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This is a subforum on Something Awful, take it easy. What's actually offensive is that it's almost impossible for women to get jobs on photo shoots, and the vast majority of professionals are men for this reason. Photo is a little boys club a lot of the time and it's lame. brad industry fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 23, 2011 |
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It was suggested recently in the pictures-of-pets thread that we (people who like to pretend to know a thing or two about taking a picture) could volunteer at local animal shelters to provide photos of animals available for adoption. A bit of googling demonstrates that this does indeed occur, though not particularly often. Baltimore: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-07-05/lifestyle/bs-ae-pet-photographer-20100622_1_shelter-animals-baltimore-humane-society Indianopolis: http://www.prlog.org/10590644-squeakdog-indianapolis-pet-photographer-helps-rescue-dogs-shine.html Evanston (a bit old): http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/news/171428,ev-dogcalendar-121406-s1.article Has anyone here actually done something like this?
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Jan 23, 2011 21:22
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I HATE CARS posted:Dude, if you're going to pretend to jerk it to every picture of a hot guy posted in CC then don't get all offended when you're called creepy. Please, demonstrate to me a time I've done this. If you think expressing that someone is attractive is the same as implying one masturbates afterwards, it says a lot about you, or how you perceive gay men. And if you don't know know that y,y,n,n,y is a thing on somethingawful, you must not read any other subforum than the dorkroom. Maybe it's a played out unfunny meme, but it has a history as something used for comedic affect.
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Jan 23, 2011 21:27
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brad industry posted:This is a subforum on Something Awful, take it easy.
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Subject change  PIMM, almost messaged you about this on Flickr but I thought I might be being a bit of a bore. But as you're about... I'm shooting some erotic nudes of a gay man soon, do you have any advice for a straight guy who is largely new to the gay world. Are there standard shots I should take? Differences in emphasis to what I might expect? My sitter wants it to be pretty full on, he used the word 'debauched' actually. I feel fairly confident I can get some good shots but I was wondering if you felt there's anything I should definitely do/avoid.
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Jan 23, 2011 21:34
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A woman shot my wedding, and she had a woman for an assistant too. Watch my anecdotes conclusively dismantle stereotypes! 
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Jan 23, 2011 21:34
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m4mbo posted:Subject change Ask him to make a list of what he thinks his best and worst features are. Try to emphasize with light, angle, and prominence in the photo those positive things, and hide the negative ones. And conversely try to hide those aspects he dislikes. As far as completely generic, obviously this is from my personal preference, but I've always thought shots that show a lot, but aren't in over-the-top provocative angles were best. I don't think it's really possible to photograph a man with an erection without it looking cheesy and pornographic as apposed to artistic, but he might want that. Beforehand, send him some A&F model shots, some D&G stuff, the Sean Cody website, and then ask him on that spectrum how he wants it. A&F is more lifestyle with clothing missing, D&G is just scantily clad underwear or nude guys but nothing provocative, and SC is porn without going totally over the top. If he says he wants to go further than even SC, I can't help you as I've always thought an exposed anus filling more than 10x10 pixels of the image is kind of gross, heaven help you if that's what he wants. If you have lighting equipment, shower stuff is cool as you get the frozen water (or blurred depending on how you set it up) and the specularity from wet skin adds more volume. You can also use olive oil to make skin specular outside of a water situation. If he isn't porn-star material, you will probably want to go for either completely natural light, or flash stuff that emulates it. I've always thought it was weird to see essentially product promotional lighting on someone with a less than perfect body, but if he's confident about what he looks like, he might not care. Honestly it's something I'd need to know more of what he looks like, what he wants to use them for, and if he has a position preference, to give relevant advice. I've only done erotic photos once, and we did some in the shower with glass walls, and some in the bedroom on black sheets (for hopefully obvious, contrast related reasons). He must really trust you to ask, I don't even know if I could model for something like this for another gay photographer, let alone a straight guy. Ask him if he wants any images from after climaxing. He very well might, and you might need mental prep time for that, haha.
