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365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine

yes ftw obvious statements ftw

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poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

Reichstag posted:

yes ftw obvious statements ftw

If you don't find his quote amusing when looking at the photo, there is something wrong with your sense of humor.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


I cannot figure out why Nick Nolte is in Zuckerman's 'Wisdom'.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?
Maybe he's just a fan of rephotgraphy.

Cross_
Aug 22, 2008
The Dorkroom consensus on Ken Rockwell is quite obvious, but what about one-book-per-month author Scott Kelby ?

I have just finished his 3 Digital Photography books and don't quite know what to think about him. His advice in the books seems to span the gamut from "hey that's useful" to "duh!" to "Lower voltage=faster flash? Sure buddy..hire a real editor next time".

Myrmidongs
Oct 26, 2010

Cross_ posted:

The Dorkroom consensus on Ken Rockwell is quite obvious, but what about one-book-per-month author Scott Kelby ?

I have just finished his 3 Digital Photography books and don't quite know what to think about him. His advice in the books seems to span the gamut from "hey that's useful" to "duh!" to "Lower voltage=faster flash? Sure buddy..hire a real editor next time".

I think Kelby is a skilled person, but he also recognizes that he can make a huge cash in by taking the first chapters of a photography 101 textbook, and "writing" his own over the course of about a dozen volumes.

BobTheCow
Dec 11, 2004

That's a thing?

Myrmidongs posted:

I think Kelby is a skilled person, but he also recognizes that he can make a huge cash in by taking the first chapters of a photography 101 textbook, and "writing" his own over the course of about a dozen volumes.

I'd say that's a fair assessment. I read his first book when I knew gently caress all about photography, and it helped make a few somewhat abstract concepts click, but I wouldn't recommend it for anybody who has even a rudimentary understanding of photography already. I think in the long term I gained more just keeping up with these forms and talking with local photographers when I had questions or problems.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?
Kelby training online is worth it for a month or two after you get your feet wet. Just to see what others are doing in a behind the scenes kind of way. Kelby himself, I applaud him for being able to make cash on newbies. I don't find him annoying or misleading like KRock.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Far as photo books go, how do people like The Hotshoe Diaries?

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

DJExile posted:

Far as photo books go, how do people like The Hotshoe Diaries?

It's great and you should buy it.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?
edit: wrong drat thread and moved to Medium Format thread.

AIIAZNSK8ER fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 7, 2011

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.

AIIAZNSK8ER posted:

I really like taking full length environmental portraits wide open with my 85. I'm also liking the feel of an even longer lens. But I have to keep getting farther and farther away. From what I can tell, Medium format is going to give me a couple things. Shallower depth of field, more detail, and a closer working distance. These are all things that I really want to explore. I want to work with strobes as well, so it would have to have a hot shoe or a pc sync port.

Should I be saving up for a Hasselblad 500 with an 80 2.8? Is there something else that is easier/cheaper to learn on. I'm not against buying uggo bodies if it's a good value. What I want to avoid something clunky that I'm going to have to fight with.

Bronicas get a bit of a bad rap with pros but I love mine and it's been nothing but reliable. I have an ETRs, which is a 645, but unlike other 645 cameras it has a leaf shutter for flash syncing all the way up. I'm 99% sure their 6x6 cameras do as well.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

McMadCow posted:

Bronicas get a bit of a bad rap with pros but I love mine and it's been nothing but reliable. I have an ETRs, which is a 645, but unlike other 645 cameras it has a leaf shutter for flash syncing all the way up. I'm 99% sure their 6x6 cameras do as well.

Normally flash sync speed wouldn't be a huge huge deal, but the thing with medium format cameras is that the focal plane shutters can be glacially slow with sync speeds like 1/60.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


kefkafloyd posted:

It's great and you should buy it.

Killer, thanks :toot:

vvv Ah, thanks also

DJExile fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 7, 2011

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


DJExile posted:

Far as photo books go, how do people like The Hotshoe Diaries?
I would just grab it from a library. He goes into a bit of detail, but it's more about his process, mindset, and experiences. A great read, but I own it and haven't really picked it up since I first read it.

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.

HPL posted:

Normally flash sync speed wouldn't be a huge huge deal, but the thing with medium format cameras is that the focal plane shutters can be glacially slow with sync speeds like 1/60.

Yeah, the Mamiya 645 syncs ar 1/60. The Kiev 80 (Hassy clone) syncs at 1/30. That's basically unusable on location.

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

Interrupting Moss posted:

I would just grab it from a library. He goes into a bit of detail, but it's more about his process, mindset, and experiences. A great read, but I own it and haven't really picked it up since I first read it.

