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tau posted:Why? I don't understand you, Petey. Posner Posner Posner Posner
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Ersatz posted:Posner Posner Posner Posner I think you mean (Posner).
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Jan 14, 2011 07:32
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tau posted:I think you mean (Posner). I did (thank you).
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Petey posted:I want to cherish this paragraph forever and frame it like some people frame a prayer or the constitution Lawthread... lawthread. How is life in the glorious world I left behind?
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Jan 14, 2011 08:24
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Mr. Fictitious posted:Hell yea bro thought about you the other day. How is YOUR life?
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Mr. Fictitious posted:Hell yea bro The unemployment rate is 1%, even T4s can get a big law spot. It is loving awesome out here. There's so much work we have negotiated a mandatory 40hr workweek and 6 weeks vacation. No one tell him the truth, we must keep a stiff upper lip
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Jan 14, 2011 08:28
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Abugadu posted:Don't go, part-time job, get hosed: I read this article during lunch at work. My secretary wondered what the gently caress I was doing as I was laughing and simultaneously trying not to weep. Holy loving poo poo. He's got a totally normal amount of debt. I mean, a non-insignificant number of people graduate with $170k in debt, and a non-insignificant number of those don't have jobs when they graduate. And the loving Ohio Bar decides to punish those who have made it through law school rather than stopping 6000 excess lawyers from graduating in Ohio every goddamn year. Jesus gently caress, that's so ultimately, inhumanely, irrationally, and sadistically soul crushing. They're punishing him because his job isn't good enough even though 85% of his classmates graduate without jobs. That's so mind blowing. I have been in the process of typing this post for several dozens of minutes, and I cannot think of a worse thing one can do to cement the idea of the law school scam (not that we needed more cementing). It takes unfathomable amounts of cajones to take $150k from some kid then literally instantly turn around and tell him that since you asked for his $150k, his 3 year degree is literally toilet paper. They demanded his $150k with promises of grandeur and instantly revoked (well, effectively revoked) his 3 year degree because they obtained that $150k and he missed a credit card payment. Holy loving poo poo. Goddamn how does this not confuse and infuriate all of you? BigHead fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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Jan 14, 2011 08:57
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Mr. Fictitious posted:Hell yea bro I'm actively doing everything I can to find a job so I can leave this wretched place, take a couple night courses for refreshers, and apply to some less retarded program. gently caress this jazz.
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Jan 14, 2011 10:25
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i hate how worthless law school makes me feel. i've been not v good at a bunch of stuff before but for some reason there's something about seeing an entire semester of work condensed down to one letter that is not very close to the beginning of the alphabet just really makes me wanna say gently caress it and go home
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Feces Starship posted:thought about you the other day. How is YOUR life? I'm probably gonna apply to grad school in fall but in the meantime, I fart on myself and do what I want  Daico posted:I'm actively doing everything I can to find a job so I can leave this wretched place, take a couple night courses for refreshers, and apply to some less retarded program.
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Jan 14, 2011 13:57
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That Ohio decision seems unfair, and maybe it is. I didn't read the whole article or decision. But I like the precedent of telling people they won't be allowed to join the bar if they have excessive debt. Might make a few people think twice about going to crappy law schools.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:That Ohio decision seems unfair, and maybe it is. I didn't read the whole article or decision. That would imply that prospective law students think very hard at all about the debt they'll incur when they apply.
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I know we like to be glib about this, but that law school article has been on the top of the NY Times most emailed list for a week. I think the message has been getting through. Of course, enrollment is still up. But a few years of thousands of graduates being denied bar admission due to debt, along with other changes enforced by each state's judiciary, like requiring schools to print in their promotional materials that high debt and no job will result in denial of bar admission, and we'll have some progress
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tau posted:Why? I don't understand you, Petey. Kahan argues that deterrence theory is incoherent outside of an external, expressive value system, and then uses four examples of Posner arguing against Posner to demonstrate the ultimately speculative nature of allegedly empirical, value-neutral jurisprudence to show that one can (as Posner does) make equally plausible results-oriented arguments depending on which result one wishes to achieve. Petey fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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Direwolf posted:Sooo I got middle to below average grades this semester, I should drop out of my t14 and work at Starbucks, correct? What T-14, out of curiosity? Are you that UVA guy that was asking about housing six months ago?
