VMs by giving them among other things, DMA access to host hardware (basically the ability to remap DMA and interrupts). I want to say that this is most helpful when you're running a bare metal hypervisor like ESX, but I'm not 100% sure about that. I don't think the average enthusiast would miss either of these (especially not TXT) in return for having an unlocked multiplier; I know I won't. ^^ VT-x is the generic virtualization tech that Intel intro'd to match up with AMD's AMD-V. It gives you extended page tables from the CPU, stopping the VM monitor from having to handle page faults. VT-c is for network stuff, I don't know too much more about that. An Intel brief I saw split them up thusly: CPU is VT-x, Chipset is VT-d and Network is VT-c. It was some Xeon 5500 virtualization brief. e: You don't need any specific hardware extensions to virtualize. Having them could greatly enhance your VM performance, however. movax fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jan 4, 2011 |
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I think I nice i5-2500K plus whatever Asus motherboard to suit will be a good start for replacing my old Q6600 computer. Pretty pleased with the performance increase with SB.
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I want the cheapest motherboard with: * x8/x8 PCIe slots. None of this stupid x16/x4 crap that some manufacturers are doing. * EFI * Not poo poo quality. I wonder if I can get a board like that for $100.
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Wedesdo posted:I want the cheapest motherboard with: Well, for what it's worth, I was just at Fry's here in San Diego, and they had the Asus P8P67 Evo and Pro in stock. I picked up the Evo for just over $200, but the Pro was priced reasonably below that, around $140 if I remember correctly, so you should probably be able to pick up the base model P8P67 for $100 or just above.
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Octopode posted:Well, for what it's worth, I was just at Fry's here in San Diego, and they had the Asus P8P67 Evo and Pro in stock. I picked up the Evo for just over $200, but the Pro was priced reasonably below that, around $140 if I remember correctly, so you should probably be able to pick up the base model P8P67 for $100 or just above. I wish I had Fry's! I plan on getting the Pro, I wonder if Fry's.com or outpost.com has them... The base P8P67 isn't bad, Legit Reviews got one. They said it cost $160.00 though.
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movax posted:I wish I had Fry's! I plan on getting the Pro, I wonder if Fry's.com or outpost.com has them... The P8P67 has a 16x/4x split for the PCIe lanes. And if you use the 4x electrical slot, all the 1x slots get deactivated.
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Will pretty much any basic Asus/Gigabyte/MSI etc ATX P67 motherboard allow you to OC the 2500K, or will we have to spend a few tens of dollars more for one that will let you change the 2500K's unlocked multiplier? I think I heard, or maybe I dreamed, that you needed a slightly fancier motherboard to do just that. Hopefully I just misread a comment on a forgotten forum somewhere or something.
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Wedesdo posted:The P8P67 has a 16x/4x split for the PCIe lanes. And if you use the 4x electrical slot, all the 1x slots get deactivated. Hm, that's right, it doesn't have the PLX PCIe switch to offer up some more lanes. PCIe lanes are in such short supply Still, for a single GPU user that wants a decent board, should be fine (along with its Gigabyte rival). I can imagine someone having a single GPU and a x4 RAID card or something, or maybe single GPU + x1 NIC, x1 sound card. e: Oh good, there are still PCI slots!
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How are we regressing with reguards to PCIE slots
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Alereon posted:No, those launch in Q4. Excellent. That means I can build a new highend PC for only a bit more than $600 in a few months.
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incoherent posted:How are we regressing with reguards to PCIE slots Good question. I'm pretty sure this X58 board has 40 lanes, I imagined the Sandy Bridge stuff would have at least 32.
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Fats posted:Good question. I'm pretty sure this X58 board has 40 lanes, I imagined the Sandy Bridge stuff would have at least 32. X58 is a high-end, enthusiast product, not a mainstream one which is what you are comparing it do.
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incoherent posted:How are we regressing with reguards to PCIE slots PCIe 2.0 bandwidth is good enough so that you don't need more than 8 lanes so even the Crossfire/SLI users will be OK. Its if you want to use Crossfire/SLI _and_ a 4x or 8x PCIe RAID card _and_ PCIe x1 sound card or NIC that you end up screwed. Not many people do that sort of think though so the fine folks at Intel don't really care.
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The LGA2011 variant this fall is going to have 40 or something lanes.
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Combat Pretzel posted:The LGA2011 variant this fall is going to have 40 or something lanes. And, apparently, 4 memory channels instead of the usual 2 for 1156 or 3 for 1366.
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WhyteRyce posted:X58 is a high-end, enthusiast product, not a mainstream one which is what you are comparing it do. I agree somewhat with this that yeah, we dont need 4 16x lanes, but most P55 mid-high end mobo manufactures were able to eek out 8x/8x/4x/1x configs.
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incoherent posted:I agree somewhat with this that yeah, we dont need 4 16x lanes, but most P55 mid-high end mobo manufactures were able to eek out 8x/8x/4x/1x configs. You only have so many PCIe lanes on the PCH. The number of PCIe lanes on the PCH is still the same as it was on P55. Nothing in the configuration has changed except that all the lanes now can do gen 2 speeds. If you have less PCIe slots available it's because manufacturers insist on sticking useless poo poo like Firewire, a third party SATA controller, second NIC, or a PCIe->IDE chip on their high end boards. Or they decide that it's worth sticking a couple of PCI slots on the board instead of PCIe. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jan 4, 2011 |
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incoherent posted:I agree somewhat with this that yeah, we dont need 4 16x lanes, but most P55 mid-high end mobo manufactures were able to eek out 8x/8x/4x/1x configs.
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Oh, what the gently caress? HW virtualization is gone on the K models? Yeah, not buying Sandy Bridge now. Why the gently caress can't I have both overclocking and virtualization?
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MTW posted:Oh, what the gently caress? HW virtualization is gone on the K models? Yeah, not buying Sandy Bridge now.
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Alereon posted:You get VT-x, but not VT-d. Check movax's post up the page a bit for details of what these are. In short, it probably doesn't matter for desktop virtualization applications. Oh, ok. Am I losing performance by giving up VT-d? I often have two or more virtualized machines running.
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Seeing the i3 variants not being overclockable is tremendously disappointing. I was looking at building a cheap pc for running dolphin and pcsx2 emulators (they only use 2 cores). Having a ~$100 4.5ghz cpu would have rocked.
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Not sure how Windows does it right now, but other operating systems use the IOMMU from VT-d for various driver related things outside of virtualisation, for performance reasons.
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Combat Pretzel posted:The LGA2011 variant this fall is going to have 40 or something lanes.
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Second Sun posted:Seeing the i3 variants not being overclockable is tremendously disappointing. I was looking at building a cheap pc for running dolphin and pcsx2 emulators (they only use 2 cores). Having a ~$100 4.5ghz cpu would have rocked.
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Anyone know the employee discount Intel gives their employees for hardware? My friend's brother works for Intel and I'm wondering if it would be worth it to ask him for a favor. If its only 5-10% with a lot of hoops to jump through its not worth it but if not, I may just ask.
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Roving Reporter posted:Anyone know the employee discount Intel gives their employees for hardware? My friend's brother works for Intel and I'm wondering if it would be worth it to ask him for a favor. it's roughly ~50% for Intel products.
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