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Jan 23, 2011 21:59
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poopinmymouth posted:If he says he wants to go further than even SC, I can't help you as I've always thought an exposed anus filling more than 10x10 pixels of the image is kind of gross, heaven help you if that's what he wants. "Break out the macro lens!"
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Jan 23, 2011 22:13
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xzzy posted:A woman shot my wedding, and she had a woman for an assistant too. I know you're joking, but the wedding industry is one of the few areas where women photographers have it easy (because it's mostly a women's market). Brad Industry is right, it's really sad, but its really hard to get respect as a woman photographer in most commercial work. Even if I am organizing, shooting, conceptualizing a shoot, a lot of the time I'll have my male photographer partner who's usually assisting for me deal with the client, because it can be very difficult to get any kind of response or respect. This is the case in a lot of industries though, so its just one of those depressing things. Edit: whenever I think of gay nudes, I think mapplethorpe.
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ExecuDork posted:It was suggested recently in the pictures-of-pets thread that we (people who like to pretend to know a thing or two about taking a picture) could volunteer at local animal shelters to provide photos of animals available for adoption. A bit of googling demonstrates that this does indeed occur, though not particularly often. I do this up in my local Humane Society in Canada, having started late last year. torgeaux actually hooked me up with a good deal on a 100m macro when I started, and it has proven helpful for some of the small animals. Even though there's lots of dogs, cats, and small animals (birds, hamsters) at the shelter, I mostly trade in cats. I think this comes to the fact that for all the stray dogs they pick up, something like 59% of them head home - for cats, it's 5.9%. It has been a bit of a learning experience in terms of learning how to shoot with a more "industrial" or "production" workflow - cycling through as many of the new animals in a week with a good headshot or body shot - instead of trying to land the perfect, Flickr "A++ Gold Cat Photo of the Week Award". A big part of this is that our shelter has as many animals as other cities with more modern facilities, but on the order of two-thirds or half the space - it's an old building, and they move in May. As such, I'm asked to use a smallish room that does double duty as the "member of the public meets their adopted animal" room, and can only work when the shelter is closed to the public, but open to the staff - the Venn diagram for that set outside of my day job hours is pretty tight.  Tagging and metadata are pretty important for the shelter staff who receive my pictures. And honestly, everyone who works for the shelter is a pleasure to deal with. They do great work with what they have, and I'm really proud to work with them, and look forward to seeing what they can do with the new facility. My photography setup is pretty stark, because we have to set up and take down pretty quickly to maximize shooting time. In general, I'll set up a backdrop depending on cat fur colours (fabric isn't THAT expensive, but it's more than I guessed) and we have a bag full of stock toys, A guerilla photography setup may involve my 7D, my 580EX paired with a Lumiquest softbox or a dealextreme Fong knockoff, and either my 24-70, 70-200 or 100mm. If I feel more flush for time, I'll bring in a studio light and a shoot through umbrella, but I'm currently taking a lighting course at the local college so I can get a better sense of the studio lights and will use them more before long. Have observed some of the local pet photographers in town and they seem to use a pretty stock arrangement, so maybe I should just practice with that at home and move to that sooner rather than later. Post-processing is pretty minimal - maybe some vignetting, maybe some contrast, but the important thing is that I turn the pictures around within a day or two because it seems like turnover is pretty quick for most animals - although there are some old familiar faces who have been there since the beginning. Beyond that, the biggest challenge for a dude who has never had a pet beyond a step-budgie (who I adore) is learning how to pose and deal with some jumpy, nervous cats who haven't been treated great in their lives so far. At first, I naively thought I could manage this by myself. Friends talked me out of that quickly, and my lovely wife has served as a great assistant since then - mostly just sitting cats down, giving them a quick pet and quick brush to soothe them, and then distracting them towards the lens as appropriate. All that said, I'm still a fairly raw photographer compared to many of the talents here, but I'm glad to be getting the experience from doing this, as well as maybe racking up a couple of good deeds along the way. I may have an opportunity to start shooting some of the doggie playgroups, and I can't wait to give that a try. Thought about starting a trip report thread, but now that I see there's a pet photography thread I might start tossing some shots in there for ideas and critiques. Thanks for listening, hope that didn't bore you.
