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Ainsley McTree posted:YOU CAN'T GIVE BLOWJOBS TO WOMEN I hope you learned your lesson. (What was it?)
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I come not for taco chat, but for lawoffice management chat: My office uses these loving things. They are retarded, expensive, and messy. My boss won't let me handwrite them either, I have to use a godforsaken typewriter. ETA because the partners and the senior secretary are all loving old and resistant to change on top of nickel and diming every goddamn purchase, we don't get the ones you can use with a printer. This can't be what new attorneys are doing for file management. Please tell me it isn't. remote control carnivore fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jan 8, 2011 |
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Jan 8, 2011 17:46
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My grades were stellar last semester, apparently, unless I bomb the one class I'm waiting on for a grade it was my best semester yet. I virtually never went to those classes, at the end skipping them because I didn't know where we were in the book so I couldn't prepare. Well, it's not looking good for my attendance for my final semester.
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Jan 8, 2011 18:14
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billion dollar bitch posted:In absentia what's your gchat? Your email isn't in your profile. peterk13 is my gmail / gchat. I have company this weekend and might not be on chat much before Monday. I would say securities regulation would be helpful beforehand just so you have some of the core terminology. Of course, I didn't do this and instead sort of flipped through a study aid. That was more than enough, really. Also, yes, DC is more likely to get you a job, followed by NY, and somewhat distantly by Chicago. Any other region is close to 0%.
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Jan 8, 2011 18:15
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Lilosh posted:Cornell grades posted today! Congrats! In sadder news, it is a beautiful Saturday in Atlanta and I am reading about administrative law.
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Jan 8, 2011 18:19
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evilweasel posted:My grades were stellar last semester, apparently, unless I bomb the one class I'm waiting on for a grade it was my best semester yet. I virtually never went to those classes, at the end skipping them because I didn't know where we were in the book so I couldn't prepare. Ugh when did you get your grades? Don't they have some kind of deadline or something?
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Jan 8, 2011 18:20
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prussian advisor posted:Ugh when did you get your grades? Don't they have some kind of deadline or something? I got one a week ago and two today. And sure, they've got a deadline, but it's not like anyone is going to hold them to it or anything.
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Jan 8, 2011 18:24
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Lilosh posted:Cornell grades posted today! Congrats man, really good work. In sadder news, I'm writing a paper for Contemporary Con Law instead of being glued to the tube for the Seahawks game. Why did I choose this class you might ask? Because I'm a glutton for punishment with delusions of grandeur that I'll get a clerkship.
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Jan 8, 2011 20:01
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Chakron posted:I hope you learned your lesson. The lesson is to not have gone to law school
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Jan 8, 2011 20:27
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Save me jeebus posted:I come not for taco chat, but for lawoffice management chat: These suck. My firm uses a set up sheet that looks something like that but I handwrite it. Juris Suite is our timekeeping software which beats the everliving poo poo out of keeping time by hand. Worldox is our file management software, which I don't like but which is good enough I guess.
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Jan 8, 2011 22:28
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Ainsley McTree posted:YOU CAN'T GIVE BLOWJOBS TO WOMEN Dude that is great news, congratulations!
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Jan 9, 2011 00:11
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Defleshed posted:Dude that is great news, congratulations! Wish I had that job, seriouspost.
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Jan 9, 2011 00:51
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Linguica posted:This is the new reality. A recent law school graduate lands a $40k/yr job that has nothing to do with law and gets sincerely congratulated for it. Not that recent, I had 17 months of unemployment first My first order of business is to pay back my mom for all those months she bailed me out on my rent AND I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT
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Jan 9, 2011 00:54
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Ainsley McTree posted:Not that recent, I had 17 months of unemployment first How bad are your student loan monthly payments?
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Jan 9, 2011 01:30
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Ganon posted:How bad are your student loan monthly payments? Currently I have $50,000 owed to access group in private loans; I pay them $336 a month, though I think that's scheduled to increase gradually (I really should look into it). My $100k in federal debt is IBR'd so it's...well I guess I have to call them and tell them I have a job now
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Jan 9, 2011 01:33
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The New York Times posted an article today that basically condenses this thread into a news format. I had read this thread back when I was considering law school (I decided to get a job right out of college instead), but I never knew the extent to which law schools actively and shamelessly manage their statistics and rankings. The NYT article uncovers some pretty shameful poo poo.
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Jan 9, 2011 02:24
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quote:WHEN he start in 2006, Michael Wallerstein knew little about the Thomas Jefferson School of Law, other than that it was in San Diego, which seemed like a fine place to spend three years. 
