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Donald Duck has been kicked around far too much. Caballeros get my vote!
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Renaissance Spam posted:Donald Duck has been kicked around far too much. poor misguided fool thinking that our hidden Capellan agent would ever support a marik!
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Axe-man posted:it was agent interrobang Shockingly, that's a negative. I tend not to link to other threads.
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gently caress it, it's a long list of pilots but I'll put my name in the hat too. Signing up for a Mechwarrior. I have PMs. Also, voting Death Commandos. The Liaos might be insane, but they get kicked around an awful lot. Let's actually change Inner Sphere history here, guys.
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Agent Interrobang posted:Shockingly, that's a negative. I tend not to link to other threads. Pretty sure I was the one who linked to the MLP thread 
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Mukaikubo posted:And yet another awesome thing the Word of Blake books annihilated like they didn't even matter. Because RARGH WE ARE SO BADASSED IGNORE ALL OTHER ENEMIES WE ARE THE COOLEST *nukes every unit fans might ever have loved to prove they are the coolest*
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Agent Interrobang posted:Shockingly, that's a negative. I tend not to link to other threads.  I thought you were the one pimping my little pony earlier in this thread, i know i at least glanced at the thread.not that there is anything wrong with that, I think it is vaguely cute  WarLocke posted:Pretty sure I was the one who linked to the MLP thread oh thats cool, i feel bad for not remembering with your Avatar 
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Feb 3, 2011 00:47
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Axe-man posted:
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Speaking of which, I'm making it officialy official. DOUBLEOFFICIAL. HELL'S HORSES TOTEM MECH CONTESTI have been tasked with drumming up a picture of a robotic unicorn mecha with a particle cannon for a horn. Other considerations do not matter: it may be two-legged, four-legged, or otherwise, but it must distinctly be a robot cartoon pony and it must also distinctly have a HUGE FRIGGIN' BEAM CANNON for a horn. The attempts of any and all artists to meet this challenge are welcomed! The best entry will get their choice of forums upgrade, a fluff entry for their mech design, a personally-penned verse in the Remembrance of Clan Hell's Horses, and my undying gratitude. Hop to it, and give your creativity free rein to prance across the battlefield. HORSE PUN.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:53
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Arglebargle III posted:You heard it folks! Vote Death Commandos cuz gently caress that duck! You are a terrible human being <  >
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Feb 3, 2011 00:54
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WarLocke posted:"I WANNA BE A ROBOT NINJA WITH A LASER SWORD AND A GUN THAT SHOOTS BEARS OUT THE END" I would seriously like a gun that shoots bears out the end
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Feb 3, 2011 00:55
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WarLocke posted:The wobblies really are like that one time you let one of your players bring their little cousin to the game because they were stuck with them for the night, and you tried to fit them in so they wouldn't run around loving up your It's really not as ridiculous as you describe it. The reason they were so successful initially is because they used nukes, biological weapons, and orbital bombardments, things that had been banned for centuries in the Inner Sphere. If the IS wasn't prepared for that, it's no wonder they got swept over so easily. Their mechwarriors aren't any better on average than any of the great houses, or at least the clans in the case of the manei dominei, and it shows in the writing and in gameplay.
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Angry_Ed posted:I don't really get the hate for Ghost War. Ok yeah so our protagonist punches out an environmentalist, but to be perfectly honest if future PETA was getting on my case I'd be inclined to slug them too, especially if one of them took a swing at me first.Let's also not forget the environmentalists were trying to agitate a group of lumberjacks in a bar. That doesn't exactly sound like a smart move. Lastly given what we learn later in the book it seems a lot more like he's doing all this as his cover moreso than actually being a complete jerk It's not that the environmentalists were written in an especially sympathetic light, it's that the authour chose them for his patsy at all - and that he went the extra mile to give the protagonist plenty of internal monologue time to explain why they were bad. Of all the bad guys to pick out he goes for a comically exagerated space-PETA and for the first half of the book sets them up to be utterly incompetent dupes and totally unsypathetic so that by the end you should be hoping they'll get justly slaughtered. And that bar scene at the start cannot possibly be defended. Girl shows up to ask for money for charity group, only now that charity group is actually a front for Evul Terrurists and Our Hero gives her a perfectly-executed verbal takedown that she cannot rebuff. Then her friend simply cannot be persuaded from backing down because she dyed her hair red and is a militant vegetarian who presumably hates men, and Our Hero takes her down with military precision. He even then takes down one of his own friends who makes the mistake of thinking he'd done a bad thing even though Our Hero explained in detail why he was in the right - but that's okay because the friend is quite dumb. It reads like he actually saw a college girl collecting money at his favourite bar in real life and constructed a fantasy scenario where he could've showed her what he really thought once and for all. That whole scene was awful, but it keeps goddamn coming back up for the rest of the book. Later on, while looking at the girl he'd beaten up earlier and another friend of hers he'd also beaten up he explains to the reader that he could've taken them down without hurting them but hurt them anyway to teach them a lesson about how War Is Dirty and their intellectual sensibilities couldn't handle it. This is our definitely-meant-to-be-sympathetic, all-internal-monologue-all-the-time protagonist. I have rarely read a worse book, but I don't want to clog up the thread so [/book report].
