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I know I'm not a regular contributor to this thread, but I have to chime in here. I have been married for 11 years and have two children, both in school. In my years before law school, I was an active duty Marine (4 years) and a police officer (5 years) in a small city. Anyone looking to leave a government position making one hundred and forty thousand dollars per year needs to have their head examined. When I was working as a police officer, and my wife had an office job, we had a combined income of about $55,000 per year. We had a nice house in a new subdivision, two nice cars, two motorcycles and a nice lifestyle that allowed for a little disposable income. I left my $30,000 dollar job to come to law school, leaving my wife as the sole income. Even though she was promoted when we moved to Lexington, we have lived the last three years on around $40,0000 per year. We still have two cars. We bought a nice house in the best school district in the city. My children don't want for things and we still have disposable income. After the July bar this year, I will start at a small law firm making a little less than $50,000 per year, representing a more than 50% increase to my previous pay. My wife and I will combine for $95,000 (or so) per year. I acknowledge that Lexington, KY has a lower cost of living than Washington, DC, but there is no way that the DC cost of living is so high that it cannot be overcome by an additional $55,000 per year. The most insane thing is that "topping out" (not counting COLA increases) at age 29 making $140,000 is somehow seen as a problem. After all of the derision and "no jobs" posts in this thread, this is the most ridiculous turn of events.
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Feb 4, 2011 15:41
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evilweasel posted:Any kid is going to have a much much easier life without student loans than with (see: this thread). There's not really any learning that goes on from getting them. Uh no you get to learn what it's like to be forced to make a major financial decision with damning repercussions when you're seventeen so that the next time that exact situation happens you'll be in better shape. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Feb 4, 2011 |
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Feb 4, 2011 16:09
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evilweasel posted:Any kid is going to have a much much easier life without student loans than with (see: this thread). There's not really any learning that goes on from getting them. That said, I agree with defleshed and think anyone who can these days would certainly qualify as "rich." gvibes fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Feb 4, 2011 |
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Feb 4, 2011 16:31
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Barauch's incredibly lucky; Canadian patent examiners cap out at 110k, and there are like a thousand steps and ranks to go through to get there  I'm not a lawyer or going to law school but I am going into patents at an overseas firm (engineering background) and am hoping to eventually come back and land a job with the Canadian government as a patent examiner. evilweasel posted:Any kid is going to have a much much easier life without student loans than with (see: this thread). There's not really any learning that goes on from getting them. I learned a lot about fiscal responsibility.
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Feb 4, 2011 17:23
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Feb 4, 2011 17:37
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MoFauxHawk posted:Uh no you get to learn what it's like to be forced to make a major financial decision with damning repercussions when you're seventeen so that the next time that exact situation happens you'll be in better shape.
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Feb 4, 2011 17:55
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:gimme ideas for a job tia the job of reading the goddamn paper i sent you
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Feb 4, 2011 18:51
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Petey posted:the job of reading the goddamn paper i sent you Hahaha this is so good. Edit: the ll.m. interrview program is coming up, and I put in bids for interviews, but I feel so guilty about looking at other jobs while still working for my current boss. entris fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 4, 2011 |
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Feb 4, 2011 19:08
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Petey posted:the job of reading the goddamn paper i sent you joke's on you. I read it a while ago and it's pretty good. I'm going to start adding to it soon
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Feb 4, 2011 19:11
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Defleshed posted:I am married, have 2 kids, and live in Chicago. I would not do what he is considering doing. I would also murder a homeless man to have the setup he has now. I am married, with three kids, 2 cars, and live in a 2400 square foot house in the middle of the midwest. We made, combined, $175,000 last year. My two cars are 2003 domestic models and are paid for. My furniture is literally hand-me downs and stuff I bought from a neighbor. Not because I am too broke, but rather the three kids are going to gently caress up the furniture regardless of price, so why spend money on it? The kids go to public school. We spend around 10% on health care (a blend of pre and post tax money through an HSA), around 10% pre-tax goes to retirement accounts, and around another 7% goes to saving for kids college. We eat out at restaurants around twice a month. We go to the movies once every couple of months. We pay mortgage, groceries, utilities, child care, and two sets of student loans, car insurance, life insurance, disability insurance, kids clothes, kids sports costs, vet bills, etc. etc. etc. and I never have any loving money at the end of the month. It sure doesn't feel like I am living extravagantly driving my 8 year old Ford Taurus around. I thought my $185,000 house was reasonable in price, but maybe that's the problem. I guess I am just utterly loving ridiculous. evilweasel posted:Any kid is going to have a much much easier life without student loans than with (see: this thread). There's not really any learning that goes on from getting them. That is my goal as well. Student loans have turned me into a wage slave. I have bypassed a dozen opportunities in my career to take a risk and swing for the fences because I have to make that monthly nut. I want more for my children. Baruch Obamawitz posted:gimme ideas for a job tia Amway.
