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I disliked the prequels because (in addition to every other reason) they made Star Wars all about the jedi. Even now they're basically all that gets talked about. But when I was 8 I gave no shits about jedi or the force or any of that, for me Star Wars was 100% about the space ships. Basically the X-Wing is the coolest thing to ever come out of Star Wars, utterly iconic. But then in the PT every movie gets a new set of space ships
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I think that is the overall point people are making, it is not just the characters that are easily forgettable, but every ship was one of a thousand out there. In the OT the Millennium Falcon was a character in itself. Boba Fett's ship, pretty bad rear end (okay they injected it into the PT) Darth's TIE fighter was different from all of the others, so it seemed to be special.
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Jan 11, 2011 20:31
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Saveron_01 posted:I think that is the overall point people are making, it is not just the characters that are easily forgettable, but every ship was one of a thousand out there. In the OT the Millennium Falcon was a character in itself. Boba Fett's ship, pretty bad rear end (okay they injected it into the PT) Darth's TIE fighter was different from all of the others, so it seemed to be special. Padme's ships were all pretty unique. Shiny, too.
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Jan 11, 2011 21:16
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At last, an accurate thread title.
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Jan 11, 2011 22:06
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Thread sucks now, stop writing fanfiction.Saveron_01 posted:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evan http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Traavis 
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Jan 11, 2011 22:33
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It was only a matter of time and bitching before we got this title.
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Jan 11, 2011 22:36
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Fine, whiny babies, we'll stop talking about how we'd actually make it better. Let's go back to simply bitching about what's wrong. But I'll remember to not make any suggestions for improvement. (I'm only half serious with my sarcasm. I guess the fanfiction had kind of taken over, so sorry about that.)
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Jan 11, 2011 23:06
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SeanBeansShako posted:It was only a matter of time and bitching before we got this title. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long. We totally deserve it.
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Jan 11, 2011 23:56
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Admiral Goodenough posted:Why is Luke even a name that exists in a galaxy far, far away? Luke S. = Lucas That's why.
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Jan 12, 2011 00:03
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thrawn527 posted:Fine, whiny babies, we'll stop talking about how we'd actually make it better. Let's go back to simply bitching about what's wrong. But I'll remember to not make any suggestions for improvement. The suggestions were always worse.
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Jan 12, 2011 00:48
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Oh poo poo, did I do that? Sorry, guys... Soooo, yeah. Star Wars. Ok, here's a geeky Star Wars question. Did anyone in the Imperial navy ever raise any sort of complaint with Vader over the murder of senior officers? In the films we see him threaten some kind of Moff and actually murder a Star Destroyer captain and a freaking Admiral! These are jobs that take years of dedicated service and more than a little intelligence to get. Admirals are valuable! Did he seriously get away with killing one over a relatively minor mistake and field promoting the guy next to him? Edit: VV I'm the guy who started off the whole rewrite prequels fan-wankery thing. Bene Elim fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 12, 2011 |
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Jan 12, 2011 00:50
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Bene Elim posted:Did anyone in the Imperial navy ever raise any sort of complaint with Vader over the murder of senior officers? Would you be the guy who complained?
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Jan 12, 2011 00:53
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Here's another geeky question: does Anakin's ghost ever show up in the EU? I kind of just always assumed he wouldn't show up again after that one time with Luke, and he would have to work off his lifetime of bad deeds first.
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Jan 12, 2011 01:00
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Locutus Of Bored posted:Luke S. = Lucas Stop being rational, you're ruining my fun 
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Jan 12, 2011 01:03
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DorianGravy posted:Here's another geeky question: does Anakin's ghost ever show up in the EU? I kind of just always assumed he wouldn't show up again after that one time with Luke, and he would have to work off his lifetime of bad deeds first.
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Jan 12, 2011 01:04
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Doesn't he also show up at the end of the NJO? I vaguely remember him talking to Jacen during the fight with Onimi.
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Jan 12, 2011 01:46
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For any fans of the FX show Justified (one of the best shows on TV), I just saw a teaser for season two. It went something like this: Raylan is sitting across from (presumably) a bad guy. Raylan asks if the guy knows what this reminds him of. Raylan tells him it reminds him of Star Wars. Then he says, "Did you know that in the original version, Han Solo shot first? But then they changed it so the bad guy shot first." Bad guy stares at Raylan. Very quick jump cut to black as they both draw. Awesome.
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Jan 12, 2011 02:09
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Saveron_01 posted:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evan Even better is this guy linked from that page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Traavis Jedi Master Bongwater says "Hey man, can I crash on your couch?"
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Jan 12, 2011 04:23
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Jedi Master Bongwater says "Hey man, can I crash on your couch?" I didn't read about Traavis, but I could totally get behind Jedi Master Bongwater.
