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MrBling posted:Fess up, which one of yous did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Alvarez ? Does someone actually love Brent or is the whole thing fake?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:They de-push everybody who is coming up now at least once, so it's definitely some sort of policy even if it isn't a response to Brock (and maybe even Lashley). What's really funny is they were in the beginning stages of doing it to lashley (Putting him in a TATANKA feud!) until he got shipped over to the ECW brand.
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By most peoples definition of the "de-push and humble", it happened to Bret in 1995 when he had to feud with Issac Yankem, Haukushi, Lawler and JP Lafette.
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Lone Rogue posted:By most peoples definition of the "de-push and humble", it happened to Bret in 1995 when he had to feud with Issac Yankem, Haukushi, Lawler and JP Lafette. That wasn't so much de-pushing Bret as it was they really didn't have anything for him to do since they had Diesel as the top babyface at the time. The fact that he took 6 months off instead of getting caught in more bad midcard acts in 96 when HBK was the top face kinda supports this. I wonder how different things would have been had he turned heel in 95.
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:That wasn't so much de-pushing Bret as it was they really didn't have anything for him to do since they had Diesel as the top babyface at the time. The fact that he took 6 months off instead of getting caught in more bad midcard acts in 96 when HBK was the top face kinda supports this. I wonder how different things would have been had he turned heel in 95. It wasn't Bret who needed to turn heel, it was Lex Luger. Rumble '94 ended with Bret and Lex both winning as the 1A and 1B babyfaces of the company. At Wrestlemania X, Lex fell short and Bret became the hero of the company. There was a lack of WWF heels at the time so they had to continue the Bret/Owen program as a main event program when Owen was little more than a midcard heel. Turning Lex Luger and running Lex vs. Bret, maybe with Lex now the ace of the Million Dollar Corperation was sitting right in front of them. Instead, Lex stays a babyface, works with Tatanka for a bit, starts a "Don't know what the gently caress to do with these guys" tag team with British Bulldog then bolts to WCW. Lex would have been a perfect foil for Bret Hart in 1994 and could have been a credible heel WWF World Champion. Not only that, but he would have been the perfect guy for a Royal Rumble *winning* Diesel to face at Wrestlemania XI. For those who say this program would have sucked, Bret Hart and Lex Luger had a drat good match, albeit forgotten now, on an episode of WCW Thunder for the US Title.
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Feb 1, 2011 01:58
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Lone Rogue posted:For those who say this program would have sucked, Bret Hart and Lex Luger had a drat good match, albeit forgotten now, on an episode of WCW Thunder for the US Title. In 1994, I don't know many people Bret COULDN'T get a decent to great match out of, so I don't think there's any question the matches would have at least been alright. The problem is actually building and executing the feud itself. That's pretty questionable when Luger is on one side of the mic and Bret Hart is the guy who has to pick up his slack.
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Feb 1, 2011 02:20
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Lone Rogue posted:It wasn't Bret who needed to turn heel, it was Lex Luger. Luger had only turned face in the summer of '93. I'm generally not a fan of turning a guy so quickly like that.
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As a stupid foreigner who just noticed a channel started running WWE RAW wrestling or something like that, I just have to ask... I did know wrestling was a weird "sport", but is all of it like the aforementioned series/tournament/whatever? I mean it's like a horrible soap opera coupled with the most stupid form of choreographed "fighting" I have ever seen (only seen one episode but drat it was horrible.) A friend of mine and myself who saw that one episode can't figure out one thing though, how much of it is choreographed and does the people watching know? What is the point of it? I mean it makes no sense to me whatsoever. I could probably find something if I looked hard enough I but found this thread, and 
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Feb 1, 2011 02:38
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KillerKatten posted:As a stupid foreigner who just noticed a channel started running WWE RAW wrestling or something like that, I just have to ask... Most of the matches is made up on the fly, and the degree to which they're planned changes match to match, wrestler to wrestler. Wrestling exists in this weird bubble, for probably the last 15 years, where it's trying to work out what to be, between pure 'sport' (pretending it's real, crowd acts like it's real, cheer for things) and theatre (admits it's fake, crowd admits it knows it's fake, what the gently caress happens to cheering).
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Feb 1, 2011 02:48
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KillerKatten posted:As a stupid foreigner who just noticed a channel started running WWE RAW wrestling or something like that, I just have to ask... The outcomes and the big happenings during each match are planned out, however the rest of the time it's usually improvisation. The opponents will talk to each other during the matches, letting them know what is coming. The refs also act as a timekeeper, telling when to finish up the match. It's not all going to be like the Royal Rumble, but there will always be storylines like the ones above.
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Feb 1, 2011 02:50
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KillerKatten posted:As a stupid foreigner who just noticed a channel started running WWE RAW wrestling or something like that, I just have to ask... That it's scripted is well known by just about everyone except kids. For a while wrestlers had to keep mum about it in public, but now they only have to keep up the act on the shows themselves. It's basically a silly action movie with deliberately over-the-top dramatic story stuff thrown in. So kinda like a soap I guess. Matches usually aren't planned blow-by-blow (though they can be), but they know in advance who has to win and how and when. Every wrestler knows how to do certain set-ups and how to react to the opponent's moves to make it look like they got hurt worse than they did. It's not entirely stage-fighting- they take a few bumps and bruises, and it can really wear down a body in the long term (hence problems with abuse of painkillers.) I'd say it's closest to movie stunt work, in that you can really get hosed up if something goes wrong, so you have to know what you're doing.
