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entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

CaptainScraps posted:


I was never able to answer in the affirmative, all I learned about property was the bundle of sticks, adverse possession, and a lot about loving Indians.


Consider yourself lucky, then. I only learned one position for Indians and the prof spent less than five minutes on technique.

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JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrW8yNdZI6I&feature=pyv&ad=4999507943&kw=lsat%20testing&gclid=CN73koOFxKYCFcbsKgodrETkHg

Online LSAT prep for the inevitable online law schools

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
I slept through property. Like all of it. I know nothing about Shelly's rule against perpetual motion or whatever.

But it was common law property and LA is civil and no MBE so it didn't matter.

commish
Sep 17, 2009

mrtoodles posted:

Tomorrow begins week 3 in biglaw.

Talked to my fellow initiates and they all had the same new year's resolution: make it a year without getting fired/laid off.

I've been in a while, and that's always my resolution.

Stunt Rock
Jul 28, 2002

DEATH WISH AT 120 DECIBELS

Phil Moscowitz posted:

I slept through property. Like all of it. I know nothing about Shelly's rule against perpetual motion or whatever.

But it was common law property and LA is civil and no MBE so it didn't matter.

The Louisiana Civil Code owns, IMO.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost
If anyone missed the premier of the gripping new legal drama Harry's Law, starring Oscar winning Dame Kathy Bates and that cute dude who showed us his rear end on that failed Aaron Sorkin show, you should definitely look into it. Let me summarize the plot of the pilot:

Affluent White Partner gets fired from her patent law firm after growing bored with the law. As soon as she leaves the firm, a Poor Suicidal Black Guy falls on her. Literally falls on top of her head from the sky, as he's trying to commit suicide via jumping from the roof of a building. Neither is hurt. Affluent White Associate then runs into Affluent White Partner with his car (zany, right?). Neither is hurt, again. This is an odd beginning, but whatever.

Affluent White Partner then starts a solo practice in the middle of Harlem or somewhere, and immediately takes on Poor Suicidal Black Guy's case (he was trying to commit suicide because he got busted for a third coke possession charge). AWA somehow immediately takes a leave of absence from his firm so he can "intern" for AWP as repayment for running her over. Cue their second client, the local gangbanger trying to elicit protection money because they live in Harlem or somewhere. AWP trades legal representation for gang protection instead of paying money for gang protection.

AWP goes to trial on the coke charge within 24 hours. During the trial, she and the DA (another zany character whose speech impediment gets mercilessly made fun of) have a 10 minute long debate on legalizing drugs. In the middle of trial. With the judge and jury smiling and nodding along, and the defendant on the stand. After this rousing debate, the judge dismissed the defendant from the stand (he has been asked exactly one question). AWP point blank asks the jury for jury nullification after admitting her client is guilty because he's Poor and the cops hate Poor people, plus he's in college.

AWA, in the mean time, gets a call from gangbanger because gangbanger shot someone. Within the afternoon, gangbanger is arraigned. Cue a second 10 minute long rousing drama, this time in the middle of the arraignment and a monologue, on the merits of gangs protecting the businessmen and women in Harlem because the cops don't give a gently caress. AWA dramatically tells the judge "no YOU'RE out of order, the whole system is out of order!" After the arraignment, gangbanger somehow gets no-bailed and gives AWA a big hug and says whitey normally be hatin' on gangbangers. It's a very racially sensitive moment (really the whole show is racially motivating in a really racist white savior sort of way), and there may have been tears.

Oh and did I mention that the office space happened to be a closed shoe store, and it's full of Prada and Gucci shoes that somehow got left behind, so the perky secretary starts a shoe store business in the same office? I guess that's how they're paying the bills.

In conclusion, it's simultaneously the most racist show ever and the most ridiculous legal show ever, and it stars two awesome people and a hot blonde with a nice rack. It's awesome.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 18, 2011

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Apparently I went skiing with hiddenreplaced this weekend!

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

CaptainScraps posted:

My wills professor constantly asked us "If [we] learned that in property."

I was never able to answer in the affirmative, all I learned about property was the bundle of sticks, adverse possession, and a lot about loving Indians.

gently caress law school.
I did a lot of real estate law this past summer and my boss would constantly reference some weird obscure Michigan law and say "well, you probably know what I'm talking about, you took property"

yeah, but I had Simpson (RIP :() for property, and the only things I learned about were
-the Rule Against Perpetuities
-British fox-hunting law circa 1600
-cannibalism
-bestiality
-gay porn hidden under mattresses
-a liiitle bit of adverse possession

srsly
Aug 1, 2003

nm posted:

Have you bought a helicopter yet?

No, but I did change myself to the "Standard" student loan repayment plan.

Baller.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

BigHead posted:

In conclusion, it's simultaneously the most racist show ever and the most ridiculous legal show ever, and it stars two awesome people and a hot blonde with a nice rack. It's awesome.