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tau posted:Why? I don't understand you, Petey. Yeah I mean, it's funny I guess because heh, Posner takes lots of different stances on stuff. But I mean it's not a fart/dick joke BigHead posted:Goddamn how does this not confuse and infuriate all of you? It does but man I only have so much anger and I got poo poo I have to get done today. This is yet another case where there's plenty of people more sympathetic than this guy I mean can't he pass the freakin' Ohio bar after 3 tries? I honestly think we can be as mad as we want but the general public probably has a pretty low bar on their care level for this sort of thing. Because "heh, lawyers gently caress em"  so basically it is up to all of us to do something but as we collectively finally squeeze out the other end of the law school digestive tract we feel less and less concerned with the plight of the law student generally and more with our own SPECIFIC plight. By the way who was the dude who applied to Active Duty on the November Army JAG Board? Did you get in? Defleshed fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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This thread needs more international law pandas! While trying to talk a friend's brother out of going to McGeorge for "International Human Rights Law" (I know, he would NOT listen, and he's 30 so should know better), I came across the recruiting office's profile of one of their outgoing 3Ls. Shameless TTT Admissions Marketing Hack posted:Hometown: Los Angeles, California It's like every panda cliche in the book, all at once.
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I got an interview with the Manhattan DA's Office! Is there a good reason why I shouldn't promise the interviewer that if they offered me a job, I'd accept it?
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Holland Oats posted:I got an interview with the Manhattan DA's Office! Is there a good reason why I shouldn't promise the interviewer that if they offered me a job, I'd accept it?
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Petey posted:I was reading The Secret Ambition of Deterrence by Kahan today (113 Harv L Rev 413) on the bus ride home today and this paragraph made me laugh for like a minute: Sick burn on Posner bro. lol here's Cory Doctorow's e-mail signature: quote:READ CAREFULLY. By reading this email, you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies ("BOGUS AGREEMENTS") that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. I bet some copyright lawyer read that and poo poo himself!!
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That NYT article is a godsend, it actually convinced my friend who was hellbent on prosecuting mass murderers at the ICC that it isn't a realistic option. Unfortunately, he now has no life plan anymore and is sort of aimless and depressed, but that's an improvement over law school.
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_areaman posted:That NYT article is a godsend, it actually convinced my friend who was hellbent on prosecuting mass murderers at the ICC that it isn't a realistic option. Unfortunately, he now has no life plan anymore and is sort of aimless and depressed, but that's an improvement over law school. Tell him to join the Peace Corps. Then he gets a two-year deferral of the real world and he can scratch that panda itch.
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entris posted:Tell him to join the Peace Corps. Then he gets a two-year deferral of the real world and he can scratch that panda itch. And they pay him instead of the other way around
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Sulecrist posted:What T-14, out of curiosity? Are you that UVA guy that was asking about housing six months ago? Northwestern - you're coming here, right? Or might be? Or was that someone else.
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Petey posted:Kahan argues that deterrence theory is incoherent outside of an external, expressive value system, and then uses four examples of Posner arguing against Posner to demonstrate the ultimately speculative nature of allegedly empirical, value-neutral jurisprudence to show that one can (as Posner does) make equally plausible results-oriented arguments depending on which result one wishes to achieve. goin' in our paper
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billion dollar bitch posted:aimless and depressed = law school aimless and depressed > law school edit: you can be aimless and depressed without going $100k+ in debt.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:goin' in our paper Yeah, I tried to read all the stuff we'd collected over break but got mega sick; I'll try to get some done soon. But that graf definitely deserves a footnote at least.
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Lawgoons, should I take criminal procedure or business organization/corporations next semester? Crim pro is being offered as a one semester intense class instead of the usual two-semester bail to jail/cops and robbers sequence. I'm going to end up taking both eventually, for various reasons. I haven't taken straight crim yet, though.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:goin' in our paper Petey posted:Yeah, I tried to read all the stuff we'd collected over break but got mega sick; I'll try to get some done soon. what are you fellows writing?
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The Warszawa posted:Lawgoons, should I take criminal procedure or business organization/corporations next semester? Crim pro is being offered as a one semester intense class instead of the usual two-semester bail to jail/cops and robbers sequence. I'm going to end up taking both eventually, for various reasons. I haven't taken straight crim yet, though. Corps, probably, because it's more likely to be a pre-req for other courses, whereas Crim Pro is (I think) generally just a pre-req for Adv. Crim Pro - although your experience might be different because I have no idea how Harvard does its thing. I tend to ignore your opinion on interviewing and job applications, simply because you go to Harvard Law so I assume that you could basically get away with anything and still have a job. Is that bad/inaccurate? I don't mean to be a jerk!