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Thanks for the quick replies! Just one more fast one: How big is it compared to other sports of the same nature; boxing, MMA etc? Oh, and another one: I do get the feeling it is most popular in the south, is this correct?
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Feb 1, 2011 02:55
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KillerKatten posted:Thanks for the quick replies! Less popular than MMA, I think more than boxing nowadays. Also, the South isn't as big a wrestling area as it used to be. The East Coast is a very big wrestling area nowadays since that's where all the 'big' independant promotions start (ROH, ECW, etc)
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Feb 1, 2011 02:57
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KillerKatten posted:Thanks for the quick replies! Not very. Had a big run in the late 90s, when the two major companies- WWE and WCW (now defunct) both had shows on Monday prime time and the competition really pushed them forward- but since then WWE's lost most of the guys who were big stars then and only have a few guys who are known outside the fandom. MMA's cut into their market share too. It probably doesn't help that their only competition is, well, not much of one. (The less you know about TNA the better.) quote:Oh, and another one: I do get the feeling it is most popular in the south, is this correct? I'm sure that was true before but I'm not sure how much it is now. WWE itself is based in New York (EDIT: Connecticut, I am dumb) but they go all around the country, and there a lot of regional promotions now gaining exposure via the internet, from places like Portland in the Northwest and Los Angeles, California. Maxwell Lord fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Feb 1, 2011 |
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Feb 1, 2011 02:59
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KillerKatten posted:Thanks for the quick replies! MMA is the 'hot' sport right now. It's doing outragesly well on PPV every month. It's what wrestling was during the late 1990's. Boxing, well, it's dead basically. Every year you might have a Pacqiuo fight, which draws big, but other than that it's gone. So in-between those two. Nope, not true. Wrestling has always been popular in several places. WWE is a northeastern-based company, so it has had more popularity there in the past than other companies.
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KillerKatten posted:As a stupid foreigner who just noticed a channel started running WWE RAW wrestling or something like that, I just have to ask... I'm curious as to what country you're from if you've never seen pro wrestling before.
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KillerKatten posted:Thanks for the quick replies! MMA is massively bigger than wrestling right now and into the foreseeable future, as much as wrestling fans hate to admit that. MMA is pretty much hijacking the wrestling audience and the one really respected newsman in wrestling spends at least as much time covering MMA. Boxing has been on a downward slide for years due to many issues. It's difficult to describe it as something that is particular to a region these days, setting aside your thinly veiled disdain for it and its audience. The days of it being a regional phenomenon are long over. Minnesota actually produced many of the last few decades' most celebrated wrestlers.
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Feb 1, 2011 03:04
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Maxwell Lord posted:Not very. Had a big run in the late 90s, when the two major companies- WWE and WCW (now defunct) both had shows on Monday prime time and the competition really pushed them forward- but since then WWE's lost most of the guys who were big stars then and only have a few guys who are known outside the fandom. MMA's cut into their market share too. It probably doesn't help that their only competition is, well, not much of one. (The less you know about TNA the better.) I don't think you could say it's "not very big" compared to boxing and MMA. While boxing and MMA can do better PPV numbers, in boxing it has to be a fairly huge fight, and big boxing PPVs only happen a couple of times per year. UFC has them beat on PPV, and has much more mainstream success right now, but it has to be noted that RAW is still consistently one of the highest if not THE highest rated show on cable television each week. Business is down from the huge heights of the 90s, but it still has a huge audience. But it's also not a "sport" like MMA or boxing. Like has been said, everyone is aware it's a staged drama, not a competitive contest. Also, WWE is based in Connecticut, not New York. I'm not sure if this whole series is a troll or what, but if you're wondering about wrestling demographics, they trend more towards the Democratic Party in the US than the GOP.
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Lone Goat posted:I'm curious as to what country you're from if you've never seen pro wrestling before. I'm from Norway. There was something on in the 90's sometime, I think, but I was pretty much a kid in the 90's and didn't care much about wrestling I guess. (Or possible weren't allowed to be awake when it aired)
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El Duke posted:I don't think you could say it's "not very big" compared to boxing and MMA. While boxing and MMA can do better PPV numbers, in boxing it has to be a fairly huge fight, and big boxing PPVs only happen a couple of times per year. UFC has them beat on PPV, and has much more mainstream success right now, but it has to be noted that RAW is still consistently one of the highest if not THE highest rated show on cable television each week. Business is down from the huge heights of the 90s, but it still has a huge audience. True. I didn't actually know how badly boxing was doing until this question. To quote Niles Crane, I didn't even know it was boxing season.
