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Endorph posted:If I recall, JR used to be an announcer for WCW then quit for WWF. So that probably explains the Oklahoma thing. JR was fired from WCW due to being Bill Watts' second in command and the Watts era ending. They forgot to remove him from the WCW sponsored radio show in Atlanta. So JR signed with the WWF and had Vince on as his guest on the radio show to announce he would be calling WM 9. WCW everybody. JR working for WCW had nothing to do with Oklahoma. Russo and Ferrera are just childish and petty people.
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Jack Krauser posted:Where does the "Broke/ripped 6000 somethings and never drew a dime" thing come from? Who was it in reference to originally? I think it was something someone said about Jeff Jarrett. "Broke 1000 guitars and never drew a dime."
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Suben posted:This reminds me of something I read once (maybe in the whole sleaze list so it could be fake?) that when WCW had action figures, it was set up so that if someone bought a Jericho or whatever lower carder figure it'd actually register as a sale of a figure of Hogan and other guys like that thus loving the lower carders out of royalties.
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LividLiquid posted:He went to a Toys R Us and bought his own figure. The receipt said Hogan. Now anybody with even a basic understanding of point of sale systems can tell you that this event had absolutely nothing to do with distribution of royalties and the error was on Toys R Us's end, not WCW's. But there was that poll that when you votes for Flair it gave votes to Hogan.
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I'm pretty sure the story was that WCW/the toy company were intentionally putting the wrong barcodes on the figures to have them show up as Hogan figures, not a TRU thing.
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bobkatt013 posted:But there was that poll that when you votes for Flair it gave votes to Hogan.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I think it was something someone said about Jeff Jarrett. "Broke 1000 guitars and never drew a dime." Yeah it was about Jarrett. 6000 guitars actually and Mike Graham said it in the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD.
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I'm not a huge fan of Jarrett but Mike Graham is such a shithead that I can't really consider it a good burn
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tzirean posted:I'm not sure they'd really come up with NXT at that point, but yeah, WWE grabbed them both at the same time, and people were thrilled at the idea. Then it was announced that TNA had signed Nigel, and people were both confused and considerably less thrilled; you could probably hear Jerusalem's heart break three states away. Thanks for the info, he must be in a pretty bad way for both WWE and TNA to keep him out. Pretty sad really, I can only go by the 10 or saw matches I've watched but from what I have he seems really good.
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MassRayPer posted:JR was fired from WCW due to being Bill Watts' second in command and the Watts era ending. They forgot to remove him from the WCW sponsored radio show in Atlanta. So JR signed with the WWF and had Vince on as his guest on the radio show to announce he would be calling WM 9. WCW everybody. Does that radio show exist?
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Sugar Blaster posted:the most offensive wrestling impersonation was easily oaklahoma. I'm no fan of Ed Ferrara, but I give credit where credit is due--for a writer, he took some really good bumps in that match.
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LividLiquid posted:He went to a Toys R Us and bought his own figure. The receipt said Hogan. Now anybody with even a basic understanding of point of sale systems can tell you that this event had absolutely nothing to do with distribution of royalties and the error was on Toys R Us's end, not WCW's. I should know, I work in a supermarket  jeffersonlives posted:I'm pretty sure the story was that WCW/the toy company were intentionally putting the wrong barcodes on the figures to have them show up as Hogan figures, not a TRU thing. Sue Denim fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Feb 5, 2011 |
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Sue Denim posted:Was Smackdown always intended to be the b - show? Yes, RAW will always be WWE A show in their eyes. even though theres been priods the stories/wrestling was better on smackdown.
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Sue Denim posted:Was Smackdown always intended to be the b - show? I know fans tend to project a kind of personality onto the brands but what you're asking whether the taped show on a worse night with less viewers has ever been valued over the live show on a night with more viewers. fwiw SD usually wins the bigger interbrand matches for some reason.