My wife watches some show about a fat girl with the soul of a dead skinny girl and she is a lawyer or something. The show is reprehensible in any number of ways, but the most irritating thing is that shows like these are why clients think you can make their legal problems go away in an afternoon.

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.

Defleshed posted:

My wife watches some show about a fat girl with the soul of a dead skinny girl and she is a lawyer or something. The show is reprehensible in any number of ways, but the most irritating thing is that shows like these are why clients think you can make their legal problems go away in an afternoon.

Drop Dead Diva, I loving love that show. The episode I watched they lost their case in the courtroom but were able to win by threatening to tarnish the name of their opponent and instigate a drawn out patent suit.

Honestly, body switching magic aside, it's probably the most realistic law show I've seen.*




*sample size one episode while I was drunk

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Baruch Obamawitz you have totally confused me in that other thread in D&D.

Did you really mean copyright or did you mean to say patent law?

It doesn't help that a bunch of idiot goons are jumping all over the topic without knowing anything about IP laws...

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.

evilweasel posted:

Apparently I went skiing with hiddenreplaced this weekend!

I heard! There are Goons Among Us.

intensive purposes
Jul 1, 2009

BigHead posted:

If anyone missed the premier of the gripping new legal drama Harry's Law, starring Oscar winning Dame Kathy Bates and that cute dude who showed us his rear end on that failed Aaron Sorkin show, you should definitely look into it. Let me summarize the plot of the pilot:

. . .

In conclusion, it's simultaneously the most racist show ever and the most ridiculous legal show ever, and it stars two awesome people and a hot blonde with a nice rack. It's awesome.
I was calling out objections at first to explain things to my mother (who I live with now, thanks law school), but gave up after the legalize drugs debate. Also a pet peeve, the one question D was asked was asked by the DA, Harry doesn't need to directly examine her only witness, no no.

There is one legal show that is more ridiculous though, and that's Outlaw on NBC. The imdb description is apt enough: "A former Supreme Court justice starts his own law firm." But I also like the tagline: "He quits the Supreme Court. Now, all bets are off" (referring to his gambling problems). He brings along his ragtag group of clerks who solve crimes, too.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

entris posted:

Baruch Obamawitz you have totally confused me in that other thread in D&D.

Did you really mean copyright or did you mean to say patent law?

It doesn't help that a bunch of idiot goons are jumping all over the topic without knowing anything about IP laws...

Copyright, clearly. Mashups, remixes, etc. Ask Petey.

Anyway, if copyright law as written were enforced, the Internet'd be basically illegal (I mean, Something Awful rampantly violates copyrights what with all those articles we post).

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

Copyright, clearly. Mashups, remixes, etc. Ask Petey.

Anyway, if copyright law as written were enforced, the Internet'd be basically illegal (I mean, Something Awful rampantly violates copyrights what with all those articles we post).

Ah, good point about mashups and remixes.

What about fair use for SA, though? Characterize it as part of commentary?

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Soothing Vapors posted:

I did a lot of real estate law this past summer and my boss would constantly reference some weird obscure Michigan law and say "well, you probably know what I'm talking about, you took property"

yeah, but I had Simpson (RIP :() for property, and the only things I learned about were
-the Rule Against Perpetuities No.
-British fox-hunting law circa 1600 Yes!
-cannibalism No
-bestiality I wish
-gay porn hidden under mattresses No.
-a liiitle bit of adverse possession OCEAN.

Reflected for what I learned.

Bundle of sticks: Two days.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

entris posted:

Ah, good point about mashups and remixes.

What about fair use for SA, though? Characterize it as part of commentary?

Under fair use analysis, the only portion necessary would be, at most, an excerpt of the article. In most instances, a link alone would suffice.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

mrtoodles posted:

No, but I did change myself to the "Standard" student loan repayment plan.

Baller.
Pimptastic.
Start paying it off in only gold doubloons.

I get 25% off my bar payment because I'm poor. woooo. . . .

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
Copyright and patent have the same general problem of overbroad enforcement, with the same general result of stifled innovation, just in disjoint fields such that the one you consider more important is largely a function of your particular interests - and half of that clusterfuck of a D&D thread doesn't know the difference between the subfields of IP anyway, it's depressing to read.

Cortina
Oct 14, 2010
Of the three property sections at my crappy law school, mine was the only one who learned anything, because we had an 85 year old man teaching who basically has every relevant Texas case and the entire property code memorized, and is, miraculously, a good teacher. He's gotten his class lectures refined to the point that if you write down everything he says, it magically turns into an outline.

The other two sections did not have this man, and barely covered future interests before running out of time.

I took Wills, Estates and Trusts from the same professor; he'd say "and everyone remembers this from first year property, yes?" and the people from my section would nod and the people from other sections would just look panicked.

If I had been in the other two sections and had paid that much to be taught nothing, I'd be pissed.

The Rokstar
Aug 19, 2002

by FactsAreUseless
I paid off all of my student loans in three and a half years from the money I made at my first law job.

