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Magni posted:Eh, Battletech has always been shades of gray. Oh boy, not in Stackpole novels it's not. You have people like Melissa Steiner actively bagging on wherever they're from to praise House Davion and its glories while completely ignoring any flaws they might have. e: New page. here is a picture. It is called a "ProtoMech" and not only do they all look dumb, but they're also lovely. I picked one that, like the Banshee, has a nipple gun. 
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Why is this even a question? Voting F! ARRIBA!
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Feb 2, 2011 23:18
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Voting for the Death Commandos. Though I doubt it's going to win out against Space Mexicans and their dropships shaped like a 1976 Ford Econoline van.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:19
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Redeye Flight posted:Why is this even a question? Voting F, for the Commandos! ARRIBA! The ponys disagree  could this be a rift in the my little pony voting block?  edit: oh i see what you did there :P Axe-man fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Feb 2, 2011 23:20
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Axe-man posted:The ponys disagree Even my brain damage can't keep me from supporting kick-rear end Mexican acrobatic gunfighting WITH MECHS. Caballeros, not Commandos! Work, brain!
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Feb 2, 2011 23:22
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Defiance Industries posted:e: New page. here is a picture. It is called a redacted and not only do they all look dumb, but they're also lovely. I picked one that, like the Banshee, has a nipple gun. I really hope PTN erases those things from existence. What a dumb loving idea.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:24
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WarLocke posted:I really hope PTN erases those things from existence. What a dumb loving idea. even the fluff calls them stupid, seriously even the poeple who made them thought they were horrible.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:25
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WarLocke posted:I really hope PTN erases those things from existence. What a dumb loving idea. Good news! They don't even exist in this timeline.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:26
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Defiance Industries posted:Oh boy, not in Stackpole novels it's not. You have people like Melissa Steiner actively bagging on wherever they're from to praise House Davion and its glories while completely ignoring any flaws they might have. I mentioned earlier I've been reading the first Stackpole Dark Ages novel "Ghost War", and he seems to have switched his love to the Republic, at least for that book. He still has plenty of time to hate on environmentalists and women and intellectuals (no one in particular, the main character has a digression about the intellectual dishonesty of... well, "intellectuals"). Started on the second Dark Ages book called "A Call to Arms" by Loren Coleman and so far it's been much better, but I can't tell how much of that is just whiplash. *edit* I suppose as a comfort to whomever's side loses the vote, that faction will still feature as the opposing force, and there's no guarantee that the side the goons pick will win. If anything, if PTN's shown himself to be a good player so far he might have the edge over whomever ends up piloting the winning side. Dolash fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Feb 2, 2011 23:29
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As someone who has read Stackpole's books in OTHER settings, he has a tendency towards hateable Mary Sues in general. Corran "Space Detective Jedi Fighter Pilot Messiah" Horn, anyone? 
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Feb 2, 2011 23:33
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I... I liked protomechs, as a concept, but high holy hell were they ugly.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:33
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Agent Interrobang posted:As someone who has read Stackpole's books in OTHER settings, he has a tendency towards hateable Mary Sues in general. Corran "Space Detective Jedi Fighter Pilot Messiah" Horn, anyone? Let's be fair to Stackpole, Jedi are all Canon Sues. That's kind of their schtick and I <3 them for it. But seriously, when he start channeling Rush Limbaugh?
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Feb 2, 2011 23:34
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Dolash posted:I mentioned earlier I've been reading the first Stackpole Dark Ages novel "Ghost War", and he seems to have switched his love to the Republic, at least for that book. He still has plenty of time to hate on environmentalists and women and intellectuals (no one in particular, the main character has a digression about the intellectual dishonesty of... well, "intellectuals"). Started on the second Dark Ages book called "A Call to Arms" by Loren Coleman and so far it's been much better, but I can't tell how much of that is just whiplash. I think the republic is the de facto protagonist faction in the dark ages setting in the same fashion as the star league used to be.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:35
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Agent Interrobang posted:As someone who has read Stackpole's books in OTHER settings, he has a tendency towards hateable Mary Sues in general. Corran "Space Detective Jedi Fighter Pilot Messiah" Horn, anyone? Don't forget he had the SPECIAL family ability to absorb blaster bolts and turn off lightsabers... 