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Feb 4, 2011 19:36
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nm posted:Non-dischargeable damning repercussions. That'll learn 'em. I think he was being sarcastic. Anyway, I think it is a parent's duty to pay for their kid's education if they have the ability. Parents should make some sacrifices to take care of their kids and make sure they don't start $50k or $200k in the hole when they finish school.
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Feb 4, 2011 19:38
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poofactory posted:I think he was being sarcastic. That makes me nauseous.
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Feb 4, 2011 19:43
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gvibes posted:If tuition continues to increase at 8% a year, and you have a kid now, how much money would you have to put away to pay a kid's way through? Like 10 grand a year per kid? Public schools outside of CA are still relatively cheap aren't they? $5k/semester or so should do it. That's $40k total today and maybe $150k after 18 years if costs keep rising at this rate which I doubt they do. That's not $10k/year. That's more like $5k/year. That shouldn't be too difficult. That's also assuming the kid can't get any scholarships or other money. Push the kid to do well in school and s/he can get a decent scholarship to grad school.
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Feb 4, 2011 20:09
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HiddenReplaced posted:I'm moving back in late May. Whenever Barbri starts. In re barbri, should I do online only or go to the class? Nevermind, now a law firm is paying for it and I won't be living with my mom.
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Feb 4, 2011 20:17
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HiddenReplaced posted:Nevermind, now a law firm is paying for it and I won't be living with my mom. Is this a subtle way to say "I got a job"??! Congrats, if so!
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Feb 4, 2011 20:21
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poofactory posted:Public schools outside of CA are still relatively cheap aren't they? $5k/semester or so should do it. That's $40k total today and maybe $150k after 18 years if costs keep rising at this rate which I doubt they do. That's not $10k/year. That's more like $5k/year. That shouldn't be too difficult. That's also assuming the kid can't get any scholarships or other money. Push the kid to do well in school and s/he can get a decent scholarship to grad school. Also, I was under the impression there is fairly limited aid scholarship funding available to rich kids going to state schools. I know I only got like $1k in non need-based grant money, and I was pretty loving exceptional. Fortunately, my parents were poor.
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Feb 4, 2011 20:30
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gvibes posted:At Illinois, it's over $10k for residents now. Plus, there are additional expenses. I was assuming all in - current total estimated cost is 27k-31k a year - http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/tuition_freshman.html So your point is that it is too much money so you prefer your kid pay it? Anyway, UIC is $5k or less and the kids can live at home. Graduate with a 3.5 and get a decent LSAT score and they can get a scholarship to one of the 10 law schools in Chicago. It shouldn't be too much to ask a parent to sacrifice a bit for their kids. Why have them if you aren't willing to raise them? http://www.uic.edu/depts/oar/undergrad/tuition_undergrad/tuition_ug_fal10_spr11.html
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Feb 4, 2011 21:12
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poofactory posted:So your point is that it is too much money so you prefer your kid pay it? 2) JFC, I'm planning on paying for their schooling 3) JFC, I'm not letting my kids go to law school 4) Living at home would make things more reasonable, but I would like for them to be able experience college
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Feb 4, 2011 21:28
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Did someone just equate "funding law school" to "raising children"?
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Feb 4, 2011 21:32
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gvibes posted:1) Those are per-semester I've consistently written per semester in each of my posts on this topic. $5k/semester * 8 = $40k in today's dollars. See Supra.
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Feb 4, 2011 21:35
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Just found out an opinion I helped author got overturned. Rage!
