psydude posted:Is the TSA a good way to get your foot in the door for other federal investigation agencies? TSA screeners are not part of the law enforcement retirement system, and will not "stop the clock" as far as the age limit for federal law enforcement positions go. TSA air marshals are, of course, law enforcement.
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Being color blind really sucks, no chance at law enforcement 
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psydude posted:Is the TSA a good way to get your foot in the door for other federal investigation agencies? The vast majority of jobs in TSA, including the majority of Air Marshal positions, are protective in nature, not investigative. Not that it would be bad experience, but it wouldn't be the most relevant thing you could do if that's your objective.
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Tyro posted:The vast majority of jobs in TSA, including the majority of Air Marshal positions, are protective in nature, not investigative. Not that it would be bad experience, but it wouldn't be the most relevant thing you could do if that's your objective. There are a bunch of Security Inspector positions up right now, but when I tried to apply for one (logged in to the TSA hiring site) it said I was ineligible for some reason. I wonder if it's because I didn't go forward with the x-ray dude position? Ganon posted:Being color blind really sucks, no chance at law enforcement How bad is yours? I am a little, but it only affects me if I'm trying to distinguish between black and navy blue in sub-optimum light, or sometimes those little circle tests.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:There are a bunch of Security Inspector positions up right now, but when I tried to apply for one (logged in to the TSA hiring site) it said I was ineligible for some reason. I wonder if it's because I didn't go forward with the x-ray dude position? I just applied to a few of those with the idea that I could work for, at present, the most scorned federal agency for a few years before finishing my master's and transferring out.
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DHS email, a few minute ago posted:Acquisition Professional Career Program Recruiting Currently On Hold Wonder what this means for the rest of my FCIP applications, like Border Patrol. Oh well no jobs, die alone.
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I got the same email. It was a lot more sympathetic than the one the DA sent me. e: Looks like the current timeline for implementation is one year. The article I linked also points out that "The Pathways Programs won’t be in place until regulations to implement them go through a public comment period and are finalized, according to OPM." Apparently lawsuits are already being filed by another group of pissed off vets, so expect it to be delayed even further. The moral of the story is: a year from now a lot of people will probably be getting invited to interviews for jobs they forget they applied to. psydude fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 31, 2011 |
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fivetwo posted:The U.S. Marshals Service is apparently hiring in June. To be clear, you mean they don't get LEAP pay, right? Whereas at the the other organizations you do? Or do you mean they offer lower pay grades than DoJ generally?
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Interesting DSS post. DSS agents are very strange, in that out of almost all law enforcement I've come across, they have at times the closest job to straight military infantry (which I did in the army), and at times one of the more paperwork heavy investigatory positions. It's a very strange mix.
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psydude posted:I got the same email. It was a lot more sympathetic than the one the DA sent me. Ahahaha, I graduated in December of 2009, won't be eligible for Pathways. 
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psydude posted:Better get your rear end to grad school, then. Ugh, no. Want to go back eventually, but not at this point in my life. Have almost a semester of grad credits under my belt from being an overachieving undergrad, have an idea of what I'd be getting in to. I did apply for the DIA grad program last year since they pay for it/give you a salary, but they turned me down because I lacked experience, even though the program is billed as job training for entry level intelligence professionals  edit: Special Investigator posting with the Secret Service/Homeland Security went live today. Applied. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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the DIA grad program is used to recruit a wide mix of skillsets. Normally they pick up 10 people and amongst them there will be someone with a hard science background, a few heritage/native language speakers, maybe an economist, maybe a trained social scientist, etc. etc. Applying with a vanilla liberal arts degree generally is not going to work.
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Happydayz posted:the DIA grad program is used to recruit a wide mix of skillsets. Normally they pick up 10 people and amongst them there will be someone with a hard science background, a few heritage/native language speakers, maybe an economist, maybe a trained social scientist, etc. etc. Applying with a vanilla liberal arts degree generally is not going to work. Had two bachelor's degrees (Psychology and International Studies), able to read a non-Western language at the university level, a security clearance, and 3 years living overseas by the time I graduated. :-\ Do you mean they don't generally take people without graduate degrees/lots of work experience already? From the program material, they made it sound like it was something new grads should apply for.