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KillerKatten posted:I'm from Norway. http://www.wrestling.no/
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RAW hasn't been the top show on cable in a long time, and it doesn't make the top 5 most weeks, although it's usually in the top 20 somewhere towards the middle or bottom. In addition to football it also regularly gets beat by stuff like Jersey Shore, Pawn Stars, and random Disney shows now.
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jeffersonlives posted:RAW hasn't been the top show on cable in a long time, and it doesn't make the top 5 most weeks, although it's usually in the top 20 somewhere towards the middle or bottom. In addition to football it also regularly gets beat by stuff like Jersey Shore, Pawn Stars, and random Disney shows now. You're right, it hasn't been number one in a while, I didn't realize how long, but most weeks it is in the top 10 or right under, not the bottom of the 20, as long as it's not a weird week like BCS bowl week or something.
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Maxwell Lord posted:and there a lot of regional promotions now gaining exposure via the internet, from places like Portland in the Northwest Tell me more.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:http://www.wrestling.no/ Please go and watch / videotape this, so that you can tell us if it's anywhere near as magical as we all imagined it to be.
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The A-Team Van posted:Tell me more. Hmm, I may have been wrong on that one, Internet says PNW collapsed a while back.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Hmm, I may have been wrong on that one, Internet says PNW collapsed a while back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Wrestling#The_.22New.22_Portland_Wrestling That has some confusing poo poo, but there is literally nothing of note here. I found something that has a Myspace page that is "friends only." I posted some videos from them in the video thread, and they are utterly horrible. I wish we had something here.
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How did JBL's big push happen? I'm pretty sure no one would have ever predicted Bradshaw main eventing singles matches in 1999/2000.
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Sue Denim posted:How did JBL's big push happen? smackdown ran out of heels and was in damage control mode from losing Lesnar. It was only supposed to be a short feud with Guerrero, but Eddie lost confidence in himself when ratings and buyrates weren't doing too well and asked to drop the belt. There really wasn't anyone else for the belt to go to (Taker was only working part time then) so JBL got his big break.
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The A-Team Van posted:Tell me more. http://www.tulalipchampionshipwrestling.com/sep7.html
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:smackdown ran out of heels and was in damage control mode from losing Lesnar. It was only supposed to be a short feud with Guerrero, but Eddie lost confidence in himself when ratings and buyrates weren't doing too well and asked to drop the belt. There really wasn't anyone else for the belt to go to (Taker was only working part time then) so JBL got his big break. Also his tag team partner retired at the same time and he had a gimmick change after doing really well with stocks in real life, even releasing a book about it. He also got a bit of attention for goosestepping at a house show in Germany. Kurt Angle, Big Show, Booker T, RVD, and Rey Mysterious were also on the Smackdown roster at that point btw, so they weren't really that desperate. JBL was excellent on the mic and decent in the ring (kinda like an old fat Miz) and a venerable lockerroom leader/bully.
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:smackdown ran out of heels and was in damage control mode from losing Lesnar. It was only supposed to be a short feud with Guerrero, but Eddie lost confidence in himself when ratings and buyrates weren't doing too well and asked to drop the belt. There really wasn't anyone else for the belt to go to (Taker was only working part time then) so JBL got his big break. How did the transition from Bradshaw of the APA to JBL happen? How long had the JBL character been around before he got a title shot? I totally missed the JBL run, my interest in wrestling came back right after he lost to Mysterio at Mania, it would be great if anyone could recommend some matches from the JBL period, because from what I've seen he was fantastic.
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jbl's best period was when he was color commentator on smackdown
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Sue Denim posted:This sounds familiar, I must have all ready asked this question in this thread, oops. Thanks anyway. JBL lost the title to Cena. Rey won the next year from Angle (by pinning Orton). One week he refused to stand up to Paul Heyman with Faarooq, the next week he interfered in the main event, then he was JBL the week after that and started kissing babies and defending the border from Mexicans. His first PPV match as JBL was a a wwe title match, whch he won via DQ. He won the title on the next ppv.
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Web Jew.0 posted:JBL lost the title to Cena. Rey won the next year from Angle (by pinning Orton). Heyman punished The APA by making them have a match and the loser was fired. A few days later Ron Simmons was fired for real. He cut a promo somewhere during all this stating how he was all American. I seem to remember him slowly added more texas back into his ring attire before dropping tights altogether and wearing trunks.
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Web Jew.0 posted:JBL lost the title to Cena. Rey won the next year from Angle (by pinning Orton). Don't forget defending the world from the horrors of Godzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI8hWJ1zbxs
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Gonna need to ask about this:Critical posted:The Muta Scale - A scale to measure how much blood is in a match. Named after a match in japan where the Great Muta bladed too deep and proceeded to bleed profusely all over his opponent. Rates 0.1-1.0, with 1.0 being the worst. There have been worse incidents, such as ... when Undertaker did the same and accidentally bled into Brock Lesnar's open mouth. Yummy.
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Atticus Finch posted:Gonna need to ask about this: No Mercy 2002, Hell in a Cell?
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Atticus Finch posted:Gonna need to ask about this: Was that the time Brock smeared blood across his chest on purpose or is that another crazy blood incident? I vaguely remember him doing that at some point unless I'm imagining it.
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