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Dolash posted:It's not that the environmentalists were written in an especially sympathetic light, it's that the authour chose them for his patsy at all - and that he went the extra mile to give the protagonist plenty of internal monologue time to explain why they were bad. Of all the bad guys to pick out he goes for a comically exagerated space-PETA and for the first half of the book sets them up to be utterly incompetent dupes and totally unsypathetic so that by the end you should be hoping they'll get justly slaughtered. Sounds a lot like a book series called The Destroyer published in like, the late 60s or something. The hero was this invincible badass with ancient chinese training and thick wrists who could break a man's arms with his pinkies and other such bullshit, and was always going on and on about how intellectualism, education, liberalism, so forth and so on were evils. I bet his space lumberjack protagonist can kill a <redacted> in a circle of equals, too. After demanding the <redacted> wear his <redacted> so it's a fair fight.  s write that kind of crap.
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Xmas Future posted:Man, people really overreact about the Jihad. I think the issue everyone has was with the Manei Domini, being Elite/Fanatical to a T before implants. (Oh god MD implants are amazing things). Of course the MD were absolutely tiny, and C3i + MD implants drove up BV something fierce, especially because most of the Celestials/Spectrals were very well-designed IS mechs with decent loadouts that played very well in groups. I think the most amazing game I ever played was one heavy Level II of Celestials + a Level II of infantry and battle armor versus 2 Clan Stars of mechs (1 medium/light, one medium/heavy) and another Star of vehicles with a Star of foot infantry. Outnumbered by guys with superior technology, with just C3i, cybernetics, and balls to face them down. It was a pretty amazing fight. In other news, I'm voting for the Death Commandos. Underdogs unite!
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Feb 3, 2011 01:20
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Voting F, 17th Recon. Because no, gently caress YOU, Space China.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:21
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So....when is PTN ending the voting? I want the space mexicans to win. Don't know why.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:21
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Agent Interrobang posted:Speaking of which, I'm making it officialy official. DOUBLEOFFICIAL. I will do this poo poo in full, glorious TRO style.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:22
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Vote F - 17th Recon However the death commandos are pretty cool too, so this is a win/win
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Somewhere there is a lurker in this thread cursing about the 17th stealing "real 'mericans" mech jobs. Also I was discussing BT with another Mass Effect goon in IRC. When we got to the Clans I explained that I couldn't shake the mental image of a bunch of kilt wearing sheep herders running around in mechs (that also wear kilts) and doing highland charges. Then I am informed that there is actually a unit called the Highlanders in BT lore. Now we need a mech with high pressure hoses to shoot whiskey.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:32
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MJ12 posted:I think the issue everyone has was with the Manei Domini, being Elite/Fanatical to a T before implants. (Oh god MD implants are amazing things). My main issue with the WoB is that they basically come out of nowhere and somehow have been building up forces for years and just take out everyone in true deus ex machina fashion. It smacks me as an "oh poo poo, we gotta come up with something REALLY EXTREME now guys!" mentality.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:42
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WarLocke posted:My main issue with the WoB is that they basically come out of nowhere and somehow have been building up forces for years and just take out everyone in true deus ex machina fashion.
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Feb 3, 2011 01:51
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Xmas Future posted:The WoB had existed since the early 3052s, had the secret backing of a great house, and conquered Terra in 3058. They'd been building up for war for at least 25 years when they started the Jihad. and they didn't start from scratch. The only thing I didn't get is were they got all those loving nukes.
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raverrn posted:The only thing I didn't get is were they got all those loving nukes. And totally new mech designs nobody has ever seen before, and motherfucking combat cybernetic implants or whatever poo poo. (Yes I know Justin Allard had a laser in his arm, but his was a pretty unique limb and not at all typical of cybernetics)
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Feb 3, 2011 01:57
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I had to go back to the first posts just to check that in this altered timeline the 17th weren't made up of a group of stiff-upper-lip reserved British sharpshooters with two left feet. Since they're not, my vote is for them.
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So, did we ever have a followup of our MegaMek session? I tried to set up a server, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to work for anyone else, as all it's giving me is an internal IP.
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Feb 3, 2011 02:01
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WarLocke posted:And totally new mech designs nobody has ever seen before, every new TRO.
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Felime posted:So, did we ever have a followup of our MegaMek session? I tried to set up a server, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to work for anyone else, as all it's giving me is an internal IP. No, but I am as always very much down for it.
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Xmas Future posted:You know what else has those... What's your point? When Defiance Industries comes up with a new mech design, people know about it. How the hell are the wobblies supposed to have designed all these special mechs of theirs and manufactured however many regiments of them without anyone noticing?