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Also got asked to do mall-Santa-photography duty for a fundraiser which had people take their pets and children to the malls for Santa pet pictures at Christmas time. It was cool, but man did I learn a couple of things the hard way. 1) Mall Santa photography is more stressful than I would have guessed, especially with dogs and cats and children at random levels of domestication. 2) Memory cards do fail, and the Dorkroom is a great place to come to when you need to figure out how to get those cards recovered, even for an innately tech-savvy dude. 3) Maybe it's just that I'm using the Canon 580EX with slower recycle time, but there is a HUGE difference between high-performance rechargables (Maha PowerEx) and standard rechargables (whatever the house brand is they sell at all-battery.com). Fortunately, I only learned that 7 hours into an 8 hour shift, but a lot of flop sweat accumulated with every underexposed frame from the flash not having recycled fast enough.
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SKULE123 posted:Thanks for listening, hope that didn't bore you. I'm also in Canada, and because I live in a tiny apartment and go away for long periods doing fieldwork I can't have pets. I occassionally find myself in the Veterinary Medicine building at the university (long story, nothing to do with photography), and I've asked around in a very casual manner and it seems they are often looking for people to help take care of the dogs and cats - take the dogs outside periodically, socialize the cats, etc. They run an adoption program, and use some of the animals for some of the training - non-invasive stuff like giving vet students a chance to practice doing basic examinations, from what I understand. Sounds like I'll need to find an assistant if I'm going to try to do this. I'll ask around at Vet Med, maybe something can come of this. I was also wondering if there were legal or ethical issues to worry about with something like this. For a non-profit like this, I wouldn't be too worried about copyright weirdness, but there are probably insurance things when a new person is brought into contact with the animals? EDIT: Just saw your Mall-Santa thing. Holy crap, I can't imagine myself working something like that. I loving hate dealing with the general public, especially parents regarding anything about their kids. I can do it (I've worked retail, successfully). I probably would have chucked a plastic reindeer through a clothing rack at the Banana Republic after 4 hours, and popped the flash in full power right in some snotty kid's eyes to see if I could induce photo-epilepsy. You're a stronger person than I. ExecuDork fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 23, 2011 |
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poopinmymouth posted:Ask him to make a list of what he thinks his best and worst features are. Try to emphasize with light, angle, and prominence in the photo those positive things, and hide the negative ones. And conversely try to hide those aspects he dislikes. This is great, thanks very much! The research tips are great, he wants 'tasteful and not so tasteful' so I think I'll work on some sort of progression. Its funny you say he must really trust me, he doesn't actually know me. We've been introduced by a mutual friend who is also a photographer and gay, but wasn't really comfortable seeing his mate like that. I have presumed that my friend would have said I'm straight, I might ask him to be sure actually. I wouldn't want to say 'and you know I'm straight right?' for fear it might make me sound a bit of a dick, but if he doesn't know I guess I'll have to. I have lights and big softboxes and a room with good natural light so I'm probs going to use a bit of both and see what works best. I like the idea of the shower stuff and the oil, I'll def see if he's up for that! From what I can see on his Facebook he is in good shape, muscular, so I don't think looks are really going to be a problem. They are for his husband. As I don't know him I don't think I'm really going to be in a position to ask about his position preference. I'm hoping it might become clear from the sort of pictures he suggests that he had in mind, and then I can develop based on that. I'm also really hoping he does not want exposed anus pictures :S but then again if he does I'll just get on with it. Man, I'll really have to think about the eye contact protocol if he wants climax stuff haha, I'll just fiddle with my light meter and look pretty! I'm planning to shoot on the 5th of feb, I'll let you know how it goes You have simultaneously calmed and made me more nervous.
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ExecuDork: Even just pairing up with some of the people doing the socializing for assistant-like duties would take you a long way. I didn't have to do anything insurance-wise, but I did need to turn in a police check.
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poopinmymouth posted:I don't think it's really possible to photograph a man with an erection without it looking cheesy and pornographic as apposed to artistic, but he might want that. Straight photography disagrees. It might not come off erotic, but I can definitely imagine some deadpan portraiture involving erections being pretty cool. Or on the other extreme, defusing it through laughter (the subject, that is, the photographer laughing might be a little hard to cope with).
