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So, I'm thinking about fixing the OP with better images and links/ information. Anyone have suggested replacement pics for both Vinland Saga/ Historie for the missing images and any new information to add? I am also considering changing the thread title to be a bit more general, since this thread has been from the get go not just Vinland Saga but also "manga about western history" or whatever. So, should the thread be diversified to be just... that, or should it be HISTORICAL MANGAS in general (which would get us Asian history too, which is less unique and possibly historical/ realistic)? Want to expand the thread at the very least to be about Otoyomegatari, which is fantastic. Zorak fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jan 25, 2011 |
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Jan 25, 2011 06:47
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Zorak posted:Want to expand the thread at the very least to be about Otoyomegatari, which is fantastic. Wow, this isn't bad at all. Will definitely be keeping up with that now too.
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I don't know why Otoyomegatari is so enthralling. It really does remind me of YKK, but with much better art.
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awkward_turtle posted:I'm always impressed by Yukimura Makoto's ability to express really profound things with both the art and the words. Planetes was the same for me. Amazing how much emotional impact she can get out of something as simple as "You have no enemies." Just for everyone else who may not know, Yukimura is a a dude. Here's his twitter.http://twitter.com/#!/makotoyukimura
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Zorak posted:Want to expand the thread at the very least to be about Otoyomegatari, which is fantastic.
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If you don't plan to already, then it would be tip top if you were to include Cesare. It's about a naive university student in Renaissance Italy who runs in the same circle as Cesare Borgia and comes to be friends with him amongst Cesare's PLOTTING and INTRIGUE. It's fantastic. edit: Oh and here is a good Vinland Saga image:  Here is a bigger version if you want. If you use that, you might wanna rehost it. Waffleimages was being a dick. edit again: By the way, for anyone who just discovered Otoyomegatari, consider reading Emma. Same author and also pretty great. Frankenstein Dad fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jan 25, 2011 |
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Zorak posted:
Thanks Zorak. It is indeed fantastic. EDIT: The level of detail in the art is absolutely astounding. Great story-telling too. Just... beautiful. JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jan 25, 2011 |
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Zorak posted:I am also considering changing the thread title to be a bit more general, since this thread has been from the get go not just Vinland Saga but also "manga about western history" or whatever. So, should the thread be diversified to be just... that, or should it be HISTORICAL MANGAS in general (which would get us Asian history too, which is less unique and possibly historical/ realistic)? Also seconding Cesare as a really great historical manga that a new OP could stand to put a spotlight on.
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Otoyomegatari was so relaxing to read. Going to have to start following that too. God, why can't I get introduced to a COMPLETED, amazing monthly manga for once? 
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Sellanraa Six posted:Otoyomegatari was so relaxing to read. Going to have to start following that too. Never thought I'd be totally engrossed in a chapter about embroidery.
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First we got Farmland Moe, now we get Embroidery Moe as well. Not to mention Woodcarving Moe. Oyotomegatari is awesome.
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It's not moe if they're good at it, I think? Like I tried to say in the Seinen thread, Otoyomegatari is heart-breakingly beautiful. The author has done a bunch of manga about actual maids in actual England, too. Would those also qualify for the Chillax Historical Fiction Megathread?
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Oyotomegatari is the embodiment of  . Pretty much all the author's stuff is just incredibly relaxing and interesting to read like this and you totally should.
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Eiba posted:I was going to object to expanding the scope too much, as that would end up leaving us open to the millions of samurai manga that exist, but drat if I'm not in love with Otoyomegatari pretty much at first sight. I think we could somehow distinguish manga that are really a good showcase for their unique setting from manga that just put their story in generic historical context, as the feudal setting is so familiar and generic to a Japanese audience. Yea, I can specialize it to be about non-Japan or something. Also, if people want Cesare in, please submit a good summary/ some pics for it. Also, again, if people want to suggest pics for Historie/ Vinland Saga, I'm all ears!
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I liked the first two-page spread in Historie. There aren't many of them! This gives the historical kernel at the heart of Vinland Saga. Neither of those seem especially riveting, though. It's a shame that "I hate Vikings!" and the farm stuff are spoilers.
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Zorak posted:So, I'm thinking about fixing the OP with better images and links/ information. Anyone have suggested replacement pics for both Vinland Saga/ Historie for the missing images and any new information to add? OP here. Firstly, you made me sad as I thought a new issue of Vinland came out. Cesare is an awesome manga and I plan to check out Otoyomegatari & Emma this evening. Feel free to make a new thread. I started it off with general background on Vinland and desired to highlight some historical manga but there didn't seem to be much interest. I'd love to see a thread helping discover similar manga, so go for it. I love the image I used in the OP of the viking boat charge, and I assume the horse-punching image is another popular one. Depends on your focus.
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No real need for a new OP, I was just going to edit it in. Of course, if you're around, you can always do it yourself and save me the effort too! Especially if you have the original (and now) broken images that you had in the OP because those were pretty good!
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Zorak posted:No real need for a new OP, I was just going to edit it in. Of course, if you're around, you can always do it yourself and save me the effort too! I'll try revamping the OP soon, though if we want to highlight a select group of awesome historical manga, it might be difficult for people to discover them with the current header. Didn't realize some of my images died, any idea what the policy is with Waffleimages and deletion of images? (And why some survived?) Curious if Waffle offers method to discover what the images once were, like a thumbnail.
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I can change titles and stuff. And the thing with waffleimages is that occasionally some of the hosts cease to exist. It's not a single uniform host, it uses donated space.
