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Baruch Obamawitz posted:warhammerchat time: Yes. You're the right age for Warhammer 40k, though.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 08:16 |
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Dallan Invictus posted:You've come so far and still learned NOTHING. Go, cut the last chain and flee! Actually, I agree with you; I'm really not enthused about doing it. But the parents will pay for all of the prep materials, and I won't have anything better to do in between my graduate school semesters, so meh might as well. Four more words I can add to a resume.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 08:19 |
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I'd think twice, many non-legal people are afraid of hiring lawyers because they think they will get sued at the drop of a hat.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 08:41 |
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rsvandy posted:You're not always dealing with some prolific inventor in some cutting edge R&D department. Seriously, the idea of patents is a lot more interesting than the actual experience of procuring a patent. I'd say that the work is pretty boring, but the work-life balance is fantastic. Unfortunately, patent work really is a grind and I'd say that most patent attorneys end up burning out and go in-house where they don't have to prosecute patents anymore. I've always thought that even 40 hours a week is too much to do something miserable. Are you in (or past) the burnout stage? And is the work-life balance good even for an entry level attorney? Baruch Obamawitz posted:No, but the ones that issue aren't that bad, because either they're distinguished over the prior art that I can find, or I know what they need to do to distinguish from the prior art. The grind are the cases I'm never going to allow that they won't abandon. This sounds just like being an engineer at a big tech company. I bet 25% or more of my time was spent working on projects that were cancelled altogether, and this was at a really profitable company. Ersatz posted:If you're interested in what Baruch does you can apply to work as a patent examiner when the next round of recruitment happens. Like Petey says, it's ridiculously cushy. It also pays well and you would gain some perspective into whether or not you really want to lock yourself in to becoming a lawyer. Thanks for the link, this looks quite interesting. Are these really competitive jobs to get? I'd not heard of them before but they seem to all be in DC and I've never lived there. What makes them so cushy? The flexible hours? Seems similar to working for some defense contractor.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 10:55 |
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:warhammerchat time: You can never be too old for the Emperor's service.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 11:43 |
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http://www.abajournal.com/weekly/article/unemployed_editor-in-chief_of_chicago-kent_law_review_blames_book_authorquote:... But it sounds like David Freedman has the imagination and drive to get where he wants to be sooner or later. Sent a free copy of The Curmudgeon's Guide to Practicing Law by author Mark Herrmann, who serves as Aon's chief litigation counsel, Freedman wrote back to complain that the book had gotten him excited about working and thus only making him more upset about his unemployed state, Herrmann recounts in an Above the Law column. Seriously, write angry letter to author, get job.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 14:02 |
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I'm doing Innocence Project during the semester. I'm on an active investigation (a fresh one; we're the first group this guy has had) and it's hella fun and pretty disillusioning in a good way. Also I'm playing D&D because I sold my space marines to buy textbooks and alcohol but I am tempted daily . . .
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 14:16 |
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:warhammerchat time: No, but try out the PC games first (best options are Dawn of War 1/2 and Blood Bowl). The tabletop is largely like the games but takes about a hundred times as long to play and is really not as fun, especially if your friends don't play and you have to deal with people who hang out at Games Workshop (the IRL equivalent of pubbies). If you just want to paint or model or make armies to pretty up your nerdcave, go for it.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 14:34 |
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When I bought Dawn of War I heard something rattling around inside the box so I was all "oh boy, maybe it's a free miniature or something" but it turned out the disc just came loose in the jewel casing and got scratched so I had to return it
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:No, but try out the PC games first (best options are Dawn of War 1/2 and Blood Bowl). The tabletop is largely like the games but takes about a hundred times as long to play and is really not as fun, especially if your friends don't play and you have to deal with people who hang out at Games Workshop (the IRL equivalent of pubbies). i really like dawn of war so there's that but yeah i don't know anyone who plays and i went to the local games workshop once and it smelled like nerd
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:i really like dawn of war so there's that Never bring a woman into the store. Never bring a woman into the store. Anyway just playing the art side of warhams is awesome, and can be done without ever setting foot in the store if you use online dealers. They're cheaper too. I like the Warstore, personally.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 15:19 |
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comedy I could play with my wife
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 15:37 |
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:i really like dawn of war so there's that Baruch in all seriousness, I would play with you if I could ever bring myself to spend money and buy an army. I have friends who play and it looks like an awesome experience. Also, I'm terrible with paint so that's a big barrier to entry for me. I am also terrible at strategy games.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 17:21 |
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Ainsley McTree posted:There's a good documentary about (maybe by?) the Innocence Project called After Innocence. I remember this one scene where the guy was talking about a DA who was trying to make a statute of limitations case, and the judge was like "so your position is that even if everything the defendant says is true, and he's factually innocent, he should stay in prison because of the statute of limitations?" and the DA says "yes, that is my position". I show this documentary in my criminal law class, and my students always find it interesting. So I'll second Ainsley's recommendation to watch it.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 17:30 |
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Mr. Chupon posted:And is the work-life balance good even for an entry level attorney? bleeheehee quote:
After a certain number of years you get to work from home while still getting a six figure salary and great benefits. Many people start up their own businesses on the side doing it. If you have an engineering background, and you want to be involved with patents, become a patent examiner, you don't need a law degree.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 18:13 |
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entris posted:Baruch in all seriousness, I would play with you if I could ever bring myself to spend money and buy an army. I have friends who play and it looks like an awesome experience. gently caress you spend money and let's play
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 20:04 |
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Petey posted:
I've been an examiner for three years and last year I made $120k. I'm contemplating starting a mobile phone app company in my free time.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 20:05 |
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Today I had to go through a V's DVD collection to assess how much of what he claimed was there for the purposes of restitution. It was all hentai. Needless to say I washed my hands immediately afterwards.