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Web Jew.0 posted:I know fans tend to project a kind of personality onto the brands but what you're asking whether the taped show on a worse night with less viewers has ever been valued over the live show on a night with more viewers. To make it seem like there's at least some kind of parity. And there was a period, I think when Heyman was doing the Smackdown Six stuff, where Smackdown was actually outdoing Raw in sheer viewership, even if the ratings were technically lower due to the network vs cable thing.
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Sue Denim posted:Was Smackdown always intended to be the b - show? No. At first it was a big deal and drew more viewers than Raw so they would be crazy to see it as the be show. At best Raw was A and Smackdown was A-. As the ratings decline in the post Attitude era happened, Smackdown slipped more than Raw, and then was moved to Fridays where ratings got even worse. It would still draw the same number of viewers as Raw, but only rarely when Raw did a poor number. By the move to Fridays it was clearly a B show.
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Smackdown was TREATED as the B Show as early as 2002, but thanks to Heyman's booking and use of the best wrestlers in the company, it didn't become an actual B Show until 2004, when they kicked him off the writing team and made JBL champion.
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bobkatt013 posted:But there was that poll that when you votes for Flair it gave votes to Hogan. This was a part of an onscreen storyline. They wanted to fix it so Flair would lose for sure. In the storyline, he was jealous of Hogan's popularity and knee dropped a copy of WCW magazine. I think that kind of makes it even funnier. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Feb 5, 2011 |
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Captain Charisma posted:Smackdown was TREATED as the B Show as early as 2002, but thanks to Heyman's booking and use of the best wrestlers in the company, it didn't become an actual B Show until 2004, when they kicked him off the writing team and made JBL champion. That was the exact period I came back to watching wrestling. If I hadn't found ROH I probably would have quit right then and there.
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Feb 5, 2011 20:18
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MassRayPer posted:and then was moved to Fridays where ratings got even worse.
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Atticus Finch posted:I thought the ratings went up on Friday, since Thursday had tons of competition on other channels. Ratings went way down after the move to Friday. They were doing above a 3 in 2005 before the move, and after the move ratings dove into the low 2s, but recovered to the upper 2s by the end of the year for about a 10% decline. A year after the move ratings had declined more than half a point. The move was made because Friday is a terrible night for ratings and UPN felt that Smackdown would maintain its rating no matter what. They could then use the Thursday night slot for other shows they felt would do worse on Friday.
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MassRayPer posted:Ratings went way down after the move to Friday. They were doing above a 3 in 2005 before the move, and after the move ratings dove into the low 2s, but recovered to the upper 2s by the end of the year for about a 10% decline. A year after the move ratings had declined more than half a point. Of course, this does not explain why MyNetwork and SyFy have not moved it back, in spite of the former definitely not having any reason not to. 
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Gaz-L posted:Of course, this does not explain why MyNetwork and SyFy have not moved it back, in spite of the former definitely not having any reason not to. MyNetwork: They are stupid idiots Syfy: They probably have shows they think would suffer on Fridays but think Smackdown will do the same rating regardless of the day.
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I kinda hope they keep it there because otherwise I'd have to DVR it on Thursdays.
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DannoMack posted:Why is pro wrestling on a channel about science fiction?
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The Croc posted:Yes, RAW will always be WWE A show in their eyes. even though theres been priods the stories/wrestling was better on smackdown. 2003 Smackdown was wayyyyyy better than Raw that year.
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DannoMack posted:Why is pro wrestling on a channel about science fiction? SyFy is slowly moving away from its science fiction roots and trying to reach a more generalized audience. Additionally, WWE has a contract with NBC Universal where they have to offer any new or moved shows to any NBC Universal channel before offering it to another one. When the time came for SmackDown to move off of MyTV, NBCU's choice was to put it on USA--which they didn't want because it would make USA too much of a wrestling channel--or put it on SyFy, or let WWE try to sell it to a competing cable channel. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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The Goog posted:SyFy is slowly moving away from its science fiction roots and trying to reach a more generalized audience. Additionally, WWE has a contract with NBC Universal where they have to offer any new or moved shows to any NBC Universal channel before offering it to another one. When the time came for SmackDown to move off of MyTV, NBCU's choice was to put it on USA--which they didn't want because it would make USA too much of a wrestling channel--or put it on SyFy, or let WWE try to sell it to a competing cable channel. I believe the deal is that NBCU has the exclusive rights to WWE on cable. So if WWE could not find a network home for Smackdown, they had to go into the NBC family. Superstars gets away with this because WGN is considered a network, despite being on WGN America.
