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The A-Team Van posted:Why is Rey the only masked wrestler on the main roster? Vince historically doesn't like masked guys.
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jeffersonlives posted:Vince historically doesn't like masked guys. He believes that the mask makes it harder for people to see their facial expressions and therefore connect with the character. If I remember correctly.
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Jan 27, 2011 05:54
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I remember hearing Stephanie McMahon wanted to get rid of Ultimo Dragons mask but I could be wrong. Something about wanting Rey to be the only masked wrestler on the roster.
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Jan 27, 2011 06:17
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The A-Team Van posted:Why is Rey the only masked wrestler on the main roster? Because he's the only one who looks like an 11 year old boy
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Jan 27, 2011 06:45
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Faxman posted:Because he's the only one who looks like an 11 year old boy Hornswoggle?
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Hornswoggle? HE'S GOT A BEARD!!!
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rotinaj posted:He believes that the mask makes it harder for people to see their facial expressions and therefore connect with the character. If I remember correctly. I still can't believe nobody has pointed at Mexico and at all the kids in Rey masks in WWE's own crowds and said,"Those dudes in masks sure sell lots of merchandise, Vince, FOR MONEY!"
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Jan 27, 2011 07:00
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Admitting that guys in masks can draw and connect with an audience would be admitting that he was wrong, and Vince McMahon never does that.
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Jan 27, 2011 07:07
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Shiki Dan posted:Admitting that guys in masks can draw and connect with an audience would be admitting that he was wrong, and Vince McMahon never does that. Not without sacrificing at least one (1) Brian Pillman the night before.
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Jan 27, 2011 07:09
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Captain Charisma posted:Ventura left the company after he found out he wasn't getting a cent in royalties. He sued the company, the court ruled in his favor, and jumped to WCW. He has to get royalties for every release he's on now, and that's why you'll hear a lot of dead air in late 80s/early 90s WWF matches and some early 90s WCW matches, since they edit him out. I believe they've some kind of agreement, I think it was around 2005 or so. His voice is used in most old footage now, that I've seen. The last time I remember it being edited out was in 2004, I think. I remember some stories coming out about them finally working things out.
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El Duke posted:I believe they've some kind of agreement, I think it was around 2005 or so. His voice is used in most old footage now, that I've seen. The last time I remember it being edited out was in 2004, I think. I remember some stories coming out about them finally working things out. Well, he was a guest host, so I would imagine that bridges have been mended. Also he did the voiceover for the Mania Behind Mania for WM 19.
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Hockles posted:Well, he was a guest host, so I would imagine that bridges have been mended. Also he did the voiceover for the Mania Behind Mania for WM 19. Strangely enough I think the voiceover was before the deal was made. He was also a guest referee at SummerSlam 99, but the editing out still existed way past then.
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Jan 27, 2011 08:42
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El Duke posted:I believe they've some kind of agreement, I think it was around 2005 or so. His voice is used in most old footage now, that I've seen. The last time I remember it being edited out was in 2004, I think. I remember some stories coming out about them finally working things out. I popped in some 3 disc sets I found over winter break from around 2006-08 and Ventura was almost nowhere to be found. It's really sporadic.
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Jan 27, 2011 09:42
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Captain Charisma posted:I popped in some 3 disc sets I found over winter break from around 2006-08 and Ventura was almost nowhere to be found. It's really sporadic. Weird. I know I've heard him pop up on some stuff around 2006 or so, and they didn't edit him out of the Wrestlemania releases. I've mainly heard him edited out of his WCW stuff, I'm wondering if there was an issue with that specifically. Lonely, lonely Tony Schiavone.
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Jan 27, 2011 09:47
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The one I specifically remember are the Ventura Silences on the Dusty Rhodes DVD in the WWF stuff.
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Captain Charisma posted:The one I specifically remember are the Ventura Silences on the Dusty Rhodes DVD in the WWF stuff. Looking around, it looks like sometime in 2006 they may have come to some agreement, or they're doing it on a per case basis, deciding whether or not the commentary is vital enough to include and pay royalties: "This may be why WWF/WWE's archival footage featuring Ventura's commentary has been frequently edited out on their DVD releases (such as The History of WrestleMania: 1985-1993, The Greatest Wrestling Stars of the 80s, Bret Hart and The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior, though some earlier DVDs included his commentary, such as the Hogan/Warrior match included as a bonus on the WrestleMania X8 set). His commentary is included on the recent WrestleMania box set, the Royal Rumble box set, and History Of The WWE Championship, Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology and Born to Controversy: The Roddy Piper Story DVDs however." Pretty much everything they mention as omitting it is pre-2006, while everything included is after, or late 06 (Piper). The Dusty set was mid 2006.