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Felime posted:So, did we ever have a followup of our MegaMek session? I tried to set up a server, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to work for anyone else, as all it's giving me is an internal IP. if you ahve a router you need to forward the port then get your external IP address, and then you are good to go tonight i have to work so i can't host 
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WarLocke posted:What's your point? When Defiance Industries comes up with a new mech design, people know about it. How the hell are the wobblies supposed to have designed all these special mechs of theirs and manufactured however many regiments of them without anyone noticing?
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WarLocke posted:And totally new mech designs nobody has ever seen before, and motherfucking combat cybernetic implants or whatever poo poo. Every major faction has combat cybernetic implants save the FWL (due to their cybernetics stigma) and the Clans only use EI rather than dermal myomer and whatnot. The Manei Domini's "uniqueness" as it were is not that they use cyborgs, but that they use them in frontline units instead of commandos. VDNI is basically just a reverse engineered EI system, their myomer implants are nothing you can't find in the arsenals of particularly fanatical covert ops agencies, and the laser arms are similarly found in covert ops agencies. The new mechs were presumably built, designed, and tested solely on the Manei Domini's Hidden Worlds and only seen in the invasion for that reason. Xmas Future posted:The WoB are a break-off of Comstar, information suppression and manipulation is practically their job description. I think the other thing is that people don't realize just how much hidden stuff ComStar had and how much pull ComStar has, and most of it defected to the WoB.
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MJ12 posted:Every major faction has combat cybernetic implants save the FWL (due to their cybernetics stigma) and the Clans only use EI rather than dermal myomer and whatnot. The Manei Domini's "uniqueness" as it were is not that they use cyborgs, but that they use them in frontline units instead of commandos. Uh, no, unless you're talking about some crazy post-Jihad/DA-era stuff. The only time I ever remember combat cybernetics being mentioned was Allard's arm, and he was a special case. e: Enhanced Imaging was made up for/in the cartoon and never reference in the books so I'm not really sure that it counts. quote:The new mechs were presumably built, designed, and tested solely on the Manei Domini's Hidden Worlds and only seen in the invasion for that reason. Ah, okay, so basically "a wizard did it" and they're not even trying to keep things realistic. Sure, why the gently caress not?
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WarLocke posted:Ah, okay, so basically "a wizard did it" and they're not even trying to keep things realistic. Sure, why the gently caress not? So what's exactly unrealistic about the hidden worlds? Space is bloody big. Someone finding a suitable rock and establishing a colony without ever telling anyone isn't exactly a stretch. Especially if that someone stems from pretty much the only group left that does any actual exploring because everyone else trashed their fleets to the point where they can't afford it. Hell, the Star League left tons of secret installations behind all over the IS and Periphery thanks to their paranoia about mankind nuking itself completely back to the stone age.
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Enhanced imaging is in Total Warfare and TRO: 3060, a modified version is used by protomechs in order to save weight on a gyro system (which is actually a really neat application). It also makes it's user go crazy after a while, the Manei Domini have a similar version which improves it's performance to 10 years before terminal brain damage.
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Magni posted:So what's exactly unrealistic about the hidden worlds? Space is bloody big. Someone finding a suitable rock and establishing a colony without ever telling anyone isn't exactly a stretch. Especially if that someone stems from pretty much the only group left that does any actual exploring because everyone else trashed their fleets to the point where they can't afford it. Guy 1: "Now that the Clans are all punked out we need some sort of new threat. An even worse one!" Guy 2: "I know, let's have the Word of Blake go all Jihad on everyone!" Guy 1: "The WoB? The AT&T guys? What are they going to Jihad with?" Guy 2: "Uh, they have a bunch of old nukes. Oh and they have their own mechs they designed and built in secret!" Guy 1: "Where did they build these mechs that nobody knows about them?" Guy 2: "Well duh, they have a bunch of planets hidden away that nobody knows about!"
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WarLocke posted:Ah, okay, so basically "a wizard did it" and they're not even trying to keep things realistic. Sure, why the gently caress not? A Wizard of the Coast ?
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Axe-man posted:if you ahve a router you need to forward the port then get your external IP address, and then you are good to go tonight i have to work so i can't host Anyone with PMs willing to help me troubleshoot and make sure everything works from outside?
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Guy 1: "Now that Liao and Kurita are all punked out we need some sort of new threat. An even worse one!" Guy 2: "I know, let's have the old SLDF go all Invasion on everyone!" Guy 1: "The SLDF? The Exodus guys? What are they going to Invade with?" Guy 2: "Uh, they have a bunch of old Star League era warships. Oh and they have their own mechs they designed and built in secret!" Guy 1: "Where did they build these mechs that nobody knows about them?" Guy 2: "Well duh, they have a bunch of planets hidden away that nobody knows about!" Catalyst is not trying to get rid of everything you loved, they've even been releasing new scenario books and scourcebooks focused on all sorts of historical events in the universe, they're focusing heavily on the creation of the clans now, too.
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WarLocke posted:What's your point? When Defiance Industries comes up with a new mech design, people know about it. [dons cardigan] Just doing my job.
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