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Feb 4, 2011 21:54
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poofactory posted:I've consistently written per semester in each of my posts on this topic. $5k/semester * 8 = $40k in today's dollars. See Supra.
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Feb 4, 2011 21:55
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gvibes posted:At Illinois, it's over $10k for residents now. Plus, there are additional expenses. I was assuming all in - current total estimated cost is 27k-31k a year - http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/tuition_freshman.html Remember that at $100k+, your children are likely to be in the hosed by FASFA group and graduate with that $100k+ of non dischargable debt to weigh them down forever. (Oh and for computing tuition costs remember cost of living. Thats often just as bad, if not worse than tuition and those loans are just as non-dischargable). This whole dept to get your education thing is stupid anyhow. I love all the right-wing, baby-boomer nutjobs calling for increased tuition because it costs them money when those assholes went to a UC for $.50/credit.
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Feb 4, 2011 22:15
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Solomon- While being able to fund two or more entire college educations from beginning to end would certainly be a great thing to be able to do; the fact that I can't doesn't mean I (and you) don't make a good amount of money. If I made 175k per year I could not only do that for my kids but I could pay the 10 year quick repayment plan on my own entire law school loan balance as well as maintain our current standard of living. I'm not trying to be a dick but something is wrong. Are your student loan payments 10g's per month? Are you spending two grand a month on groceries? Do you have crippling credit card debt? We don't go out very much either, and I have health insurance through my employer that covers everyone so I could see I am saving money over you on that one. I'm just unable to see how, under any circumstances, I could make what you make and say there was no money left at the end of the month. I've been down this road before, in other forums or in person with people. It almost always in my experience comes down to an unrealistic idea of how others live. People who have trouble making ends meet on a six figure income usually have little understanding of the term "making ends meet".
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Feb 4, 2011 23:13
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entris posted:Is this a subtle way to say "I got a job"??! Yep, thanks!
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Feb 4, 2011 23:17
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Defleshed posted:I've been down this road before, in other forums or in person with people. It almost always in my experience comes down to an unrealistic idea of how others live. People who have trouble making ends meet on a six figure income usually have little understanding of the term "making ends meet". I CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING PERFECT FOREVER!!!
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Feb 4, 2011 23:23
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Defleshed posted:Solomon- I have to say that I had no trouble paying my expenses and saving a lot of money when I made ~$175k/year or even when I made less than that. Also, I paid ~3x what Soloman did for his house and have kids.
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Feb 4, 2011 23:31
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poofactory posted:I have to say that I had no trouble paying my expenses and saving a lot of money when I made ~$175k/year or even when I made less than that. Also, I paid ~3x what Soloman did for his house and have kids. That's because of your awesome tax savings due to marrying a church.
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Feb 4, 2011 23:34
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Defleshed posted:Solomon- poofactory posted:I have to say that I had no trouble paying my expenses and saving a lot of money when I made ~$175k/year or even when I made less than that. Also, I paid ~3x what Soloman did for his house and have kids. We haven't been making that much for very long. It is not as if we got jobs out of law school making $70k each. Our first years we made $35k and $29k. There was no IBR back then, we went into deferment, the unpaid amounts being added to principal. We have been handcuffed ever since. Our income would rise and we would pay more to debt. Add in some bad luck (house fire, health problem, etc.) and you go into further debt. We are making great strides now, as our income has gone up dramatically the last two years. But we still have a long way to go. Do you folks have life and disability insurance? That is a major cost item in our household, as we have 3 kids to take care of if we die/get disabled, so we can't do without. My premiums are astronomical because I have a heart diagnosis, which makes carrying the insurance even more important. I am not sure how this relates to having an unrealistic expectation of how other people live. I went to law school with the express expectation that I would end up a bachelor, working at legal aid, living over someone's garage, wearing short sleeve dress shirts with knit ties and driving a LeCar. I got so in debt in law school that I had to go work for the man for a little whle. Then I got married, and started having kids, and I am still working for the man. In terms of making ends meet, we do what we can. Every time Suze Orman shows up on Oprah talking about ways to cut your expenses, we already do all that stuff. We clip coupons, and comparison shop. I get my suits at Men's Wearhouse. I don't think my current expectations are out of line. Comfortable middle class existence, retire in my early sixties, and send my kids to college. Is that so wrong?
