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Neko Sou posted:Do any of you guys have any experience with The Innocence Project? http://www.innocenceproject.org/?gclid=CPTk-cCa26YCFUdrKgodDRdO2A I already have an externship in federal district court this summer but I'd really like to do this too. But they need you to work full-time in the summer and part-time during fall semester. It seems like a good learning opportunity and it pays $2,500 (which is better than free). I feel like learning from a judge and the networking/letter of recommendation I'm going to get from the externship this summer will be more helpful but I don't know if I should try to do this at the same time somehow or maybe next summer if I can't find a firm job. I took the Innocence Project class my school offered. From what I remember the instructor saying, most of the work an extern does for them is read the bajillions of pro se requests for new trials. 99.9% of the requests boil down to "I deserve a new trial because I didn't stab her" or "the cops planted the weed." On the other hand, becoming familiar with the Innocence Project is important (and absolutely mind blowing) if you plan on going into criminal.
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Neko Sou posted:Do any of you guys have any experience with The Innocence Project? http://www.innocenceproject.org/?gclid=CPTk-cCa26YCFUdrKgodDRdO2A I already have an externship in federal district court this summer but I'd really like to do this too. But they need you to work full-time in the summer and part-time during fall semester. It seems like a good learning opportunity and it pays $2,500 (which is better than free). I feel like learning from a judge and the networking/letter of recommendation I'm going to get from the externship this summer will be more helpful but I don't know if I should try to do this at the same time somehow or maybe next summer if I can't find a firm job. It was my law school externship.
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Mr. Chupon posted:I hadn't considered the possibility that they might look at the patent attorney as an annoyance. Is this common? There are plenty of egos in R&D but it seems like a lot of those guys liked to talk about and share their work too. I've had at least one experience that I can remember right now where the 'inventor' saw the patent attorney as an annoyance. He was basically a PhD, higher up on the chain at a large internet company. Most 'inventors' are pretty nice to a patent attorney, but you don't exactly have much interaction with them outside of a couple of meetings and some document reviews. The 'inventions' that you work on usually aren't complex, technical, or amazing. I say this as someone who has done work for a lot of the large tech companies. I could probably sit down right now and churn out a couple of ideas with an 'invention' that I can make up in about 5-30 minutes. You're not always dealing with some prolific inventor in some cutting edge R&D department. Seriously, the idea of patents is a lot more interesting than the actual experience of procuring a patent. I'd say that the work is pretty boring, but the work-life balance is fantastic. Unfortunately, patent work really is a grind and I'd say that most patent attorneys end up burning out and go in-house where they don't have to prosecute patents anymore. mongeese fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 27, 2011 |
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Harvard grades are out, I got a percentage of H's more than last year that is indeterminate because it would require me to divide by 0
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Jan 27, 2011 23:24
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My official transcript came in the mail, not free of course, and it's missing one of my grades (which is up online and is an A so I really want it showing!!). What the gently caress, law school.
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Apparently, grades came out today (HLS). I cannot bear to check them. Literally curled up in a ball on my bed, shaking. Advice, lawgoons? I'm thinking wait a week and check while drunk.
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Jove posted:Apparently, grades came out today (HLS). I cannot bear to check them. Literally curled up in a ball on my bed, shaking. Why not get drunk right now and check?
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Jove posted:Apparently, grades came out today (HLS). I cannot bear to check them. Literally curled up in a ball on my bed, shaking. man up and check you're going to harvard jesus.
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Jove posted:Apparently, grades came out today (HLS). I cannot bear to check them. Literally curled up in a ball on my bed, shaking. What I did was keep a bottle of Mayflower IPA on my desk. If I did good I'd chug it to celebrate, if I did bad I'd chug it to dull the pain (seriously check that poo poo)
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Jove posted:Apparently, grades came out today (HLS). I cannot bear to check them. Literally curled up in a ball on my bed, shaking. There are no more LPs. People from the Class of 2011 got market-paying jobs with straight Ps. Man up.
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Hey has anyone here done JAG? What was your experience with it like?
