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Does a hiring freeze mean that they aren't hiring anybody period or that their number of employees will stay where it is now?
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i think it means they aren't going to hire anyone and they might not replace people who leave either, or replace every other person
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Jan 26, 2011 01:30
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Roger_Mudd posted:A job! Hey, don't edit out the email address. I need booze money!
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Talked to my law professor about prepping for a career in IP over the summer. Besides the obvious "pass the patent bar" advice she recommended working at an IP-related non-profit to demonstrate interest and do something legal related. Anybody have any suggestions on any IP-related summer positions to apply for? I have a good (top ~5%) GPA at a T30 school in California, and would prefer something in California or Boston. My ugrad degree was in CS. Like all 1Ls I am willing to work for free and offer Damn Phantom fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Jan 26, 2011 01:49
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Roger_Mudd posted:A job! It's a writing gig for someone who already has success stories or advice to give... So the job is only for people who already have jobs? I don't think that's going to help the school's employment numbers.
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drat Phantom posted:Talked to my law professor about prepping for a career in IP over the summer. Besides the obvious "pass the patent bar" advice she recommended working at an IP-related non-profit to demonstrate interest and do something legal related. A good University technology transfer office might not be the worst idea if you are desperate.
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Jan 26, 2011 03:16
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drat Phantom posted:Talked to my law professor about prepping for a career in IP over the summer. Besides the obvious "pass the patent bar" advice she recommended working at an IP-related non-profit to demonstrate interest and do something legal related. It depends on what you want to do. If you want to do patent prosecution, then just try to get that type of experience, even at a small patent prosecution shop. If you want to do litigation, licensing, whatever, then maybe that professor's idea would work. Lots of CA companies also hire 1Ls as in-house interns.
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Devoz posted:A good University technology transfer office might not be the worst idea if you are desperate. Not saying causation, but both of the students in my class who got Summer gigs at our tech transfer office ended up with biglaw IP jobs. EFF is bigname too but you've got less than a week to apply: http://www.eff.org/about/opportunities/interns Edit: It sounds suspiciously like you're at Davis. That's a tough tech transfer office to get into with a CS degree as they are much heavier into biosci related stuff. You should apply nonetheless. It's a paid position too, unless something has changed. srsly fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Jan 26, 2011 04:55
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I just read the text of his speech and I really hope that his cuts to the federal government don't last. Justice, the EPA, the SEC, the NRLB: these things are actually very efficient organizations, and it would be stupid and wrong to cut them instead of social security, medicare, or the military. Seriously, all of Justice runs on 30 billion dollars a year. If I'm not mistaken, that's every federal courthouse, every federal judge, every ausa, and every federal defender, as well as all their support and maintenance costs. Thirty billion of two trillion. Pennies on the dollar. Also I want a job. EDIT: I looked it up and the judiciary is a separate budget item (seven billion). Still, that's really cheap for a national system. billion dollar bitch fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Jan 26, 2011 05:05
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Thanks for all the ideas! As mrtoodles suspects, I'm currently at Davis. I'm more interested in litigation and licensing than prosecution. The tech transfer office idea is sound and I'll be looking into that over the next few days. I'll also keep my eye out for in-house intern positions at various CA companies. Is there any kind of index I can run through of the big players in CA who'd be likely to hire? I'm only really aware of Yahoo and Google. edit: Just found this listing, although it's a bit outdated. Maybe it'll be of some use to other CA 1Ls who may be lurking. http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files/CSO/accasurvey.pdf Damn Phantom fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Jan 26, 2011 05:08
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drat Phantom posted:Thanks for all the ideas! As mrtoodles suspects, I'm currently at Davis. I'm more interested in litigation and licensing than prosecution. Are you the homie I hooked up the DropBox with? Regardless, one thing you might want to do is look into tech companies in the OC and Del Mar (San Diego). There's a growing tech and entrepreneur feel in both those areas. Del Mar is more pharmaceuticals, biotech and medical devices if that's your bag.
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drat Phantom posted:Thanks for all the ideas! As mrtoodles suspects, I'm currently at Davis. I'm more interested in litigation and licensing than prosecution. The career services office at Berkeley puts together a really good list of companies that hire legal interns, complete with details and contact info, how/when to apply. To my recollection both Cisco and Sun had decent programs when I was in school. But there's a ton of companies I had never heard of or never would have thought of. If you have any connections at Berkeley, see if you can get your hands on that list. Also, you need to go to the SFIPLA job fair this summer. That is how I got my biglaw patent litigation job (I went to Davis too). The Loyola Chicago one is a total crapshoot if you're not coming from a T14. I had not the greatest grades ever my 1L year and I still got 8 interviews and 2 offers from the SFIPLA fair -- You're really only competing against the other 5 NorCal schools and a lot of firms take it as an opportunity to check out the talent from schools they don't do OCI at, i.e. Davis. The SFIPLA job fair is open only to SFIPLA student members, so go sign up right now. And the sign-up deadline is strangely early if I recall.. like in May or June. The fair usually takes place before your 1L Summer is even over. A lot of my classmates interested in IP law didn't go because they "didn't know about it" or were "just gonna do the one in Chicago". I think that turned out to be a serious mistake. I had a summer offer at my first choice firm Thursday of the first week of OCI. People who had better grades than me are still unemployed.