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Feb 2, 2011 23:39
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Agent Interrobang posted:So sign up for Camacho's Caballeros now, amigo! See what it's like to ride with the the 17th Recon Regiment, and see what you've been missing! Your sales pitch intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to your newletter.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:42
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Agent Interrobang posted:Hey, vato. You know what's awesome? Being a member of hardest-fighting, hardest-partying Merc unit in the whole Inner Sphere. To anyone on the fence, imagine this voiced by Danny Trejo, whose face incidentally matches this Atlas's.
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^^^: I'm... a little excited now  W.T. Fits posted:Your sales pitch intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to your newletter. I think it's hilarious that they're an entire regiment and labeled as 'recon' myself. 
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Feb 2, 2011 23:43
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all the ponys in this thread after a visit from Agent Interrobang: exactly like the Death Commandos! 
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Feb 2, 2011 23:44
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"Ghost War" was almost redeemed simply for the bit where the lumberjack runs away from a Centurion (in a city, mind) in a Mardi Gras-decorated IndustrialMech while wearing a clown suit over his cooling apparatii. Really the whole book is a comedy of horrors if you take it seriously.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:50
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Camacho's Caballeros, because I know what a plethora means, and it means good things.
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Looks like the Camacho's Caballeros has this won. Currently stands at 24-15 by my count. 24 traitors who will suffer the worst atrocities possible at the hands of the Commandos 
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Feb 2, 2011 23:51
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Volmarias posted:To anyone on the fence, imagine this voiced by Danny Trejo, whose face incidentally matches this Atlas's. Too bad Danny Trejo wouldn't be riding along with you to give you his plot armor and heavy fire support. You're just going to be the Latin Kings in Space. Go shank some gringos, you're totally noble and awesome.  Why settle for cheap Mexican knockoffs when you can get authentic Chinese merchandise for a fraction of the price? Vote Death Commandos! Who better for killing people with lead than the Chinese?
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Feb 2, 2011 23:51
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I've gotta go with F: Camacho's Caballeros, because Death Commandos just sounds so much like what I'd have fielded in the 80's as a snot-nosed kid playing Btech for the first time, because clearly the point was to win.
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Esteemed goon hivemind, there is one fundamental that we're missing here: the Caballeros are appalling shots. Do you really want to miss with everything, or do you want to see what your weapons actually do to the opposition? Mechwarrior should be a game of huge guns blowing gigantic holes in enemy giant robots, not huge guns blowing up random trees or patches of particularly unlucky sky, whilst the opposition, who actually can shoot, have all the fun. Let's be the ones who have all the fun. Death Commandos.
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Defiance Industries posted:It is called a "ProtoMech" and not only do they all look dumb, but they're also lovely. I picked one that, like the Banshee, has a nipple gun. ... It looks like something out of Rifts.  And as a fan of Rifts, I don't mean that in a good way.
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AJ_Impy posted:Esteemed goon hivemind, there is one fundamental that we're missing here: the Caballeros are appalling shots. Do you really want to miss with everything, or do you want to see what your weapons actually do to the opposition? Mechwarrior should be a game of huge guns blowing gigantic holes in enemy giant robots, not huge guns blowing up random trees or patches of particularly unlucky sky, whilst the opposition, who actually can shoot, have all the fun. But we're fantastic pilots. You know what that means. Punches straight to the enemy cockpits, all day every day.
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AJ_Impy posted:Esteemed goon hivemind, there is one fundamental that we're missing here: the Caballeros are appalling shots. Do you really want to miss with everything, or do you want to see what your weapons actually do to the opposition? Mechwarrior should be a game of huge guns blowing gigantic holes in enemy giant robots, not huge guns blowing up random trees or patches of particularly unlucky sky, whilst the opposition, who actually can shoot, have all the fun. Pish tosh. The Caballeros are ENTHUSIASTIC mechwarriors, whose fire control matches their worldly cares! Honestly, the Caballeros are by far the most fun and entertaining option here. Go vote for Death Commandos if you want to be all grim and dark; I'll be over here, drinking a Corona with a lime in it!