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SWATJester posted:Interesting DSS post. DSS agents are very strange, in that out of almost all law enforcement I've come across, they have at times the closest job to straight military infantry (which I did in the army), and at times one of the more paperwork heavy investigatory positions. It's a very strange mix. Yeah, DSS guys operate like the Military but with the Bureaucracy of the Fed. It IS st range, even volatile at times (especially with contractors). Edit: Special Investigator posting with the Secret Service/Homeland Security went live today. <--- what kind of S.I. From talking with USSS recruiters for those spots you need experience out the rear end or they already have someone in mind.
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Skandiaavity posted:Yeah, DSS guys operate like the Military but with the Bureaucracy of the Fed. It IS st range, even volatile at times (especially with contractors). Sorry, running on low sleep lately: it was Criminal Investigator (Special Agent). It's a GS7/9 position, it looks like if you meet the minimum qualifications they'll schedule you for the TEA in May. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Had two bachelor's degrees (Psychology and International Studies), able to read a non-Western language at the university level, a security clearance, and 3 years living overseas by the time I graduated. :-\ Do you mean they don't generally take people without graduate degrees/lots of work experience already? From the program material, they made it sound like it was something new grads should apply for. it is generally a new grad program. Your language skills might have been worthwhile, but you also have to factor that it is a competitive program. There are only ten slots and before the recession DIA would get 300+ apps for them. Nowadays I wouldn't be surprised if there were 500 or more applicants for every billet.
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Huh, I don't know if it's a new thing, but last time I was at SFO all the TSA inspectors were private contractors. They were TSA style uniforms, almost identical, but if you look very closely their badges have the TSA replaced with their company name. There were a handful of actual TSA walking around, but most of the legitimate TSA agents I actually saw there looked like law-enforcement, not screeners. The contractors were equally incompetent, just saying.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Sorry, running on low sleep lately: it was Criminal Investigator (Special Agent). It's a GS7/9 position, it looks like if you meet the minimum qualifications they'll schedule you for the TEA in May.
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Xandu posted:Argh! Do you have a checklist of common errors for the SF-86? I was fortunate enough that they sent that along with me and I only had to resend it 6 times!
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Gravel Gravy posted:Do you have a checklist of common errors for the SF-86? I was fortunate enough that they sent that along with me and I only had to resend it 6 times! Um...share? I didn't get one and I'm afraid I may make errors.
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Xandu fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 10, 2011 |
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Tyro posted:Um...share? I didn't get one and I'm afraid I may make errors. Sorry nevermind, misremembered. Wasn't a list of common errors, just sort of a checklist, so not much help. One useful tip they give is not to leave a thing blank. If you come to a question that doesn't apply to you, put N/A, and never leave a timeline gap. If you were unemployed for a month, include that, if you studied overseas, include the address, etc.
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Zoo posted:To be clear, you mean they don't get LEAP pay, right? Whereas at the the other organizations you do? They get LEAP like everyone else, but their highest pay grade (12) is less than the highest for the other agencies (13). Let's use Phoenix, AZ as an example. A Deputy U.S. Marshal at journeyman level (which takes 4 to 5 years to reach) makes 88k. A FBI/DEA/ATF/Secret Service agent, etc, at journeyman level (again, taking 4 to 5 years to reach) makes about 104k. A large difference. fivetwo fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Feb 4, 2011 |
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Information Technology Specialist, GS-2210 here. I work for DoD->AMC->TACOM at an army depot. I work in the business area of the IT department, and most of my job is to maintain ~40 IT contracts (I'm a COR/COTR). Whenever PCs/servers/printers/copiers/etc. break on the depot, if our field support can't get it fixed, it's my job to get it fixed through an outside vendor. Most of my job is actually spent renewing the contracts that I have to maintain. There's a shitton of paperwork involved in getting even tiny contracts awarded (anything over 3k). I got my job through a co-op program at my local college. If you live anywhere near a DoD site and are a college student I'd encourage you to look into it, as getting into government this early in life means I'm guaranteed to retire the day I turn 55. If anyone has any questions I'll be happy to answer them!