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Wasn't WWE's ECW the first WWE program on what is now-SyFy? I remember them either justifying the channel or parodying the channel (never could decide which I thought it was) for the first couple weeks with Sandman. I want to say that the first show started with an appearance by 'a ghost' (which, if you look closely, was someone covered in ghostly white powder also imitating the Ultimate Warrior [notice the facepaint], going "BUH RBUH BRUH") who then got the flour caned off of him by Sandman. He did that kinda thing for a few weeks until he had a real feud with someone, I believe. So they started out by acknowledging the Sci-Fi stuff at least, anyway. --: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ96WvwHvGM haha okay so it was a zombie, not a ghost. still, promo of the year Twisted Eye fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 6, 2011 |
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ColeM posted:2003 Smackdown was wayyyyyy better than Raw that year. And 2002. Momentum shifted after WM20.
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In fact Smackdown was so much better than Raw that they actually made a storyline about how Vince was getting on Bischoff's rear end for failing to keep Raw up with Smackdown. This lead to Bischoff going through a series of panicky desperation moves to up the ratings like Hot Lesbian Action, gate-crashing Billy and Chuck's wedding (the infamous,"Did I just hear myself say....?" bit), making out with Stephanie while wearing a Vince McMahon mask (yes he did this), engaging in bidding wars over the likes of Scott Steiner and Shawn Michaels, and pledging that he would return Stone Cold Steve Austin to Raw. I'll aways remember the week after Billy and Chuck, Michael Cole saying something like,"The fact is Raw has sucked recently and the one time, THE ONE TIME, that guys from Raw have done anything interesting in WEEKS.... they did it on Smackdown!"
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Captain Charisma posted:And 2002. Momentum shifted after WM20. SD ruled as soon as the split happened, since in the original draft, SD took Rock, Angle, and Benoit, while RAW took Undertaker and the nWo (Hall, Nash, and I think X-Pac).
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I've been watching wrestling for work for a couple months now and I can see how they can pull punches for most of their moves, but what do they do to cushion or mitigate the pain of getting dropped onto a ladder during a ladder match?
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McNutty posted:I've been watching wrestling for work for a couple months now and I can see how they can pull punches for most of their moves, but what do they do to cushion or mitigate the pain of getting dropped onto a ladder during a ladder match? A lot of the time, they don't. If there's a spot where the ladder breaks in half, the ladder is gimmicked but other than that, they're pretty solid. They shift their weight so that it hurts less but it's still something that's not to be done often.
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McNutty posted:I've been watching wrestling for work for a couple months now and I can see how they can pull punches for most of their moves, but what do they do to cushion or mitigate the pain of getting dropped onto a ladder during a ladder match? The old cliche "they know how to fall" is pretty much true as well. They learn how to fall so the impact is spread over a large area of their body, which lessens the chances of injury. Or so Mick Foley's book told me.
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Captain Charisma posted:And 2002. Momentum shifted after WM20. Strange what losing Kurt, Brock, Edge and Benoit can do to a show...
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DannoMack posted:The old cliche "they know how to fall" is pretty much true as well. They learn how to fall so the impact is spread over a large area of their body, which lessens the chances of injury. Or so Mick Foley's book told me. Of course, it still hurts like hell, but would otherwise hurt like super hell.
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McNutty posted:I've been watching wrestling for work for a couple months now and I can see how they can pull punches for most of their moves, but what do they do to cushion or mitigate the pain of getting dropped onto a ladder during a ladder match? Look at the 6 big ladder match wrestlers. Jeff and Matt? Well less said the better. Edge? Does not really work high risk style anymore. Same with Christian. Only ones that have careers that are not jokes Bubba and D'von? Just got fat
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