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Jan 12, 2011 04:28
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Bene Elim posted:Ok, here's a geeky Star Wars question. Did anyone in the Imperial navy ever raise any sort of complaint with Vader over the murder of senior officers? Would you have filed a complaint?
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Jan 12, 2011 08:20
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that awful man posted:Would you have filed a complaint? And who would they have complained to? I mean, wasn't Vader the second-in-command of the entire Empire?
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Jan 12, 2011 08:21
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Nucleic Acids posted:And who would they have complained to? I mean, wasn't Vader the second-in-command of the entire Empire? Unions are a hell of a thing.
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Jan 12, 2011 08:24
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RagnarokAngel posted:Unions are a hell of a thing. Like the Emperor and Vader are going to stand for that. Actually, someone make this fan fiction. Someone tries to start an Imperial Union and the Emperor and Vader wreck the poo poo of all of the union leaders.
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Jan 12, 2011 08:48
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VaultAggie posted:Doesn't he also show up at the end of the NJO? I vaguely remember him talking to Jacen during the fight with Onimi. That anakin was jacens brother. iirc
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Jan 12, 2011 09:08
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Bene Elim posted:Ok, here's a geeky Star Wars question. Did anyone in the Imperial navy ever raise any sort of complaint with Vader over the murder of senior officers? This was a plot point in one of the Marvel SW comics. The Imperial officers on a superweapon called the Tarkin (really) got tired of Vader choking them for making mistakes, so they decided to kill him.
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Jan 12, 2011 13:03
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Putting aside the prequel hate fanfics for now, there were a series of comics called Infinites that explored what-if? scenerios for Star Wars. What if Luke missed the Death Star shot, what if Luke died on Hoth, what if Vader turned Leia instead, etc. They were interesting concepts, if not well written. None were ever done for the prequels, which sort of saddens me--there is great storyline potential there for What-if scenarios for the entire universe. Not fanfic here you rewrite the stories, but explore what happens if that single nail trips up Obi-Wan. I.e. Just imagine how the saga would've unfolded if Qui-Gon lived and Obi-Wan died. Or Padme didn't survive the Clone Wars. Or Anakin actually died in combat with Obi-Wan. I wonder why they never made Infinites for the prequels? Easy sellers, I'd think.
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Jan 12, 2011 13:38
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happy cabbage posted:That anakin was jacens brother. iirc And thus we have the reason why Lucas decided to kill Anakin Solo off. Too much confusion!
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Jan 12, 2011 13:51
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Hemp Knight posted:This was a plot point in one of the Marvel SW comics. The Imperial officers on a superweapon called the Tarkin (really) got tired of Vader choking them for making mistakes, so they decided to kill him. Which of course led to this thing of beauty:  I can't remember who, but someone in the previous two threads dubbed this the Mofference
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Jan 12, 2011 15:31
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Nucleic Acids posted:And who would they have complained to? I mean, wasn't Vader the second-in-command of the entire Empire? No more than the head of White House Security is second-in-command of America, I think. ...I guess the analogy isn't perfect, but my point is, Vader is an agent, not an administrator or a commander (though I bet he has some rank). Tarkin (presumably a local system governor?) was in charge of him.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Vader is an agent, not an administrator or a commander (though I bet he has some rank). Supreme commander 
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Jan 12, 2011 16:26
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Doc Hawkins posted:No more than the head of White House Security is second-in-command of America, I think. Tarkin was in charge on the Death Star, but it's always been a little murky who ranked higher in the Empire. I think it depended on the situation. Not to mention, when he was killing the officers in ESB, this was after the disaster of the Death Star, after which I think he was given more control. The point is, by the time ESB came around, Vader was outranked only by the Emperor itself. And yeah, the analogy isn't perfect, because the head of White House Security is in no way as powerful as Darth Vader. The Empire rules with an iron fist, with no checks or balances. They answer to no one, because the Senate was dissolved. Vader can do whatever he wants, and the only thing stopping him is if it pisses off the Emperor, or if all the officers get together to stop him. But the latter isn't really likely, as they're all scared shitless of him (above picture not-withstanding). It's also worth noting that in the original draft of ROTJ, the commander who met Vader at the beginning on the second Death Star was a Grand Moff, and had a much larger role. (He may have still been a Grand Moff in the final product, but it wasn't mentioned and didn't matter.) He outranked Vader, and was undermining him the entire movie. But that was cut out by the time they got to filming, so it doesn't count.
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Wampus42 posted:Which of course led to this thing of beauty: Actually that's from the Classic Star Wars series set between ANH and ESB, published first as a newspaper strip and later by Dark Horse Comics. Those are Admirals, not Moffs, and they're rebelling against the construction of Vader's Super Star Destroyer the Executor, which they try to help the Rebellion sabotage. It turns out to be a trap though - Admiral Griff the ringleader is working with Vader to weed out traitors. Sorry for the nerdy correction. I actually think the post you're replying to is thinking about this rather than the destruction of the Tarkin, which is in the Marvel series.