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Jan 9, 2011 02:50
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Save me jeebus posted:I come not for taco chat, but for lawoffice management chat: TimeMatters was bought by Lexis a while ago and is probably the most comprehensive, but it isn't cloud-based (yet). TimeMatters apparently does awesome stuff like let you set up scripts to put every e-mail from a client into their folder and pdf it. I want to set up some good systems as I go forward, but that poo poo takes a lot of time. edit: just thank your lucky stars that you don't do client conflict checks on an index card system. I know some older attorneys who do exactly that.
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Jan 9, 2011 02:55
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Linguica posted:It's sort of unfortunate that they chose someone who is obviously very very dumb to be their poster child for the law school debt problem. But still a pretty good article. Fairly thorough. Another highlight, clarifying how someone can rack up $250k in debt: quote:WHEN Mr. Wallerstein started at Thomas Jefferson, he was in no mood for austerity. He borrowed so much that before the start of his first semester he nearly put a down payment on a $350,000 two-bedroom, two-bath condo, figuring that the investment would earn a profit by the time he graduated.
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Jan 9, 2011 03:47
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I've been screaming about data exaggeration for seven years now. Just now the Times figures it out? Jesus.quote:Solving the J.D. overabundance problem, according to Professor Henderson, will have to involve one very drastic measure: a bunch of lower-tier law schools will need to close. But nobody inside of the legal establishment, he predicts, has the stomach for that. “Ultimately,” he says, “some public authority will have to step in because law schools and lawyers are incapable of policing themselves.” Or, how about going all Cali, and not making law school mandatory? It's getting obvious that you can learn in one summer all you need to know, and you learn more in the first 6 months on the job than you ever would over the three years, so save law school for those who are going for the extra training in specialized areas.
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Jan 9, 2011 04:05
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mushi posted:edit: just thank your lucky stars that you don't do client conflict checks on an index card system. I know some older attorneys who do exactly that. Jesus. We actually use TimeSlips for tracking of billables, but use the LawDex carbon copies for physical file creation, plus I send the blue copy to the bookkeeper for her work, which is primarily in PeachTree. I do very little on the financial end, outside of looking up balances for clients or entering my boss' time. I confess I don't know a whole lot about how to manage a small law firm but it seems awfully more fractured than it ought to be to me, and frankly as a Cold Y the concept of carbon copies in a modern office just blows my little mind. I doubt I could sell the other partners on a different system (Read: old and set in their ways) but my boss is pretty open to new things. It's getting the others to follow suit that's difficult.
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Abugadu posted:
That sounds like a pretty roundabout way of dealing with the problem. Is the idea that people would then abandon getting JDs and most schools would go out of business? Would firms hire people who didn't go to law school? I'm not sure. I think something needs to change in the way that huge loans are given to people who are barely adults. It's not something unique to legal education, the same outsized loans are being handed out to 18 year olds so that they can get bachelors degrees. I don't really know how to do that without having the side effect of limiting access and opportunities for lots of people. The incentives for the people running the educational system are not aligned toward the best interests of students or society. There must be a way to change that without leaving lots of people behind.
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Jan 9, 2011 04:36
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jake1357 posted:I think something needs to change in the way that huge loans are given to people who are barely adults. It's not something unique to legal education, the same outsized loans are being handed out to 18 year olds so that they can get bachelors degrees. I don't really know how to do that without having the side effect of limiting access and opportunities for lots of people. The incentives for the people running the educational system are not aligned toward the best interests of students or society. There must be a way to change that without leaving lots of people behind. Tie federally guaranteed student loans to the employment rate of the school. Make the federal government, which after all guarantees these loans, in charge of gathering accurate numbers on bar passage rates, salary and employment information. Then make all other student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy. The end (of 100+ terrible law schools.)
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Jan 9, 2011 05:28
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Despair not, jobless lawyers. You, too, can become a LAWDOG: http://www.law-dog.com/lawyer_inquiries.html
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Jan 9, 2011 05:30
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Stunt Rock posted:Despair not, jobless lawyers. You, too, can become a LAWDOG: There was actually a little hotdog shack/law office in the San Fernando Valley called "Lawdogs." Operating as recently as the early 00s. I am not making this up. Cite quote:At one time, Cupid's had competition from Law Dogs, the brainchild of lawyer Kim H. Pearman. He opened six Law Dogs, offering free legal advice to patrons along with their frankfurters. remote control carnivore fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jan 9, 2011 |
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Jan 9, 2011 05:33
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jake1357 posted:That sounds like a pretty roundabout way of dealing with the problem. Is the idea that people would then abandon getting JDs and most schools would go out of business? Would firms hire people who didn't go to law school? I'm not sure. It's not something novel, other countries do it with a decent degree of success. It eliminates the worst barrier to entry of the market, the cost/time sink of going to law school. Sure, you'll get a few more lovely lawyers, but lovely lawyers can already make it through the system now, with the amount of TTT's open who will take anyone with a pulse. There will still be some people who go to law school, if they want to specialize or have an edge getting a job/clerkship. Japan already does this, the only difference is that their bar exam is ungodly tough/obscure to keep the barrier to entry in place. But they have separate law schools and 'bar exam' schools.