I was, by own admission, lucky as hell to find the job I did though and I am in no way representative of the legal field as a whole nor do I recommend going to law school or even thinking about being a lawyer. Just to get that out there.

Ninja edit: Almost forgot the :smugdog:, sorry about that. :smugdog:.

GamingOdor
Jun 8, 2001
The stench of chips.
I collected my first judgment today! My old tea-party activist landlord forgot to affirmatively claim homestead exemption against my lien, opting instead for a batshit insane Motion to Reopen. I may be able to afford Barbri after-all!

Napoleon I
Oct 31, 2005

Goons of the Fifth, you recognize me. If any man would shoot his emperor, he may do so now.

Soothing Vapors posted:

I did a lot of real estate law this past summer and my boss would constantly reference some weird obscure Michigan law and say "well, you probably know what I'm talking about, you took property"

yeah, but I had Simpson (RIP :() for property, and the only things I learned about were
-the Rule Against Perpetuities
-British fox-hunting law circa 1600
-cannibalism
-bestiality
-gay porn hidden under mattresses
-a liiitle bit of adverse possession

I had a lot last summer too. Property was basically my favorite class ever as I had Bill Miller. I could probably take the multiple choice today and get like 3 wrong.

Simpson :smith:

Napoleon I fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jan 18, 2011

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

evilweasel posted:

Apparently I went skiing with hiddenreplaced this weekend!

Well you were skiing, but I was tumbling down hills.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

HiddenReplaced posted:

Well you were skiing, but I was tumbling down hills.

[ask] me about my strict rule on diamond carat size for my prospective fiance to not get turned down flat!

k=greater of(2+.5(age-28),2)

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Defleshed posted:

My wife watches some show about a fat girl with the soul of a dead skinny girl and she is a lawyer or something. The show is reprehensible in any number of ways, but the most irritating thing is that shows like these are why clients think you can make their legal problems go away in an afternoon.

Kind of like how juries expect fingerprints and DNA on everything because of CSI?

IrritationX
May 5, 2004

Bitch, what you don't know about me I can just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon.

evilweasel posted:

[ask] me about my strict rule on diamond carat size for my prospective fiance to not get turned down flat!

k=greater of(2+.5(age-28),2)

idgi

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

IrritationX posted:

idgi

one of the girls on the trip quite literally has that rule and is very open about it

Tetrix
Aug 24, 2002

evilweasel posted:

[ask] me about my strict rule on diamond carat size for my prospective fiance to not get turned down flat!

k=greater of(2+.5(age-28),2)

2k karat is pretty big until I consider it in proportion to my loan debt. However that thinking might just lead me to buy a million dollar house and ferrari.

but any girl with a rule like that is an immediate dump.

IrritationX
May 5, 2004

Bitch, what you don't know about me I can just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon.

evilweasel posted:

one of the girls on the trip quite literally has that rule and is very open about it

Just sounds to me like she needs to invert that bell curve.

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

evilweasel posted:

[ask] me about my strict rule on diamond carat size for my prospective fiance to not get turned down flat!

k=greater of(2+.5(age-28),2)

Those 10 hours spent riding in the van were very educational. I felt like a fly on the wall at a slumber party.

Daico
Aug 17, 2006
Today I got to watch Captain Scraps get bored and very blatantly walk out on a droning professor.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Daico posted:

Today I got to watch Captain Scraps get bored and very blatantly walk out on a droning professor.

Hahahaha I've had three people ask me if that was an "I QUIT THIS AWFUL CLASS" moment.

I had somewhere to be!

...which resulted in me being late to the OTHER class I'm in that he's teaching.



Fun fact: Today I found out through the old boy's network that Texas is probably going through another tort reform and everyone's FREAKING OUT.

G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jan 19, 2011

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

evilweasel posted:

one of the girls on the trip quite literally has that rule and is very open about it

Good thing that's also the "chance she finds out it's fake" formula or the hypothetical fiance would have a problem

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
Writing a note is so goddamn fun, I love it so loving much. :suicide: :suicide: :suicide:

Linguica
Jul 13, 2000
You're already dead

MechaFrogzilla posted:

Writing a note is so goddamn fun, I love it so loving much. :suicide: :suicide: :suicide:
<--- me irl right now

seacat
Dec 9, 2006
I was re-watching that "Don't Talk to Cops" video that gets linked on SA pretty often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

I didn't notice this the first time I saw the video, and it's actually quite a small part of the entire thing, but at about 4:16 the guy talks about a criminal defense attorney who got charged with felony assault for grabbing another attorney by the throat, presumably in the hall of their firm. Does this sort of poo poo happen often in this profession?? Would he be disbarred for his conviction?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
May 5, 2003

evilweasel posted:

[ask] me about my strict rule on diamond carat size for my prospective fiance to not get turned down flat!

k=greater of(2+.5(age-28),2)

She expects a bigger diamond the OLDER she is? I don't think she understands us men.

Edit: Or does that refer to the guy's age? That might make more sense.

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:

She expects a bigger diamond the OLDER she is? I don't think she understands us men.

Yep.

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