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Jan 12, 2011 16:35
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DougieFFC posted:Actually that's from the Classic Star Wars series set between ANH and ESB, published first as a newspaper strip and later by Dark Horse Comics. Those are Admirals, not Moffs, and they're rebelling against the construction of Vader's Super Star Destroyer the Executor, which they try to help the Rebellion sabotage. It turns out to be a trap though - Admiral Griff the ringleader is working with Vader to weed out traitors. You're right. This is a Mofference: 
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Jan 12, 2011 16:38
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thrawn527 posted:It's also worth noting that in the original draft of ROTJ, the commander who met Vader at the beginning on the second Death Star was a Grand Moff, and had a much larger role. (He may have still been a Grand Moff in the final product, but it wasn't mentioned and didn't matter.) He outranked Vader, and was undermining him the entire movie. But that was cut out by the time they got to filming, so it doesn't count. His name was Moff Jerjerrod and that sounds really neat but I think would've obfuscated the movie with a subplot. I only know his name from the card game and I feel ashamed that I can recall it all these years afterwards.
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Fox of Stone posted:His name was Moff Jerjerrod and that sounds really neat but I think would've obfuscated the movie with a subplot. I only know his name from the card game and I feel ashamed that I can recall it all these years afterwards. Yeah, that's his name, thanks. I couldn't remember. I wrote up a longer description of the differences between the first draft of ROTJ and the final version in the last thread (which I can repost of anyone wants it) but Jerjerrod was a foil for Vader, who wasn't entirely a bad guy in that version. He was conflicted for far longer than he was in the filmed version, and ends up killing Jerjerrod. The whole thing is an interesting idea, but that version gets really weird, with the Force ghosts getting way more involved, showing up and freaking out the Emperor. The second draft has Obi-Wan showing back up in the flesh, not as a ghost. Weird poo poo I'm not sure would have really worked. My post is in the old thread, but I can go find it and repost it here if anyone is curious.
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DougieFFC posted:It turns out to be a trap though - Admiral Griff the ringleader is working with Vader to weed out traitors. This isn't really connected, I just want to point out that Griff had the absolute stupidest/most hilarious death in Star Wars history:  Seriously, if anyone hasn't checked out Marvel Star Wars yet, I urge you to do it. It's the exact level of stupidity required for a good Star Wars story. Slantedfloors fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jan 12, 2011 |
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Jan 12, 2011 17:14
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thrawn527 posted:You're right. This is a Mofference:
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Bobby The Rookie posted:Grand Moff Stalin on the left there. You know, I've seen that picture before and not noticed it, but you're completely right - that actually is a dead-on caricature of Josef Stalin. What the gently caress?
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, that's his name, thanks. I couldn't remember. I wrote up a longer description of the differences between the first draft of ROTJ and the final version in the last thread (which I can repost of anyone wants it) but Jerjerrod was a foil for Vader, who wasn't entirely a bad guy in that version. He was conflicted for far longer than he was in the filmed version, and ends up killing Jerjerrod. The whole thing is an interesting idea, but that version gets really weird, with the Force ghosts getting way more involved, showing up and freaking out the Emperor. The second draft has Obi-Wan showing back up in the flesh, not as a ghost. Weird poo poo I'm not sure would have really worked. My post is in the old thread, but I can go find it and repost it here if anyone is curious.
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I'm sure this has been discussed at some point in some way, but I've done a lot of thought since the prequels came out about how I would do them. I was a film student at the time so I felt I had a certain prerogative. Anyway, I don't think like that now, I simply like to ponder on it. I would do away with the plot of Episode 1 and most of 2, and start my Episode one right where Episode 2 ends. Except, where I would do it, Anakin and Padme are not getting married at the end. Instead, their love blossoms through conflict of the war. Anakin's past would be revealed as he is quickly growing in power, and slowly falling towards the dark side. The movies would end around the same place. The pro's of doing it this way are as such: 1. Anakin and Padme's love doesn't seem some contrived. She has a logical and feasible reason to fall in love with him instead of going from calling him a boy one minute to all up on him another just because they spend time in a home. Instead, Padme can see through Anakin's heroics that he really has grown up. Prolly saves her and all that jazz. Standard movie reasons to fall in love. 2. The stories are compelling and full of conflict. Episode one was a low point for the series, not because of its cheese factor and introduction of many things that were black holed in the minds of fans, but because really nothing happened. Sure they find Anakin and Darth Maul arrives, but finding Anakin wasn't very exciting and Darth Maul could easily be transplanted to anywhere in the timeline. Starting it when the Clone wars begin gives a tone opportunity for awesome war drama. 3. The clone wars cartoons were awesome, and some of those stories could have been put into the movie. Furthermore, the whole kidnapping of Palpatine was much more interesting than the large gap between 2 and 3, due to 2's ending.
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