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Feb 5, 2011 02:15
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No Solomon, it isn't, and you've been over your finances before, and I don't think it's an unreasonable situation. I do think "wait why can't you make ends meet above six figures" is a reasonable kneejerk reaction, though. Baruch Obamawitz posted:joke's on you. I read it a while ago and it's pretty good. ok good, I'm going to be under water with work the next few weeks but let me know what if anything you do before I pick it up again. rereading it, there are already some changes I would make, some stylistic, some conceptual, but you take a crack at it first.
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Feb 5, 2011 02:40
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Solomon Grundy posted:In terms of making ends meet, we do what we can. Every time Suze Orman shows up on Oprah talking about ways to cut your expenses, we already do all that stuff. We clip coupons, and comparison shop. I get my suits at Men's Wearhouse. Somewhere, a chill just went down Mookie's spine.
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Feb 5, 2011 04:06
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MaximumBob posted:Somewhere, a chill just went down Mookie's spine. As if a million bespoke suits cried out...and were suddenly silenced.
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Feb 5, 2011 04:28
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MaximumBob posted:Somewhere, a chill just went down Mookie's spine. If you find me a bespoke tailor who guarantees that I will like the way I look, I will consider saving up my lunch money.
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Feb 5, 2011 04:47
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Solomon Grundy posted:If you find me a bespoke tailor who guarantees that I will like the way I look, I will consider saving up my lunch money. Here's my list: All of them. At least get up to made to measure instead of off the rack. Buy nice suits, it ends up working out to the same cost over time and you won't look like poo poo. It doesn't need to be a Kiton... just not Men's Wearhouse for the love of god.
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Feb 5, 2011 05:14
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Solomon Grundy posted:If you find me a bespoke tailor who guarantees that I will like the way I look, I will consider saving up my lunch money. i laughed i admit it
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Feb 5, 2011 05:42
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Omerta posted:Here's my list: All of them. At least get up to made to measure instead of off the rack. (That was a joke about the Men's Wearhouse slogan: "You are going to like the way you look, I guarantee it.") It is not the same cost over time, not even close. It is 1/5 the cost, at least. If you gently caress up once with a bespoke suit, it is just as ruined as a Men's Wearhouse horsehair special. Having barfing kids and a very hairy dog around makes good suits a bad investment. I have no use for a bespoke suit. If I were to try a case in a bespoke suit in my depressed corner of the Midwest, I would totally alienate myself from Joe Sixpack. I would be "putting on airs" and tagged for it. I was sitting lunch during a trial in my third or fourth year, and listened to the jurors speculate on the cost of the defense lawyer's shoes for about 15 minutes. They hated on the dude and I got my best plaintiff's verdict in my career. I learned from it, and keep a pair of holey scuffed up broughams for trials. I wear my shittiest, baggiest suits for trial, which are not hard to find at the Wearhouse. I practice in some courthouses with hitching posts for horses, and others with parking meters that don't have slots that will take quarters. I can just see myself showing up in a handmade suit... jesus christ.
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Feb 5, 2011 05:43
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Solomon Grundy posted:Having [...] a very hairy dog These are the best kinds of dogs so don't second-guess yourself for a minute. Also the parking meters you were talking about, what do they take?
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Feb 5, 2011 07:16
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prussian advisor posted:These are the best kinds of dogs so don't second-guess yourself for a minute. Credit cards, obviously!
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Feb 5, 2011 07:24
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I spent 12 hours today sitting at a desk given an impossible task/deadline combo in an area that I have no experience in, with absolutely no help forthcoming from anyone in the office that knew what they were doing, desperately trying to figure out the proper course of action from practice guides, compiling what I think were the proper documents and declarations with visions of malpractice suits dancing in my head. I honestly prayed for massive heart attack, but instead I was gifted with the client calling and giving me information that made all the work I had done null and void. Now I will have to begin on a new, even less familiar course of action, with a similar lack of help next week. gently caress my life and gently caress ever having chosen the law as my vocation. Yet I'm one of the lucky ones because I have a job. cerebral fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Feb 5, 2011 |
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