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Neko Sou posted:Do any of you guys have any experience with The Innocence Project? http://www.innocenceproject.org/?gclid=CPTk-cCa26YCFUdrKgodDRdO2A I already have an externship in federal district court this summer but I'd really like to do this too. But they need you to work full-time in the summer and part-time during fall semester. It seems like a good learning opportunity and it pays $2,500 (which is better than free). I feel like learning from a judge and the networking/letter of recommendation I'm going to get from the externship this summer will be more helpful but I don't know if I should try to do this at the same time somehow or maybe next summer if I can't find a firm job. Do you want to work for a firm or anywhere else? If yes, judge. Do you want to save the world or do criminal defense? If yes, either. Do you care more about $2,500 in booze money than a slight gain to future employability? If yes, Innocence Project.
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There's a good documentary about (maybe by?) the Innocence Project called After Innocence. I remember this one scene where the guy was talking about a DA who was trying to make a statute of limitations case, and the judge was like "so your position is that even if everything the defendant says is true, and he's factually innocent, he should stay in prison because of the statute of limitations?" and the DA says "yes, that is my position". Reassuringly the judge was appalled It's on netflix instant watch if you're interested. This has been my vaguely law related post for the month. I'll be back when you're talking about warhammer again
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:My official transcript came in the mail, not free of course, and it's missing one of my grades (which is up online and is an A so I really want it showing!!). What the gently caress, law school. Print out an unofficial one and use that? I think I've used my official transcript pretty much all of once. My firm required us to provide it right before we started working as associates (not for the summer, not to get an offer...) to make sure we graduated and I'm pretty sure a good portion never followed up and sent it.
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ewr2870 posted:There are no more LPs. People from the Class of 2011 got market-paying jobs with straight Ps. Man up. Is this actually true? How does the curve work, now, is it just a certain mandated amount of Ps? I'm considering HLS and this would go a long way toward me sealing the deal.
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e: nvm, that was unnecessarily hostile.
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I'ma open a restaurant what you all think http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3384431
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think Phil that is amazing.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think goddamn dude that is the first time I've ever saved a GWS thread PMing you for more duckery
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think I saw it yesterday about 45 minutes after lunch and started salivating. What can you do with goat? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3384111 We should have shitake by fall.
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Mr. Chupon posted:This is something I totally loved about my job as a support engineer. When something new popped up and it was off to Wikipedia, textbooks and white papers. edit: It's worth mentioning that as either a patent prosecutor or a litigator you will never have time to investigate technology in depth, because clients aren't willing to pay for it. You bring the knowledge you have with you, and you'll gradually learn about fields related to your cases, but becoming an attorney would prevent you from doing any kind of substantive research. Mr. Chupon posted:Do you find most patents that you work on interesting? Or is it a grind to get them issued? Mr. Chupon posted:I hadn't considered the possibility that they might look at the patent attorney as an annoyance. Is this common? There are plenty of egos in R&D but it seems like a lot of those guys liked to talk about and share their work too. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jan 28, 2011 |
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Hahahaha Joat that thread is awesome i meant thread Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jan 28, 2011 |
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Ainsley McTree posted:There's a good documentary about (maybe by?) the Innocence Project called After Innocence. I remember this one scene where the guy was talking about a DA who was trying to make a statute of limitations case, and the judge was like "so your position is that even if everything the defendant says is true, and he's factually innocent, he should stay in prison because of the statute of limitations?" and the DA says "yes, that is my position". I really liked it. We had the poster from the movie (signed by exonorees, IIRC) outside our office. To the person asking about IP, I'm perfectly willing to answer questions and share experiences. It's just never seemed like something the thread was really interested in before.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think
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lmao "joan mon" is actually..the goatman
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Linguica posted:literally more impressed than anything you're mentioned relating to being a lawyer if only getting fat and loving with my camera paid my student loans....
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think Jesus Phil, that's really impressive. And I'm one of those pretentious assholes who are way too into food. (Work on your plating.)
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I'ma open a restaurant what you all think  Looks awesome. Now you just need proper taco form. Re: Innocence Project. We got a call from the CO AG last week about a previous client of his. IP did a lot of the legwork and now the AG is looking into it. This is why you never ever ever purge files for homicides.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:if only getting fat and loving with my camera paid my student loans.... I don't know about the fat part, but loving in front of a camera can help with those student loans.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:lmao "joat mon" is actually..the goatman Not originally, but I guess I am now... P.S. In addition to your cooking, your photography is top notch. The Arsteia posted:Hey has anyone here done JAG? What was your experience with it like?
