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Karmine posted:
Well that's just loving dumb. quote:but I think MitB might be a better fit for him. That makes more sense.
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Actually what I want most is Jack Swagger to win the Royal Rumble so he can win the Raw world title at Wrestlemania then lose it to Triple H and immediately get busted back down to the midcard so fast he isn't even booked at Summerslam again
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Ziggler will win MITB and lose when he cashes in, because this is what they regularly do to Ziggler.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Ziggler will win MITB and lose when he cashes in, because this is what they regularly do to Ziggler. We call it Mysterio Booking.
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Jan 26, 2011 19:11
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When was wrestling the most profitable as an industry for the workers?
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Sue Denim posted:When was wrestling the most profitable as an industry for the workers? It's really hard to say without knowing really anything about how they've been paid and what metrics we'd really use.
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Captain Charisma posted:It's really hard to say without knowing really anything about how they've been paid and what metrics we'd really use. This is true but having said that, it's probably fair to assume it was most profitable for the wrestlers when it was most profitable in general, and I doubt it'd ever been more profitable than it was at the height of the Monday Night Wars. Well, maybe some time during the territory days, but I dunno, with TV, PPV, merch, home video...it's an obvious answer but I think it's a solid guess.
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I would guess that, if only because of the ridiculous contracts WCW was giving out. The one I always think of is how they paid Lanny Poffo for like 4 years and he sat home the entire time. But I think the key was that the public was rabid for wrestling, and rabid for more than one company. It's very different than the 80s, where most of the interest was devoted to one company with the NWA coming up way behind. Ratings were very high, buyrate were very high, merchandise sold very well, attendance was fantastic. And not only that, but there was actual free agency, as wrestlers could negotiate and threaten to go to another company.
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Sue Denim posted:When was wrestling the most profitable as an industry for the workers? Monday Night Wars meant as a midcarder, you could easily make $120,000 per year. Also, the highest paid wrestlers were nearly hitting $10M. Second place would be the Territories in the 70s and 80s. I recall Dutch Mantell mentioning he was making a couple thousand per month by simply being a midcard guy in a hot program. However, it was tough to get into a top spot back then, tougher than even the Monday Night Wars era.
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Who's paler? Sheamus  Or Bryan Danielson before he sold out to the evil capitalist tanning beds? 
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Sue Denim posted:When was wrestling the most profitable as an industry for the workers? For the top guys? The Monday Night Wars. Goldberg was getting 3,000,000 Guaranteed per year, Hogan more than that, Austin and Rock were earning close to 10,000,000 at their peak. In terms of the most wrestlers being able to earn the most money? The territorial days by far. The number of wrestlers who could make a living as a wrestler has steadily declined over the last 30 years. Before national expansion you could make a living as a wrestler in the Northeast with WWWF/WWF, in Florida, Texas (at times more than one office operated in Texas!) Memphis, Montreal, Calgary, Mid South, Mid Atlantic with JCP, Georgia, Kansas City, Oregon, LA, San Francisco, the AWA and Detroit. There were others too. I'd guess the peak for this would be the early 70s? But if you were a trained wrestler, there was a living to be made. You might have to pick up and move every couple years unless you were really entrenched, but there was always work. The schedule loving sucked unless you were in the AWA, and no one was making the money that Cena, Orton, HHH, Rey and Undertaker are making today, but for the average wrestler times were way more profitable back then.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:Sweet honourable christ! This is terrifying.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:Or Bryan Danielson before he sold out to the evil capitalist tanning beds? He looks like Kratos.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:Who's paler? Sheamus or Bryan Danielson before he sold out to the evil capitalist tanning beds? Bryanielson's being nailed by a flash which the white balance of the camera that took that photo didn't correct for, hence the icy blue effect. The answer to "Who's paler?" is always Sheamus.
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Hockles posted:Has there ever been a gimmick of an American Civil War soldier? The Southern Boys (Tracy Smothers and Steve Armstrong) came out in Confederate gear, but it wasn't like specific characters.
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:Sweet honourable christ! This is terrifying. To be fair, the lightning is much, much different.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:Who's paler? Sheamus is Irish and a ginge. There is no possible paler combination in this world. That Danielson picture is fantastic. Any idea what match it is from?
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MrMondayNight posted:Sheamus is Irish and a ginge. There is no possible paler combination in this world. That Danielson picture is fantastic. Any idea what match it is from? It is after his match with Nigel McGuinness that happened on the Domination event in Philadelphia, but aired on the Driven PPV. Bryan Danielson's skin was so pale in ROH that Roderick Strong's chop marks remained visible on his skin for nearly 2 months.
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Is there no WCW Wednesday Nitro tonight? I was looking forward to being able to watch it this week.
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Is there actual advantages for the wrestlers themselves being independent contractors? It's weird hearing about how they need to pay for their own wrestling gear, health bills etc while only being able to work with WWE. The word independent implies you should be able to hop around wrestling companies if you want to but that's clearly not the case. They seem to get the poo poo end of the stick most of time.