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Polaron posted:But we're fantastic pilots. You know what that means. Didn't someone earlier in the thread say MegaMek uses Gunnery for melee not Piloting? That would reduce your "advantage" even more. Might want to stock up on tequila, amigos. It's going to be a long fight. [EDIT] Volmarias posted:Go vote for Death Commandos if you want to be all Fixed that for you. Besides, you guys are going to be pissed off when your sombreromechs take a siesta on you mid-fight and you get shot in the face.
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I don't really get the hate for Ghost War. Ok yeah so our protagonist punches out an environmentalist, but to be perfectly honest if future PETA was getting on my case I'd be inclined to slug them too, especially if one of them took a swing at me first.Let's also not forget the environmentalists were trying to agitate a group of lumberjacks in a bar. That doesn't exactly sound like a smart move. Lastly given what we learn later in the book it seems a lot more like he's doing all this as his cover moreso than actually being a complete jerk
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honestly, for me it isn't about being grim and dark it is about the cool blackops stuff we could do. The mexican recon regiment is all fun and stuff, but the Death commandos give us the Chance to a.) play the "bad guy" b.) Do the more devious poo poo that every major power in the IS did, no matter how Mary Sue its leaders appeared to be. c.) see some combined arms in the house Thats why i changed from the 17th to the Death Commandos variety
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Axe-man posted:all the ponys in this thread after a visit from Agent Interrobang: Man, seriously. Are the ponies just FOLLOWING ME HERE from the FIM thread? Because if I'm a pony-magnet, best forum superpower ever.
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I decided either of the two main contenders would be pretty dang fun! I will keep my vote for Los Caballeros but I will not be broken up if they come in second.  Here, have some more Caballeros art:  A vote for the Death Commandos is a vote against Donald Duck. 
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KnoxZone posted:Also, if/when the Eridani Light Horse becomes available, I fully expect a unanimous vote for them. I will accept no debate on this matter.
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Agent Interrobang posted:Man, seriously. Are the ponies just FOLLOWING ME HERE from the FIM thread? Of course not... I've been here since the STO thread. Someone linked to the first pony thread from that one or this one (I forget which).
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Mukaikubo posted:I decided either of the two main contenders would be pretty dang fun! I will keep my vote for Los Caballeros but I will not be broken up if they come in second. Picture taken at crime scene!  Marik fools! Your Donald duck is a Confederation Spy MWAHAHAHAH! Join the Commandos and Help Donald Duck! W.T. Fits posted:Of course not... I've been here since the STO thread. it was agent interrobang
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W.T. Fits posted:Of course not... I've been here since the STO thread. Works for me. I'll miss the mechanical spectacle of Teta's death, but more Twilight is always goodtimes.
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Xmas Future posted:This is correct. The ELH are the coolest, baddest-rear end motherfuckers in known space. And yet another awesome thing the Word of Blake books annihilated like they didn't even matter. Because RARGH WE ARE SO BADASSED IGNORE ALL OTHER ENEMIES WE ARE THE COOLEST *nukes every unit fans might ever have loved to prove they are the coolest*
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Guys, think about it. If we go with Camacho's Caballeros, we get to be Antonio Banderas the Mech Pilot! Nothing that the 'Myst Fang Moonsong Shadow Death Commando' squad has can compare to that.
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Mukaikubo posted:A vote for the Death Commandos is a vote against Donald Duck. You heard it folks! Vote Death Commandos cuz gently caress that duck!
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Mukaikubo posted:And yet another awesome thing the Word of Blake books annihilated like they didn't even matter. Because RARGH WE ARE SO BADASSED IGNORE ALL OTHER ENEMIES WE ARE THE COOLEST *nukes every unit fans might ever have loved to prove they are the coolest* The wobblies really are like that one time you let one of your players bring their little cousin to the game because they were stuck with them for the night, and you tried to fit them in so they wouldn't run around loving up your 
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