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Tons of companies in Silicon Valley have in house legal interns. Just off the top of my head, I know that the following companies have or at least had in house legal interns primarily geared towards 1Ls: Cisco, Sun (so now Oracle if they kept the program), Google, NetGear, HP, eBay, Intel, Sandisk, Yahoo, Applied Materials... Someone mentioned the EFF - you could also try the ACLU's technology and liberty group.
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mrtoodles posted:The career services office at Berkeley puts together a really good list of companies that hire legal interns, complete with details and contact info, how/when to apply. To my recollection both Cisco and Sun had decent programs when I was in school. But there's a ton of companies I had never heard of or never would have thought of.
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I'm forced to take a law class for my non-law grad program (Urban Planning). I'm not happy about it at all. I came into it knowing nothing about this whole law school trip and caring less. The book is nigh-unreadable. Sure, I can read the actual words, but they're almost impossible to put together into any kind of meaning, and I find myself spacing out after half a page. So help me out here, and I apologize if this has been long covered. Is there a very comprehensive online law case database with tons and tons of cases, so I can search for a case and get a fairly concise summary, rather than read page after page of jargon? Or at least, so I go back and read the jargonish details with some kind of idea about what the whole mess is supposed to be about. Thanks!
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There is such a database, but it's subscription only and you will probably find the case summaries as inscrutable as the cases themselves. It's called Westlaw. If you go to your school's law library, you should be able to use the library's Westlaw account to look up the cases, but you'll have to understand the citation format oh gently caress it what's the use
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Kaiser Bill posted:I'm forced to take a law class for my non-law grad program (Urban Planning). I'm not happy about it at all. I came into it knowing nothing about this whole law school trip and caring less. The book is nigh-unreadable. Sure, I can read the actual words, but they're almost impossible to put together into any kind of meaning, and I find myself spacing out after half a page. So help me out here, and I apologize if this has been long covered. Is there a very comprehensive online law case database with tons and tons of cases, so I can search for a case and get a fairly concise summary, rather than read page after page of jargon? Or at least, so I go back and read the jargonish details with some kind of idea about what the whole mess is supposed to be about. Thanks! What you are looking for are 'briefs' and it is what lawyers are paid to write so no not really. And as Phil says, anything you find on Westlaw or Lexis is going to be just as jargonheavy as the case itself. As for legal writing being the death of meaning - yes, see the Rodell essay I posted on the last page. Legal writing isn't supposed to have meaning. That would prevent lawyers from being able to function as priests.
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Kaiser Bill posted:I'm forced to take a law class for my non-law grad program (Urban Planning). I'm not happy about it at all. I came into it knowing nothing about this whole law school trip and caring less. The book is nigh-unreadable. Sure, I can read the actual words, but they're almost impossible to put together into any kind of meaning, and I find myself spacing out after half a page. So help me out here, and I apologize if this has been long covered. Is there a very comprehensive online law case database with tons and tons of cases, so I can search for a case and get a fairly concise summary, rather than read page after page of jargon? Or at least, so I go back and read the jargonish details with some kind of idea about what the whole mess is supposed to be about. Thanks! nm fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Kaiser Bill posted:I'm forced to take a law class for my non-law grad program (Urban Planning). I'm not happy about it at all. I came into it knowing nothing about this whole law school trip and caring less. The book is nigh-unreadable. Sure, I can read the actual words, but they're almost impossible to put together into any kind of meaning, and I find myself spacing out after half a page. So help me out here, and I apologize if this has been long covered. Is there a very comprehensive online law case database with tons and tons of cases, so I can search for a case and get a fairly concise summary, rather than read page after page of jargon? Or at least, so I go back and read the jargonish details with some kind of idea about what the whole mess is supposed to be about. Thanks! Law books are all horribly written. Also, here is Posner owning the bluebook.
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Kaiser Bill posted:I'm forced to take a law class for my non-law grad program (Urban Planning). I'm not happy about it at all. I came into it knowing nothing about this whole law school trip and caring less. The book is nigh-unreadable. Sure, I can read the actual words, but they're almost impossible to put together into any kind of meaning, and I find myself spacing out after half a page. So help me out here, and I apologize if this has been long covered. Is there a very comprehensive online law case database with tons and tons of cases, so I can search for a case and get a fairly concise summary, rather than read page after page of jargon? Or at least, so I go back and read the jargonish details with some kind of idea about what the whole mess is supposed to be about. Thanks! The others have already covered the standard issue answers. As a last resort, you can always try Wikipedia (if it's a big name case) or typing the name/citation into google and seeing if some desperate student has uploaded a brief to the web.
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I have often considered posting misleading information on wikis of cases we're covering in class, to make the curve easier.
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billion dollar bitch posted:I have often considered posting misleading information on wikis of cases we're covering in class, to make the curve easier.