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Jan 9, 2011 05:47
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Stunt Rock posted:Despair not, jobless lawyers. You, too, can become a LAWDOG: So now Bob Loblaw lobs lawdogs?
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Abugadu posted:It's not something novel, other countries do it with a decent degree of success. It eliminates the worst barrier to entry of the market, the cost/time sink of going to law school. Sure, you'll get a few more lovely lawyers, but lovely lawyers can already make it through the system now, with the amount of TTT's open who will take anyone with a pulse. Why do you think doctors aren't poor? The AMA does a drat good job limiting the number of medical schools and students and therefore potential lawyers. poo poo, just make the bar hard as hell or limit the number that can pass each year (DE does this).
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Jan 9, 2011 08:10
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Jesus did the NY Times go looking for the absolute least-sympathetic idiot to use as their example?
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"Today, his best guess is that he should be sending $2,000 to $3,000 a month in total, to lenders that include Wells Fargo, Citibank and Sallie Mae. “There are a bunch of others,” he says. “I’m not really good at keeping records.” Boy, nothing says hire me quite like an attorney who's "not really good" at keeping records.
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Jan 9, 2011 19:25
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Who the gently caress takes out a $15,000 bar loan? I know rent in SD is expensive but come on. And did I understand correctly that he thought it would be a good idea to take out student loans to put a down payment on a house in San Diego? TJ is like a rancid joke of a law school too, the Cooley of the west. FTG
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Who the gently caress takes out a $15,000 bar loan? I know rent in SD is expensive but come on. His intelligence is about on par with the Georgetown administrators that are apparently hired from their own pool of unemployable graduates. Their administrative hires "aren't counted as employed" and they lost track of two alums working in the school. Or the dean from Toledo who wasn't massaging USNWR numbers by moving his losers to part-time status - he was just making sure they didn't fail out of law school (I didn't even know that was possible).
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Jan 9, 2011 20:24
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There's got to be some goon somewhere who works in periodical writing and could interview Linguica or someone marginally sympathetic instead of some 4TT alumnus with the IQ of a parsnip who openly admits to gaming his student loans
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Jan 9, 2011 20:56
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Save me jeebus posted:I come not for taco chat, but for lawoffice management chat: Without suggesting copyright infringement, I will just observe that you can make your own computer-based fillable forms with a scanner, a copy of Adobe Acrobat 8 or better, and a couple of hours of time.
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I was pretty appalled at the $15,000 bar loan. All the people I know took out loans in the $2-4,000 range. Admittedly it's much cheaper to live in Texas than San Diego, but still - $15k seems outrageous. One of my friends got hired back at the Starbucks she worked at before law school. She's legitimately thrilled to be employed again.
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Cortina posted:I was pretty appalled at the $15,000 bar loan. All the people I know took out loans in the $2-4,000 range. Admittedly it's much cheaper to live in Texas than San Diego, but still - $15k seems outrageous. That is outrageous. I was stressed at the thought of taking out $4k in bar loans and being stuck with non-IBR loans. Instead, I'll be self-studying and moving in with my girlfriend. At least I can do immigration shitlaw while servicing federal loans.
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i shoulda gotten bar loans instead i'm paying off $15k in credit card debt for my wife's medical bills from right before graduation that's what you get for not having student loans
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I never realized people took out bar specific loans. And I can't even fathom needing $15,000 for what is all of two months.
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That guy took out bar loans greater than the loans I took out for living expenses for the entire academic year. And I live in the most expensive place to get mugged in New England.
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So what's the general outlook on transferring from the Lower T14 up to the top? As I mentioned on the last page, I'm in the top 10% after my first semester at Cornell. Assuming that this act of god continues and I do the same next semester, is it generally a good idea to apply to transfer up? It seems the tradeoff is going to a better school vs being on law review and in the top 10% where I am. The devil you know, and all that. How far down the chain is it worth it? I mean, I'll throw transfer apps at HYS, and maybe Columbia. But should I also apply to CCN? It seems like it wouldn't be worth it to go up a few rankings (Duke, Northwestern, I'm talking to you), but I've even heard people talk about it wouldn't be worth jumping ship for anything short of HYS. Also, I'd heard that, in addition to 1L GPA, HYS also look at the undergrad poo poo that you applied to law school with and they expect that good transfer candidates will have been at least competitive for admission in the first place, and with a 171/3.3, I wasn't even close. Is that going to hurt me? (Edit: Non-URM) Thoughts? Also, for those who have transferred (I think Prussian Advisor went UF->Columbia, right?), I've looked at the transfer info for HYS and all that, and seen the application deadlines, but what's the process and timeline I'd be looking at if I want to start working on transfer apps? Lilosh fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 10, 2011 |
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