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I like how the Ventura-less list is mostly awesome DVDs, the Ventura list is ones that are either obscenely expensive or that don't really look appealing.
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The A-Team Van posted:Why is Rey the only masked wrestler on the main roster? That way it's harder to get a conviction after he brutally maims the rest of the roster with the knee braces of doom.
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Jan 27, 2011 12:24
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The A-Team Van posted:Why is Rey the only masked wrestler on the main roster? Isn't that kinda like asking how come Mark Henry is the only black guy weighing over 300 pounds on the roster? Kind of a niche trait. Luchadors - cruiserweights in general - aren't really in right now. A mask doesn't really suit Alberto's gimmick or any of the Nexus/NXT guys. Besides Yoshi or maybe Tyler Reks I can't even think of anyone they should slap a mask on.
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Jan 27, 2011 13:07
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I thought if Ventura did commentary on a majority of the matches they want on the set, they pay him. If it's just one or two matches, they just silence him.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I thought if Ventura did commentary on a majority of the matches they want on the set, they pay him. Pretty much this and however Vince is feeling when someone asks him to sign off on keeping Jesse in.
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Jan 27, 2011 13:45
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Web Jew.0 posted:Luchadors - cruiserweights in general - aren't really in right now. A mask doesn't really suit Alberto's gimmick or any of the Nexus/NXT guys. Besides Yoshi or maybe Tyler Reks I can't even think of anyone they should slap a mask on.
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Same deal with Kane really.
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Web Jew.0 posted:cruiserweights in general - aren't really in right now. If by IN you mean IN WWE - sure!
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For the PPVs at least, if you want Ventura you can just buy the tagged classics versions that Silvervision released in Europe. Nothing is edited on them, so you can have Ventura, the wwf scratch logo and whatever else they've been removing from US dvds.
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My understanding is that, if they wanted to, WWE could use the WWF name and scratch logo all they wanted to in the states. I wonder, then, how hard would it be to just put the uncensored stuff out in the US and the distorted/bleeped versions elsewhere?
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I've always found it unbelievably infuriating that the UK gets uncensored releases when the loving court order was against using the logo in the UK.
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TL posted:My understanding is that, if they wanted to, WWE could use the WWF name and scratch logo all they wanted to in the states. I wonder, then, how hard would it be to just put the uncensored stuff out in the US and the distorted/bleeped versions elsewhere? I'm fairly certain it's the opposite of this. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I'm fairly certain it's the opposite of this. Maybe I'm wrong though. It was an international trademark dispute heard in an international court. The ruling did not have any effect on the WWF name in the US, only internationally. In fact, it was only regarding the initialization and not the name World Wrestling Federation, so they could have referred to themselves as World Wrestling Federation and not WWF and been fine.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I'm fairly certain it's the opposite of this. Maybe I'm wrong though. I think you are. The Panda WWF is called the World Wide Fund For Nature in the States.
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HulkaMatt posted:If by IN you mean IN WWE - sure! Yeah that's what the question was referring to. TNA and ROH have masked wrestlers on the main roster.
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Web Jew.0 posted:Isn't that kinda like asking how come Mark Henry is the only black guy weighing over 300 pounds on the roster? Kind of a niche trait. Rey's been the only masked wrestler in WWE for so long that the writers probably consider it his "unique" thing now. I couldn't see them bringing in another masked guy long term unless he's a heel bent on ending Rey's career.
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Has Vince McMahon ever been a face?
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Toadofsky posted:Has Vince McMahon ever been a face? Yes, a few times. His feud with HHH and during the Invasion.
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Toadofsky posted:Has Vince McMahon ever been a face? Before he was revealed as the higher power.
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Toadofsky posted:Has Vince McMahon ever been a face? Also during McMahons v. Legacy.
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Where did the term "dusty finish" originate?
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savinhill posted:Where did the term "dusty finish" originate? When Dusty was a booker, he would end a lot of matches this way, so people started calling it a Dusty Finish. I think Eddie Graham started it though.
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savinhill posted:Where did the term "dusty finish" originate? Basically when Dusty was head booker of JCP and WCW, he would have a babyface win the world title and then just reverse on TV out of nowhere. No rematch. Nothing. Usually right after said match. Examples: 1. The last Bunkhouse Stampede before JCP went under. 2. Although he wasn't head booker at the time, the Piper vs Hogan 1 match at Starrcade '96 has shades of a dusty finish. ColeM fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 29, 2011 |
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The usual way it would end would be the one guy throwing the other over the top rope while the ref wasn't looking (something that was a DQ in the company back then), and then the babyface would win. Then another ref would come out, tell the original ref would happen, and the heel would be DQ'd, retaining his title.
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