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Reichstag posted:Straight photography disagrees. It might not come off erotic, but I can definitely imagine some deadpan portraiture involving erections being pretty cool. I have horrible images of me having an awkward moment laugh and it just deflating his confidence. But I think I while some of the hard shots may be cheesy they can probs still be sexy. I thought I might use some muslin for an interesting translucent covering in some shots...
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m4mbo posted:
Well, the position thing could be awkward, but honestly it will radically change the type of photographs he will probably want. You could ask in a more sensitive way, are you more aggressive or submissive in personality type. If he's muscular, do a lot of rake lighting to show off the muscles, oil will work well, and not too much bending as even guys with low body fat, wrinkled or scrunched up skin makes seeing the muscles harder. Also I don't think there is anything wrong with asking your friend if his friend knows you're straight. Asking the subject on the day or when he asks you could come across as weird, you could always drop "my girlfriend" or "my ex girlfriend" but I think it's better to ask your mutual friend if he told him. Also, while you will see dicks, Sean Cody and Corbin Fischer are some of the nicer porn websites in terms of how good their photography is. In fact you should see if you could replicate Corbin Fischer's look and I'm sure your friend would send you so many referrals you'll become "the gay photographer dude" in your city. It's mostly window light, but it's also very neutral, with a bit of a blue tone to it. Most pornographic stuff is done with tungsten indoor hot lights, so it's very different and distinctive.
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Reichstag posted:Straight photography disagrees. It might not come off erotic, but I can definitely imagine some deadpan portraiture involving erections being pretty cool. You're right, I think it's more I have no idea how I would approach it.
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Unrelated and I may have posted this before, but here is Stephen Shore talking about the limits of representation. http://www.aaschool.ac.uk//VIDEO/lecture.php?ID=1273
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Jan 23, 2011 22:55
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poopinmymouth posted:Well, the position thing could be awkward, but honestly it will radically change the type of photographs he will probably want. You could ask in a more sensitive way, are you more aggressive or submissive in personality type. Right, I think asking the assertive question is a very good way to go. Oh I'll definitely ask my friend, I'd just rather not mention it to the model lest he think I'm scared he'll hit on me or something (that said I am fantastically good looking and I'm sure I'll be hard for him to resist...) Currently sitting in the lounge while at my parents house so I might save proper investigation of those sites til later but I had a quick glance and it looked cool. Here is a shot of the window in the room I will be shooting in, if I can do it right it could be gorgeous... 
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SKULE123 posted:I do this up in my local Humane Society in Canada, having started late last year. torgeaux actually hooked me up with a good deal on a 100m macro when I started, and it has proven helpful for some of the small animals. Even though there's lots of dogs, cats, and small animals (birds, hamsters) at the shelter, I mostly trade in cats. I think this comes to the fact that for all the stray dogs they pick up, something like 59% of them head home - for cats, it's 5.9%. Thanks for sharing, would like to see some of the shots you've taken so far!
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I thought this is the 'no advice' thread; not how do I photo the gay. But I suppose it's better than that misogyny discussion.
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Jan 23, 2011 23:23
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m4mbo posted:Right, I think asking the assertive question is a very good way to go. If you're doing it there, and on film, I will murder you if you don't share the results. That looks like an amazing setting. Rated PG-34 posted:I thought this is the 'no advice' thread; not how do I photo the gay. It falls under "fun stuff". 
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Jan 23, 2011 23:26
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poopinmymouth posted:If you're doing it there, and on film, I will murder you if you don't share the results. That looks like an amazing setting. I'm going to shoot it on digital but I had been toying with running a roll through my Bronica as well.
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m4mbo posted:
If you have a medium format, it'd be nice to see it used in that kind of setup. Perfect, really.
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torgeaux posted:If you have a medium format, it'd be nice to see it used in that kind of setup. Perfect, really. T'will be done then, probs a good way to warm up the shoot actually.