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mrtoodles posted:If you have any connections at Berkeley, see if you can get your hands on that list. Ya if this was for the Davis homie who has my AIM you know what to do.
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billion dollar bitch posted:I have often considered posting misleading information on wikis of cases we're covering in class, to make the curve easier. Do it. If they're using wiki when they have access to case summaries through Lexis/Westlaw, they deserve to fail.
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billion dollar bitch posted:I have often considered posting misleading information on wikis of cases we're covering in class, to make the curve easier. You really think you can pull one over on wikipedia editors? Lawyer wikipedia editors?
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Ainsley McTree posted:You really think you can pull one over on wikipedia editors? Lawyer wikipedia editors? somewhere, parahexavoctal just awoke in the dead of night, sweating, stick in hand someone....someone is...vandalizing
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I'm taking law and literature this semester and it's p. cool. Any ideas what I could write a paper on? A couple of things I've been kicking around are the use of humour in judicial opinions, or the depiction of law in space operas. If Bioware RPGs count as literature maybe I could do something with that 
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Law textbooks are a gigantic loving game of hide-the-ball and are meant to be more difficult than they should be so they can justify this stupid loving tradition of worthlessness. God drat, last semester of law school makes me want to kill myself.
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Ainsley McTree posted:You really think you can pull one over on wikipedia editors? Lawyer wikipedia editors? Wikipedia's entries on major legal concepts and big cases are really helpful, and highlight what a limited overpriced piece of poo poo Lexis/Westlaw ultimately are. Lets say I need to briefly look up the Supreme Court's punitive damages decision in State Farm v. Campbell. I can go to Westlaw and read the entire case, OR I can trawl through a million loving databases hoping someone did a precis entirely on State Farm, randomly sorting through keywords. Or I can go to wikipedia in 10 seconds, and read: The Court reached this conclusion applying guideposts first noted in BMW of North America, Inc. v. Gore, 517 U. S. 559 (1996), requiring courts to consider: (1) The degree of reprehensibility of the defendant's misconduct, (2) The disparity between the actual or potential harm suffered by the plaintiff and the punitive damages award. (3) The difference between the punitive damages awarded by the jury and the civil penalties authorized or imposed in comparable cases. Which 90% of the time is what I need for a quick answer. Then I can do additional research from there. And if you go to their punitive damage section, it cites to State Farm and BMW, the two major cases. It's even more helpful when you need to get started on a new legal concept. What am I supposed to do in Westlaw to get grounded in punitive damages? Searching randomly for a keyword is a joke. Or I go to wikipedia and, hey, here's the two cases that EVERYONE will cite. Copernic fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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Went to court today. Two for three: (1) Not Guilty, (2) Charge Dismissed, (3) Guilty with only court costs. Traffic court didn't know what hit it. Must be all of this lawyer knowledge I gleaned from last semester. I was lucky and the judge was nice.That said, I saw two Real Lawyers (private, not court appointed) there representing some clients. One of them was obviously there frequently -- shooting the poo poo with the courtroom deputies, greeting the police officers, talking with the clerk, etc. How much does this type of representation cost, in all? $200? $500? It seems like a pretty straightforward procedure/issue set for these guys.
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Wikipedia and 24 oz. lo-carb monster got me a B+ on my antitrust final. Take of that what you will.
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I use Wikipedia all the time as an entry point to a new legal issue. As a primary source, it is worse than worthless, but I do mine it intensively for the articles' citations.
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Green Crayons posted:That said, I saw two Real Lawyers (private, not court appointed) there representing some clients. One of them was obviously there frequently -- shooting the poo poo with the courtroom deputies, greeting the police officers, talking with the clerk, etc. How much does this type of representation cost, in all? $200? $500? It seems like a pretty straightforward procedure/issue set for these guys. Traffic tickets? round these parts its 50-75$
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Napoleon I posted:24 oz. lo-carb monster requesting name change. it's what they already call me in watch and w00t
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Roger_Mudd posted:Traffic tickets? round these parts its 50-75$ Standing outside traffic court in a suit with a briefcase and a legal pad will lead to more money than doc review or unemployment.
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poofactory posted:Standing outside traffic court in a suit with a briefcase and a legal pad will lead to more money than doc review or unemployment. Hanging around immigration court after appearances will usually net me another client.
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CaptainScraps posted:Law textbooks are a gigantic loving game of hide-the-ball and are meant to be more difficult than they should be so they can justify this stupid loving tradition of worthlessness. Law texts should be: "Look up these cases on westlaw, on and you can skip pp. X-Y." If law textbooks actually explained something (like say, hornbooks), that would be different, but they're just case after case after case.
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CaptainScraps posted:Law textbooks are a gigantic loving game of hide-the-ball and are meant to be more difficult than they should be so they can justify this stupid loving tradition of worthlessness. My CivPro processor decided that all textbooks were terrible, so he "created" his own, which was a binder full if cases that he personally edited. It was the epitome of worthlessness.
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Macunaima posted:Hanging around immigration court after appearances will usually net me another client. Aw the prestige of law. I can smell it on you.
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