Is "Hot Shoe Diaries" like "From The Moment It Clicks". Honestly I hated the latter. No doubt Joe McNally is an excellent photographer.. but I felt like a lot of his book, while explaining what he was doing, also basically said "but you can't do this because you don't have the countless dollars I do for equipment."

I didn't feel like I really walked away from that book with much other than checking out some neat photographs.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


I've not picked up The Moment It Clicks so I can't tell you.

burzum karaoke
May 30, 2003

Is there enough interest to bring back the themed photo-contest threads? I'm guessing lack of interest/submissions is why they stopped, but I'm sure I'm not the only one looking for any extra bits of motivation to shoot in the cold weather.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
I could be persuaded to engage in a theme. No promises until I see what the theme will be, but I could use a motivation boost, too.

psylent
Nov 29, 2000

Pillbug
I :google:'d Hot Shoe Diaries and it looks like it's actually online

ebook

Mannequin
Mar 8, 2003

psylent posted:

I :google:'d Hot Shoe Diaries and it looks like it's actually online

ebook

That's pretty good considering it's in my Amazon shopping cart at the moment and I was going to buy it any day now. However, I hate reading books on the computer. Nevertheless, that's a pretty good deal right there.

Captain Postal
Sep 16, 2007
every 7th and 8th page is missing. So much for cheaping out :(

OJ.SImpson
Jan 20, 2001

benisntfunny posted:

Is "Hot Shoe Diaries" like "From The Moment It Clicks". Honestly I hated the latter. No doubt Joe McNally is an excellent photographer.. but I felt like a lot of his book, while explaining what he was doing, also basically said "but you can't do this because you don't have the countless dollars I do for equipment."

I didn't feel like I really walked away from that book with much other than checking out some neat photographs.

While there are many times he uses just one flash in HSD, more often than not he goes into great detail on using more than 1 flash. If that is countless dolars to you, i dont know. You could always pick up some vivitar flashes for super cheap borrow a bunch of triggers and recreate the whole thing minus the TTL.

He has some diagrams on where the light placement is and the e/v of the flashes. HSD and the moment it clicks are very similar, I would say HSD is more detailed and specific about how he made the shots and a little less about the experience of the shoot itself.

I like both books very much. I find his writing style really interesting. And while it isnt an art book, it is kind of like meeting a photographer in a bar that sits down and tells you stories while doodling lighting set ups on a napkin.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Mannequin posted:

That's pretty good considering it's in my Amazon shopping cart at the moment and I was going to buy it any day now. However, I hate reading books on the computer. Nevertheless, that's a pretty good deal right there.

It's time man. Kindle wifi is $139.

psylent
Nov 29, 2000

Pillbug
When I can get a colour e-ink device for under $200 I'll buy one. Until then, I'm holding out.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

psylent posted:

When I can get a colour e-ink device for under $200 I'll buy one. Until then, I'm holding out.

I understand the impulse, but I read constantly, and none of the books I read have color illustrations.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

The kindle is great. It's nice that someone is still designing devices that do one thing superbly than a gadget that can do a couple of things well, and a few more things okay.

I find Joe McNally an interesting case. I don't think he's a particularly exceptional photographer but he is a good communicator especially about professional photography. A lot of his work I think comes from good networking and contacts in a time where magazines like Nat Geo had a lot of money to throw around.

He's competent but if I had to hire someone I could think of a lot better specialists in almost every field.

I can't really comment for the Hot Shoe Diaries but the Moment it Clicks was to me more valuable for the anecdotes and writeups than the photographs themselves.

Zach Arias of "one light" fame has put out a magazine that has some great content. Breaks down lighting and explains a bit of theory - not too heavy but it has more substance than "Do X" - it's more "To get this effect I tried X, then adjusted Y until I achieved Z"

bobmarleysghost
Mar 7, 2006



A short film about the guy who does the Sartorialist blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5NgG5koPZU

ZoCrowes
Nov 17, 2005

by Lowtax

Santa is strapped posted:

A short film about the guy who does the Sartorialist blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5NgG5koPZU

I've talked about him before but Schuman is one of my favorite fashion photographers. I really dig his fashion philosophy. It does not matter if you're wearing a $2,000 Burberry Trench or a $60 one from Target if you can make it work and look interesting he wants to take your picture. You don't even have to look like a runway model. You just need to be confident in your look. It's very egalitarian and it speaks to people like me who can't always afford the most expensive clothes but actually give a drat about what I'm wearing.

Does not hurt that his photos look good too.

Lastly, I want to go to that barber he went to. Old school as can be but the barber's got some sleeve tats.