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brad industry posted:This is a subforum on Something Awful, take it easy. Judging from my own fairly limited sample pool, the photo department at my art school/workplace is usually like 90% female students to 10% male. However, the entire photo faculty is men.
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Dr. Cogwerks posted:Judging from my own fairly limited sample pool, the photo department at my art school/workplace is usually like 90% female students to 10% male. Sounds like a psychology department 
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Ya know I'd never thought about it before, but in the photojournalism circle in my area, I know tons of males and only a single female.
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Another completely unscientific observation: The male photographers I know usually buy much more expensive gear, almost exclusively Canon with a big huge bag of gear. Status symbols ahoy! The female photographers I know are all either Dx0-level Nikon users or they're shooting film. Also they've been more likely to be into alt-process stuff and darkroom experimentation, encaustic layerings over prints, etc. One of the girls in my Photo 1 class stopped using her camera entirely and just did photograms by creating body impact patterns on vaseline over plate glass. It was pretty rad. (I'm also glad that I finally cut off my horrible ponytail, that's one stereotype down.)
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Dr. Cogwerks posted:Another completely unscientific observation: I've assisted three female photographers, each one had a Canon 5DmkII and at least an 85mm f1.2. Girls can be gear whores too. And make emasculating jokes about your non L lenses and crop body 
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poopinmymouth posted:Please, demonstrate to me a time I've done this. If you think expressing that someone is attractive is the same as implying one masturbates afterwards, it says a lot about you, or how you perceive gay men. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3244873&userid=75533 Please, can we stop calling me homophobic? It's a lame-rear end excuse, I've called out plenty enough guys for doing the same thing over pictures of girls too.
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I HATE CARS posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3244873&userid=75533 No, because if that's your reasoning (which I knew it was), not a single one implies I am "jerking it". If you're reading that into it, it's gotta be some added internal prejudices.
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I HATE CARS posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3244873&userid=75533 I don't see anything from you to make me thing you're a homophobe, but I see less from PIMM that matches what you called him out for. Is he a horndog? Sure. Don't know how he'd fit in here otherwise. But commenting on attractiveness is not what you've attributed to him. In any event, seems to me that this is a good end point to your spat. This is not "fun stuff" for those of us watching this go on.
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torgeaux posted:In any event, seems to me that this is a good end point to your spat. This is not "fun stuff" for those of us watching this go on. It's not fun to me either, but since we're on the topic... I would like to know from someone other than him if that kind of stuff does make you uncomfortable. Commenting on women's looks, joking or otherwise, is touchy because of how much women have to face every day in society, and can quickly make the dorkroom feel like an unsafe space. Even though men have a less than zero chance of being reminded of societies objectification of them from a compliment on a comedy forum, if it's not just one dude, I'll stop. I thought it would be funny, complimentary, and the thread was just a bunch of people posting their images with little commentary, so I thought extra (low) content posts might be ok.
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poopinmymouth posted:It's not fun to me either, but since we're on the topic... I would like to know from someone other than him if that kind of stuff does make you uncomfortable. Commenting on women's looks, joking or otherwise, is touchy because of how much women have to face every day in society, and can quickly make the dorkroom feel like an unsafe space. Even though men have a less than zero chance of being reminded of societies objectification of them from a compliment on a comedy forum, if it's not just one dude, I'll stop. I thought it would be funny, complimentary, and the thread was just a bunch of people posting their images with little commentary, so I thought extra (low) content posts might be ok. It's funny, if it were women, it would be off-putting, but for guys, it's seriously just funny because it's so against the norm. However, it shouldn't matter, objectively, so perhaps if you'd think it uncomfortable for me to comment on some woman, then it does make sense to make it a singe, uniform standard. I, Butthole posted:
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Dr. Cogwerks posted:Judging from my own fairly limited sample pool, the photo department at my art school/workplace is usually like 90% female students to 10% male. At my school we have roughly 40% guys, 60% girls. I can't talk about the whole photo faculty, but my current teachers are 4 women and 2 guys. And thanks for the Stephen Shore presentation whoever posted it and I can't be arsed to look for the person. Watching it now.
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