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savinhill posted:Is there no WCW Wednesday Nitro tonight? I was looking forward to being able to watch it this week. I was half planning on doing something myself but it wasn't ready in time and I wasn't sure if Ziggy was planning one or not, but I might do one next week or even on the Sunday unless Ziggy has one in mind.
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Is there actual advantages for the wrestlers themselves being independent contractors? It's weird hearing about how they need to pay for their own wrestling gear, health bills etc while only being able to work with WWE. The word independent implies you should be able to hop around wrestling companies if you want to but that's clearly not the case. WWE wrestlers are not independent contractors at all and WWE just claims they are for horseshit reasons to not make them liable for some things.
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Is there actual advantages for the wrestlers themselves being independent contractors?
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:Who's paler? But Danielson has vitiligo, right?
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Captain Charisma posted:WWE wrestlers are not independent contractors at all and WWE just claims they are for horseshit reasons to not make them liable for some things. Like pensions and paid leave right? I seem to remember a shoot interview with Jesse Ventura saying they don't receive any of those things.
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savinhill posted:Is there no WCW Wednesday Nitro tonight? I was looking forward to being able to watch it this week. Wednesday Nitro is every two weeks to prevent burnout. It'll be back next week.
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tzirean posted:But Danielson has vitiligo, right? Yeah, I think that's why he became vegan.
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Like pensions and paid leave right? I seem to remember a shoot interview with Jesse Ventura saying they don't receive any of those things. Yeah and more, its basically just a way for Vince to gently caress them as much as possible while pushing some libertarian bullshit 'they can make their own choices' rear end lie which has nothing to do with anything.
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Jerusalem posted:I was half planning on doing something myself but it wasn't ready in time and I wasn't sure if Ziggy was planning one or not, but I might do one next week or even on the Sunday unless Ziggy has one in mind. edit: Thanks, Ziggy, I just saw your post, hopefully I can watch next week. savinhill fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Jan 27, 2011 |
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Like pensions and paid leave right? I seem to remember a shoot interview with Jesse Ventura saying they don't receive any of those things. Ventura left the company after he found out he wasn't getting a cent in royalties. He sued the company, the court ruled in his favor, and jumped to WCW. He has to get royalties for every release he's on now, and that's why you'll hear a lot of dead air in late 80s/early 90s WWF matches and some early 90s WCW matches, since they edit him out.
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Captain Charisma posted:Ventura left the company after he found out he wasn't getting a cent in royalties. He sued the company, the court ruled in his favor, and jumped to WCW. He has to get royalties for every release he's on now, and that's why you'll hear a lot of dead air in late 80s/early 90s WWF matches and some early 90s WCW matches, since they edit him out. I'm pretty glad to hear that he won that case to be honest. WWE do good things, but some of the ways they try and screw talent over is a bit disheartening. Also isn't the way WWE are going about things sort of backwards? By screwing over talent aren't they effectively creating a hostile market and preventing capable people to look at professional wrestling as a potential career? On the other hand though, there seems to be a line of guys ready to give their bodies to the sport so I have no clue.
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Is there a specific rule about the footage used for Wednesday Nitro/Whatever J-ru runs opposite TNA PPV type things? Is it generally just stuff thats not easily available to buy on DVD is ok?
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I can't speak for Ziggy, I just put together stuff I think people would enjoy watching (or punish them if they choose to want to watch a Noxious Nitro). Almost all of the stuff is "old" and in general I aim for things that a lot of people may have missed when it first aired or only heard others talk about. By "old" I mean pre-2001, because the world is full of children.
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Jerusalem posted:I can't speak for Ziggy, I just put together stuff I think people would enjoy watching (or punish them if they choose to want to watch a Noxious Nitro). Almost all of the stuff is "old" and in general I aim for things that a lot of people may have missed when it first aired or only heard others talk about. drat kids  I was more thinking if someone (not neccessarily me, just saying) in the run up to a major event was to decide to show old Summerslams say, would that get vetoed due to the Summerslam events being readily available to buy as opposed to the themed compilations you make or the old nitros that Ziggy shows.
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That's more a question for the mods I guess, probably better to PM HulkaMatt about that type of thing.
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MassRayPer posted:But if you were a trained wrestler, there was a living to be made. You might have to pick up and move every couple years unless you were really entrenched, but there was always work. The schedule loving sucked unless you were in the AWA, and no one was making the money that Cena, Orton, HHH, Rey and Undertaker are making today, but for the average wrestler times were way more profitable back then.
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Jerusalem posted:I was half planning on doing something myself but it wasn't ready in time and I wasn't sure if Ziggy was planning one or not, but I might do one next week or even on the Sunday unless Ziggy has one in mind. You could always do it tomorrow, maybe around 9 PM EST.
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Sue Denim posted:That' the impression I got, some of the money Cornette said he was making in the territory days shocked me, as I'd always thought wrestlers struggled financially before there was a nationally broadcast product, turns out I couldn't be more wrong. By the sounds of it people did fairly well if they had name recognition and if they were in the south the celebrity it afforded them was a huge perk. I think most of the stories we hear from those days are in biographies or documentaries, and are of people who eventually found fame later on? So the few stories I've really heard were really only told to us in order to draw a parallell between their early struggles, and eventual success?
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