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

OJ.SImpson posted:

While there are many times he uses just one flash in HSD, more often than not he goes into great detail on using more than 1 flash. If that is countless dolars to you, i dont know. You could always pick up some vivitar flashes for super cheap borrow a bunch of triggers and recreate the whole thing minus the TTL.

yeah, not exactly. Countless dollars are when he a) showed off a giant collection of gear and basically said I can't afford it and b) showed super elaborate shot stagings that he was set up with through other people fronting the bill.

I have 2 580ex II flashes, 2 travelite 750s and 3 pocket wizards - just think there are better books that offer more value and was wondering of hsd was more of the same.

psylent
Nov 29, 2000

Pillbug

torgeaux posted:

I understand the impulse, but I read constantly, and none of the books I read have color illustrations.
I do all of my reading on my phone at the moment, and all of that is just plain text. The reason I want a colour ebook reader is mostly for manuals/instructional books.

Actually the device I really want would be a tablet PC/iPad thingy with an e-ink layer over the display.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

psylent posted:

I do all of my reading on my phone at the moment, and all of that is just plain text. The reason I want a colour ebook reader is mostly for manuals/instructional books.

Actually the device I really want would be a tablet PC/iPad thingy with an e-ink layer over the display.

I want a tablet, but I can't for the life of me think of what I'll use it for. It's an elegant solution without a problem to solve.

I think they'll eventually be great to show portfolios for photographers, but until the battery life, weight and screen issues are resolved, they're second best (at best) as ereaders.

PixelQ has a neat eink/LCD dual purpose screen looks to be in devices this year. A tablet with that could be great.

On another topic, flickr groups. I belong to just a few. I've been shooting a lot of building/landscape stuff in my work neighborhood, so I looked to see if there was a group...there were a couple. No problem, I put some shots up and checked occasionally to see what other people were shooting. Jesus. This is a group about Arlington, Virginia. There's a bad cell phone shot, maybe 200 x 200, of a car wash display. Nothing to link it to the group, at all. I looked, and the picture is spammed to 14 groups. 14! What the hell are people thinking?

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

torgeaux posted:

What the hell are people thinking?

Welcome to Flickr, home of weirdos trying to amass lovely awards, foot fetishists and photographers desperately trying to pretend the other two groups don't exist. I'm guilty of belonging to a ton of groups but I rarely submit my photos to more than three or four.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

8th-samurai posted:

Welcome to Flickr, home of weirdos trying to amass lovely awards, foot fetishists and photographers desperately trying to pretend the other two groups don't exist. I'm guilty of belonging to a ton of groups but I rarely submit my photos to more than three or four.

Hey, I have no issue belonging to tons of groups. Or even submitting a picture to lots of RELEVANT groups. Sure, spamming kind of sucks, but if you want to belong to IMPACT HIGH COLOR photo group, fine.

But, don't submit your black and white shots to it. drat these guys are just shameless.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

What annoys me is when people "refresh" or "update" images so they reappear on their timeline. I swear this guy has been bumping one image for nearly a year.

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

Paragon8 posted:

What annoys me is when people "refresh" or "update" images so they reappear on their timeline. I swear this guy has been bumping one image for nearly a year.

FlckRa timeline layout bothers me. I sometimes process a really old photo and add it... Now all of a sudden I have work from two years ago as recent. Bleh. Timeline is fine but not by the default way of showing my shots. I'm aware of sets and groups but I don't want to open people up to a page full of sets either. I like the look of the stream just not the idea behind it.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

benisntfunny posted:

FlckRa timeline layout bothers me. I sometimes process a really old photo and add it... Now all of a sudden I have work from two years ago as recent. Bleh. Timeline is fine but not by the default way of showing my shots. I'm aware of sets and groups but I don't want to open people up to a page full of sets either. I like the look of the stream just not the idea behind it.

Yeah, the stream is a bit limiting. It'd be nice if flickr let you set up a "cover page" of your best images which would be where people land on if they navigate to https://www.flickr.com/username and from there you click into stream.

benisntfunny
Dec 2, 2004
I'm Perfect.

Paragon8 posted:

Yeah, the stream is a bit limiting. It'd be nice if flickr let you set up a "cover page" of your best images which would be where people land on if they navigate to https://www.flickr.com/username and from there you click into stream.

Exactly. It's one of the main reasons I only put small sets of work on flickr... Which in a way guess benefits them.

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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

torgeaux posted:

I want a tablet, but I can't for the life of me think of what I'll use it for. It's an elegant solution without a problem to solve.

That's one of those things you say until you've owned one for a week or so.

The wife and I love the poo poo out of our ipad.. it's our gps, find stuff to do, preview+upload pictures for the family, stream netflix on the road do-everything device.

I swear I feel like I'm on Star Trek using that thing.

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