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fivetwo posted:They get LEAP like everyone else, but their highest pay grade (12) is less than the highest for the other agencies (13). Oh, OK, I had no idea about the highest pay grade thing. That's ridiculous, yeah (IMO), even with LEAP. Oh well. I do see a lot of Marshal jobs on USAJobs right now, too, but I'm a higher pay grade than a -12; and no LEA or Justice experience anyhow, just like to gently caress around with the idea of trying to cross over. DEA has low-balled the friends I've known to try to cross over (we're in DoD as GGs/GG equivalents). One was offered a job, but he's a -13 in DoD and they offered him something like an -11... and it required moving to Des Moines. I don't think that was an 1811 though.
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Rabbi posted:Information Technology Specialist, GS-2210 here. I work for DoD->AMC->TACOM at an army depot. I work in the business area of the IT department, and most of my job is to maintain ~40 IT contracts (I'm a COR/COTR). Whenever PCs/servers/printers/copiers/etc. break on the depot, if our field support can't get it fixed, it's my job to get it fixed through an outside vendor. Most of my job is actually spent renewing the contracts that I have to maintain. There's a shitton of paperwork involved in getting even tiny contracts awarded (anything over 3k). That sounds like the most boring job in the entire government. I would still lick a homeless mans taint to have it.
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For anyone interested the IRS just posted jobs nationwide for revenue agents starting in June.red19fire posted:Question for IRS Goons: They take external hires for entry level revenue officer positions. You're probably finding promotion announcements which have the same name/job series but higher pay. I think all Government jobs give some preference to veterans. If you want to get in CI and they are not hiring, try to get any job you can within the IRS. That should give you some preference when they do hire and allow you to network with CI folk.
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Zoo posted:Oh, OK, I had no idea about the highest pay grade thing. That's ridiculous, yeah (IMO), even with LEAP. Oh well. I do see a lot of Marshal jobs on USAJobs right now, too, but I'm a higher pay grade than a -12; and no LEA or Justice experience anyhow, just like to gently caress around with the idea of trying to cross over. DEA has low-balled the friends I've known to try to cross over (we're in DoD as GGs/GG equivalents). One was offered a job, but he's a -13 in DoD and they offered him something like an -11... and it required moving to Des Moines. I don't think that was an 1811 though. Don't get me wrong, Marshals can move up to GS-13, but they have to promote, whereas FBI/DEA/SS/ATF get it as the automatic progression for all agents. Marshals Service deputies assigned to the witness protection program or judicial protection division are journeyman 13, however. Anyways, the 1811 is the greatest job in the world due to the high pay (be it 88k or 104k), M-F work week (generally), government car, law enforcement retirement, etc. etc.
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fivetwo posted:Anyways, the 1811 is the greatest job in the world due to the high pay (be it 88k or 104k), M-F work week (generally), government car, law enforcement retirement, etc. etc. I'm going to guess that you are not an 1811 because you failed to mention: A - There are non-1811 job series out there with 25% AUO, LEO Retirement (FERS 12D) and, unlike with 1811's, no pay cap due to no FLSA exemption. B - 9-5 work week is the exception rather than the rule unless you're working something like IG/contract/procurement fraud. C - While the big agencies typically do give you a vehicle, many agencies only provide GOV's if you are a supervisor or some sort of duty response or have pool cars available. D - Yes, Federal FERS LEO retirement is earlier and higher than a non-LEO Fed employee, but it's at a much lower pension percentage than the old skool CSRS. Google New Jersey State Police's retirement pension. 65% after 25 years, maxing out at 70%. With FERS, it's more like low 40's. My point being that, as with any job, compare apples to apples when looking at one's perks, benefits, quality of life and retirement. Edit: Actually, you could be a 1811, but then I'd guess you're <1 year from your SCD and haven't seen the man behind the curtain or how the sausage is made at your agency. Evil SpongeBob fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Feb 5, 2011 |
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fivetwo posted:Don't get me wrong, Marshals can move up to GS-13, but they have to promote, whereas FBI/DEA/SS/ATF get it as the automatic progression for all agents. I thought the whole point of LEAP was that it was predicated on a 50-hour work week, hence the flat 25% bonus on payout for your pay grade?