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Oh hey, it's chapter 71 of Vinland Saga. http://mangastream.com/read/vinland_saga/23803426/1 EDIT: Equal parts  and  Kingtheninja fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Kingtheninja posted:Oh hey, it's chapter 71 of Vinland Saga. Ahahah holy poo poo. I guess the author really wanted to let out some steam after all the farming stuff.
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Askeladd, Hell yeah! If anyone wasn't enjoying Farmville this probably isn't going to redeem the manga in their eyes (I think it rules, I would make all manga peaceful period pieces if I could)
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....!!!
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Ah, good timing on new issue. Was disappointed earlier today to be surprised by the release. Also, I love the strange faces in this manga.  Working on the OP. If anyone has images/descriptions to recommmend, feel free to post them. I'll try to mold it into something more mature tomorrow. Also, Zorak didn't realize it was you. (Work internet blocks special coloring/avatars.) I like your new avatar. :P
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Awww gently caress the next chapter isn't out til the end of march 
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I can't wait till then to read more pacifist saga.
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logger posted:I can't wait till then to read more pacifist saga. I hope it's pacifist saga that actually can accomplish something, anything, without violence, unlike gundam pacifists, who only gently caress things up for other people.
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DamnGlitch posted:I hope it's pacifist saga that actually can accomplish something, anything, without violence, unlike gundam pacifists, who only gently caress things up for other people. There's only so much a girl can do in a man's world 
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Pacifist Saga is the best Saga.
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DamnGlitch posted:I hope it's pacifist saga that actually can accomplish something, anything, without violence, unlike gundam pacifists, who only gently caress things up for other people. I think the TVtropes dudes call it "Technical Pacifism", where its ok to beat a dude within an inch of his life, as long as that inch is still there.
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L.E. Cheetah posted:I think the TVtropes dudes call it "Technical Pacifism", where its ok to beat a dude within an inch of his life, as long as that inch is still there. I don't know where exactly this is going but it's possible he'll still be violent in self defense, or when it's obviously justified, at least. I'm not actually sure about this development, even though I loved Farming Saga. Pacifism like this, not motivated by religion, kind of strikes me as one of those feel-good anachronisms that I was so happy didn't exist in this manga of brutal Vikings. Giving a protagonist in a historical context sympathetic modern values that are entirely inappropriate for their culture just so they don't alienate the reader really bothers me, and Vinland Saga was one of the few works that didn't. Still, I do feel there is plenty of justification for Thorfinn's change in the story, and I am looking forward to future adventures not based on the appeal of superviolence, so I'll remain cautiously optimistic.
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These are some very Buddhist Vikings. Fear of Karma? Compassion as the highest virtue? Valhalla replaced by a sadly material hell of constant anger/pride/warfare? How is Thorfinn supposed to become Christian at this rate?  Zo posted:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....!!! I see that you have forgotten there's a whole bunch of horse-punching still happening in England.
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Eiba posted:I'm not actually sure about this development, even though I loved Farming Saga. Pacifism like this, not motivated by religion, kind of strikes me as one of those feel-good anachronisms that I was so happy didn't exist in this manga of brutal Vikings. Giving a protagonist in a historical context sympathetic modern values that are entirely inappropriate for their culture just so they don't alienate the reader really bothers me, and Vinland Saga was one of the few works that didn't.
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So apparently the only way to react to a life of violence is by enjoying it and then perpetually seeking out more violence. No one ever got tired of killing and wanted a peaceful life during that time period. To say otherwise is an anachronism. Sheesh, I love horse punching as much as the next guy, but while Vinland Saga has made violence seem cool, it has never made it seem glorious.
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Serious Frolicking posted:So apparently the only way to react to a life of violence is by enjoying it and then perpetually seeking out more violence. No one ever got tired of killing and wanted a peaceful life during that time period. To say otherwise is an anachronism. Sheesh, I love horse punching as much as the next guy, but while Vinland Saga has made violence seem cool, it has never made it seem glorious. I'm pretty sure this will push the manga in a much more interesting direction. I'm just a bit uncomfortable about how closely Thorfinn's new ideals are to, well, modern Japanese ones. I love pacifism- heck as a kid idealistic pacifism was my favorite part of things like Gundam Wing and Trigun- but it's sitting a bit uncomfortably for me in this context. You get warrior redemption stories in history quite often, but always associated with a religious epiphany. Thorfinn here seems to have discovered pacifism largely for himself, which is not inconceivable, but seems a little... indulgent, considering a modern Japanese audience. That's all. It really is just a mild reservation for me, not some attempt at a scathing critique hidden in cautious language.
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L.E. Cheetah posted:I think the TVtropes dudes call it "Technical Pacifism", where its ok to beat a dude within an inch of his life, as long as that inch is still there. It seems hypocritical, and I'm sure when it's handled by Shounen Animé X it comes off as childish, but this can actually be competently done! I'm reminded of the fight scene in Akahige (yes I'm spoilering this, it's a movie worth watching) Mifune's character disables a bunch of gangsters (dislocating their bones and such) and then immediately begins to heal them (relocates a gangster's jaw/tells another protagonist to "tend to them"). Think Kenshin ethos but with a meaningful, compassionate follow-up. MoaM fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Eiba posted:That's all. It really is just a mild reservation for me, not some attempt at a scathing critique hidden in cautious language. It was present from the start with Thors' straight-up judo-punching folks. And as far as religious conversion, I'm pretty sure they're setting Thorfinn up for one'a'them.
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