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# ? Jan 28, 2011 20:21 |
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I've been an examiner for three years and last year I made $120k. and yet you don't have time to respond back to the draft of our paper i hate you
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 00:02 |
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The Arsteia posted:Hey has anyone here done JAG? What was your experience with it like? My only experience with JAG so far has been being rejected for their 2L summer internship program. Now, I had expected this to happen, because I'm already an officer with an educational delay, and the internships are generally used to get civilians interested in JAG. Nor do I think that already being in the military entitles me to an internship. But when I saw their list of selectees and saw that there that TWO of the fifty or so were from TOURO COLLEGE SCHOOL OF LAW, my mind began alternating between anger, despair, and nausea. I go to a top-40 school, so even people from the top 100 get selected over me for this program would be fine with me. But Touro is too much. I could have gone active duty, and had a nice, well paying, fulfilling job. Sure, I would have to deploy, but that never deterred me. Historically, ed-delays like myself were all but asssured to get selected for active duty JAG. Last year they only took twelve of the twenty four our so graduating ed-delays. Now I'm facing the prospect of not getting active duty JAG, something for which I have been training for over five years, and trying to find a civilian job (yipee). Or maybe I will have to do something for the active duty Army that is completely unrelated to law and not get the loan repayment that I was counting on. Or maybe I will be an unemployed Army reservist. So yea, if you want to go JAG get the highest grades you can and "wow" your interviewer. But it is still a lot of chance. They take people with really good grades from the T14, and people with bad grades. Chewbacca Defense fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jan 29, 2011 |
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Never bring a woman into the store. Anytime I bring my wife into a Gamestop/board game store she starts doing that "NEEEEERRRRRDS" thing that Ogre does in Revenge of the Nerds, just loudly enough for the nearest person to hear and feel ashamed.
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 04:20 |
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That would be you, right?
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 04:49 |
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How long does the patent bar take to study for anyway - on par with a state bar or worse? I might be able to wring some use out of this degree yet.
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Flashdance posted:How long does the patent bar take to study for anyway - on par with a state bar or worse? I might be able to wring some use out of this degree yet. In terms of difficulty the patent bar is more like the MPRE than a state bar. I spent around 40 hours studying for it and I think that was probably more than was necessary. Take some practice exams and learn to search the MPEP and you'll be good.
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Flashdance posted:How long does the patent bar take to study for anyway - on par with a state bar or worse? I might be able to wring some use out of this degree yet. Elotana posted:Here's how you pass the patent bar y'all (Linguica put this in the OP):
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 05:54 |
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So what is the proper title when you adress a US lawyer ? In France people call lawyers "Maître", literally "Master". It's a little odd at first but you quite get used to it
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Macnigore posted:So what is the proper title when you adress a US lawyer ? Technically, you could argue that it could be Dr. (Juris Doctorate), bt you'd be a douchebag. Similarly, Mr. X, esq. is proper (and somewhat common), but that also makes you look like a douche bag.
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 10:48 |
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Macnigore posted:So what is the proper title when you adress a US lawyer ? There really isn't one. In court, the judge may refer to one as "counselor X", but otherwise, it's really just "Mr./Ms. Whoever". I haven't been reading the thread/above the law/any other legal news since early last fall; is it safe to assume that the legal employment market for newly-minted grads is still pants-shittingly bad in all respects, including government?
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Thanks guys, that sounds a lot less intensive than I had thought. I was skeptical I'd be able to do it during school but it sounds maybe feasible now.
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A Fistful of Dicks posted:I haven't been reading the thread/above the law/any other legal news since early last fall; is it safe to assume that the legal employment market for newly-minted grads is still pants-shittingly bad in all respects, including government? Yes for the rank and file. T14 seems to be recovering a little.
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 12:48 |
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Old people call me "Attorney" a lot and it's weird to be like "Hey just call me Matt".
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 15:01 |
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Using Mr. and Esq. at the same time is a serious faux pas.
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Petey posted:and yet you don't have time to respond back to the draft of our paper it's almost like warhammer requires less attention than reading our dumb paper
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Solomon Grundy posted:Yes for the rank and file. T14 seems to be recovering a little. Totally just a data point but it seems things are remarkably better at Columbia, but still not close to as good as it used to be.
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 16:31 |
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Petey posted:and yet you don't have time to respond back to the draft of our paper In all seriousness, I've been working ten hour days all week and have been kinda burnt out from thinking. I'm going to get to the paper tomorrow. entris posted:Baruch in all seriousness, I would play with you if I could ever bring myself to spend money and buy an army. I have friends who play and it looks like an awesome experience. Jesus christ, spend $90 and let's do this thing
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:In all seriousness, I've been working ten hour days all week and have been kinda burnt out from thinking. I'm going to get to the paper tomorrow.
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Napoleon I posted:Using Mr. and Esq. at the same time is a serious faux pas. Does anyone ever use "esquire" out loud (unironically)? I don't think I've ever heard it.
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# ? Jan 29, 2011 19:07 |
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pretty much just bill and ted
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Ainsley McTree posted:Does anyone ever use "esquire" out loud (unironically)? I don't think I've ever heard it. Not that I know of. I only use it when addressing other attorneys in print. And yes, using both mister and esquire is very belt-and-suspenders.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:In all seriousness, I've been working ten hour days all week and have been kinda burnt out from thinking.
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