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The Warszawa posted:Lawgoons, should I take criminal procedure or business organization/corporations next semester? Crim pro is being offered as a one semester intense class instead of the usual two-semester bail to jail/cops and robbers sequence. I'm going to end up taking both eventually, for various reasons. I haven't taken straight crim yet, though. Corps, get it out of the way now.
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The Warszawa posted:Lawgoons, should I take criminal procedure or business organization/corporations next semester? Crim pro is being offered as a one semester intense class instead of the usual two-semester bail to jail/cops and robbers sequence. I'm going to end up taking both eventually, for various reasons. I haven't taken straight crim yet, though. Corps corps a million times corps Quick question, if a state SC justice's office calls and asks if you are still interested in a clerkship, and then they ask you to resend stuff you already sent them months ago...they're not gonna turn around and NOT give you the chance to interview are they?
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Direwolf posted:Northwestern - you're coming here, right? Or might be? Or was that someone else. That's MoFauxHawk. I'm at Duke.
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Mookie posted:This thread needs more international law pandas! However: McGeorge is now a T2, not a TTT. It is still a bad idea, but McGeorge is a bit stronger than a TTT. Top 10% of days and 25% of nights can get decent jobs. McGeorge is also the feeder school to Northern Nevada. The UoP alumni network is strong. It is worth noting that most older McGeorge Alums hate the school, but they are sympathetic to the grads. So if he doesn't mind practicing in Elko (not sure they have much need for international law) he might be OK. Maybe. The above should not be seen as an endorsement of McGeorge. Don't go to a T2. If you don't end up in the top quartile (nights can do a bit better), you'll be doing shitlaw in Wendover. . . if you're lucky. If he winds up below the top 25% he should forget everything and if he doesn't drop out, focus on criminal prosecution and work at a local DA's office. DA's offices outside of the bay in NorCal don't "get" law school rankings and don't care about grades. The heads of many of the DA's offices here went to Lincoln Law School or whatever that school in Fresno is, non-ABA schools. Tell him to get his networking in. Of course, I know pretty much every lawyer worth knowing in Sacramento, went to a good law school, and am still unemployed. He should remember that a McGeorge degree is useless south of Bakersfield, north of Redding and East of Wendover, and is competing against Boalt, Stanford, Hastings, UCDavis, as well as the SoCal schools. Oh and the legal market in this region sucks balls. Is he at least getting a lot of money? McGeorge is loose with the cash, he should at least ask. You may not be able to stop him from going, but you can help him reduce crippling debt. And slap him for all of us. He sounds dumb.
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entris posted:I tend to ignore your opinion on interviewing and job applications, simply because you go to Harvard Law so I assume that you could basically get away with anything and still have a job. Is that bad/inaccurate? I don't mean to be a jerk! The law review kids are still doing fine for themselves, but the rest of us have definitely been feeling it (but then it may just be me because every day I wonder a little more how I ever got in in the first place) Oh, and take Corps, with Subramanian if you can get in.
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entris posted:I tend to ignore your opinion on interviewing and job applications, simply because you go to Harvard Law so I assume that you could basically get away with anything and still have a job. Is that bad/inaccurate? I don't mean to be a jerk! Red Bean Juice posted:The law review kids are still doing fine for themselves, but the rest of us have definitely been feeling it (but then it may just be me because every day I wonder a little more how I ever got in in the first place) I don't go to Harvard, actually, but I'll pass that recommendation to some of my friends there. Entris, I don't know how it it is at Harvard but here there isn't much in the way of fear, but there's also a huge culture of not talking about job stuff, etc., so far. I'm just a 1L so they basically tell us to shut up and not worry.
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The Warszawa posted:I don't go to Harvard, actually, but I'll pass that recommendation to some of my friends there. Oh I forgot, you're at Yale, right? It was one of the top 3, I thought.
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entris posted:Oh I forgot, you're at Yale, right? It was one of the top 3, I thought. Harvard is the blood throne. Yale is the skull throne where the blood comes from. Stanford is the reclusive cousin no one talks about.
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Direwolf posted:Sooo I got middle to below average grades this semester, I should drop out of my t14 and work at Starbucks, correct? The only thing smarter than dropping out is not to go at all. So yeah drop out and save the headache. E: haha check this poo poo out http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/lsat_would_be_optional_under_possible_aba_accreditation_change remote control carnivore fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jan 15, 2011 |
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