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HooKars posted:Print out an unofficial one and use that? I think I've used my official transcript pretty much all of once. My firm required us to provide it right before we started working as associates (not for the summer, not to get an offer...) to make sure we graduated and I'm pretty sure a good portion never followed up and sent it. Almost all job applications here require copies of official transcripts, and some want actual transcripts mailed in (usually governments/courts go this far). For my current round of articling apps I just used my old transcript with a printout of current grades and a note that I'll forward the new transcript when it's available, but that's gonna be delayed another week now.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:Is this actually true? How does the curve work, now, is it just a certain mandated amount of Ps? I'm considering HLS and this would go a long way toward me sealing the deal. It's hard to tell because there have been several conflicting pronouncements. But the consensus is that while there's a cap on the % of Hs, LPs are now discretionary and need only be assigned where somebody really hosed up.
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Napoleon I posted:Do you want to work for a firm or anywhere else? If yes, judge.  Judge it is. I wouldn't have given up that opportunity for the The Innocence Project, just trying to see if it was worth having a miserable summer to cram both in. Turns out I can really only do one or the other. I actually really want to do family law so I guess being in court all day is more applicable than reading prisoner files.
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Well guys, this may be a dubious honor of sorts, but an indirect reference to this ongoing megathread has been published in a book. On page 7, as a matter of fact. I had begun browsing this thread years back when publicblast was OP, but sadly I did not appreciate the multiple warnings provided about why people should consider going to law school. This thread in fact may have been responsible for getting me in, as I suspect that an excellently critiqued personal statement (thanks publicblast!) helped me compensate for an abysmal LSAT score. I can honestly say that not knowing why I was going to law school and the experience of law school itself contributed greatly to the multiple emotional breakdowns I experienced during my time there, as well as: - Losing my two best friends from high school - Putting on 70 pounds - Poor, poor job performance - Drinking more alcohol than at any other point in my life - Breaking a couple of laws because I was pissed at the system By the end of it all I was so throughly disillusioned with the system I decided not to take the bar and instead spent the summer learning Arabic. I've come around a little bit and I have decided to take the bar next year, but I have no plans on ever becoming a lawyer. Since leaving law school last May I have lost those 70 pounds (and working on another 40 as I was a fat little gently caress to begin with) and generally feel far better about myself. Realizing that it was possible to escape the world of law was one of the greatest epiphanies I ever had. There were some good things that came out during my time there, of course. I truly bonded with my classmates, who are great people, and whom I can say are my best friends. And through a fairly random series of events, Carolina Academic Press published a book chronicling my three years of surviving that place. The title is "The Jim Report: My Life in Law School" and I am using all of the royalties I make off of it solely to pay off my law school debts, just for the irony of it. Basically I just want to say this: This country really needs good lawyers. If you truly, truly think that law is your calling, then yes consider going to law school. If you are hesitant, then don't go. If that sounds too abrupt for you, then I suggest getting a job as a paralegal. Some who work as a paralegal decide to become lawyers, some don't. Either way I feel like they are making a far more informed decision than some confused kid who is asking his parents for career advice. If you are thinking about law school, READ THE OP. ALL OF IT.
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Hammer of Loki posted:By the end of it all I was so throughly disillusioned with the system I decided not to take the bar and instead spent the summer learning Arabic. I've come around a little bit and I have decided to take the bar next year, but I have no plans on ever becoming a lawyer.  You've come so far and still learned NOTHING. Go, cut the last chain and flee!
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Mr. Chupon posted:Do you find most patents that you work on interesting? Or is it a grind to get them issued? No, but the ones that issue aren't that bad, because either they're distinguished over the prior art that I can find, or I know what they need to do to distinguish from the prior art. The grind are the cases I'm never going to allow that they won't abandon.
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warhammerchat time: am I too old to start playing
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people are called to be a lawyer is the same as being called to be a janitor or taxi driver i hate that term
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:warhammerchat time: are you a grown rear end man
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