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My university had some sort of a contract job program with the FBI when I was an undergrad and I briefly worked for them as a student. I couldn't make rent with the wage/hours or else I'd have kept the job, but it was good on the ole resume. Anyway, now that I'm graduated, a friend of mine who still works there told me they're hiring for weekend/night shift managers (bachelor's required, which is why I couldn't work it as a student). I'm putting in an app and praying. It starts at 43k, which for where I am is very livable, plus benefits. Looks great on a resume, I'd get a Secret clearance (I had one when I was a student, but that was almost two years ago so I'm assuming it's lapsed by now) and all that good stuff. The only thing that's giving me pause is the hours; being a weekend/night shift manager, I'd basically be on for 40 hours one weekend during the day (6am - 7pm, Friday - Sunday), be off for a week, then start an 80 hour work week (7pm to 6am, Friday - Friday), be off another week and then rinse and repeat. I mean, I'm definitely applying and hoping I get it; in this economy and job climate, I can't afford to throw away anything that might pad the resume and give me a decent salary to boot (I'm currently working two jobs, one waiting tables and another in retail, to pay the bills). I've just never worked night shift before and I'm also starting grad school in the fall. :/ Here's to hoping.
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Evil SpongeBob posted:C - While the big agencies typically do give you a vehicle, many agencies only provide GOV's if you are a supervisor or some sort of duty response or have pool cars available. Don't forget C(1) - Having a GOV is not nearly as convenient as it sounds. If you want to take a class, go out to dinner, or stop by the store or gym on your way home you typically have to go all the way home first, then go back out in your POV. Granted much about what is acceptable will depend on agency or even office policy, but the punishment for misuse is set in the CFR: a minimum 30 day suspension.
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prussian advisor posted:I thought the whole point of LEAP was that it was predicated on a 50-hour work week, hence the flat 25% bonus on payout for your pay grade? Correct, but you don't always work 50 hours a week. It's based on availability. If something happens and you're around, you're not claiming it as overtime. LEAP is unscheduled overtime. If you want to be an expert on LEAP, sit down with an Air Marshal.
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Evil SpongeBob posted:I'm going to guess that you are not an 1811 because you failed to mention: Also this is probably one of the bests posts I've seen regarding Federal Law Enforcement and the variety of what you can find. The old myth is that 1811 gigs are the best in the business, and while yes it has perks and you do cool stuff and yada yada, there's other places where you can be just as happy, possibly doing less and getting paid just as much. One thing I would point out re: A is that agencies do indeed have a pay cap even with their FLSA/AUO tacked on, but they normally get waivers through their agency. So they get waivered and make beaucoup bucks, OR they don't get waivered, work overtime for the first 6-8 months of the year, and then for the last season or so for the year just do their minimum hours and bounce out every day.
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ZeroAX posted:For anyone interested the IRS just posted jobs nationwide for revenue agents starting in June. Nice, thanks for the tip. The window to apply ends Feb 14 and I probably wouldn't have checked before then so I would have missed the chance.
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fivetwo posted:Don't get me wrong, Marshals can move up to GS-13, but they have to promote, whereas FBI/DEA/SS/ATF get it as the automatic progression for all agents. ah, makes much more sense now. That's what you mean by journeyman. And yeah, 1811 would be awesome, although it looks like a couple people (and an 1811) chimed in to reveal that it isn't all that.
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