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Where are you guys finding out about TekSavvy cable availability? Just call them up and hope you get someone who knows? I'm going to be moving to London in a month or so and I'm curious to know what my options will be. My brother just moved to Ottawa in January and ended up going with 3web (I think?) because he couldn't keep waiting to hear when TekSavvy would start offering cable. It's extra lovely because I only just found out about EyeSurf here in Waterloo!
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CRTC's official statement: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2011/r110208.htm CRTC posted:CRTC to review billing practices for wholesale Internet services
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Feb 8, 2011 18:07
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Ornithoptometrist posted:Where are you guys finding out about TekSavvy cable availability? Just call them up and hope you get someone who knows? Teksavvy doesn't have cable here yet. It's been slow-going for them as its been costly to expand and Rogers hasn't been the most cooperative. They were estimating to be here by the end of 2009. They do have DSL here, including 5mbit down unlimited. You can keep checking their website every few weeks, but I doubt they won't be here until the end of the year: http://teksavvy.com/en/checkontariocable.asp
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Feb 8, 2011 18:24
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quote:as a general rule, ordinary consumers served by Small ISPs should not have to fund the bandwidth used by the heaviest residential Internet consumers
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Feb 8, 2011 18:49
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I submitted some pretty lengthy comments but I forgot to use an analogy involving cars and electricity so the CRTC will probably disregard them.
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Feb 8, 2011 18:50
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The Gunslinger posted:I submitted some pretty lengthy comments but I forgot to use an analogy involving cars and electricity so the CRTC will probably disregard them.
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Feb 8, 2011 18:51
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unknown posted:CRTC's official statement: It's already a joke since their fundamental assumption is completely flawed: "1. as a general rule, ordinary consumers served by Small ISPs should not have to fund the bandwidth used by the heaviest residential Internet consumers, and" "Bandwidth" isn't what's being being funded. You're mostly paying for the loving line, not bandwidth. edit: well that was fast. Guess everyone's reading at lunch 
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Feb 8, 2011 18:51
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teethgrinder posted:Why did they write, "of its own initiative"? When it clearly was not their own initiative. The government didn't actually do anything - they just threatened to do something. So technically the CRTC decided to do the review on it's own initiative. Kind of like how someone can point a gun at your head and say they'll shoot you if you don't do what they say. It's still your choice whether or not to do the task (you just might not like the consequences of not doing the task).
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Feb 8, 2011 19:03
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Ornithoptometrist posted:Where are you guys finding out about TekSavvy cable availability? Just call them up and hope you get someone who knows? I just emailed support@. It took them about two weeks to get back to me, but I think this whole UBB thing has them completely swamped - normally I get a reply within a day. Calling them would probably also work, in my experience their phone support has been unfailingly knowledgeable and helpful.
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Feb 8, 2011 19:08
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Ruklo Borosee already posted the proper link for checking cable availability: http://teksavvy.com/en/checkontariocable.asp (though sort of in a round-about fashion)
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Is there going to be a streaming feed of this afternoons meeting?
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teethgrinder posted:Ruklo Borosee already posted the proper link for checking cable availability: That only tells you if it's already available where you are or not, not whether they have any plans to deploy it in your area and, if so, on what timeline. The latter is what I thought Ornithoptometrist was asking about.
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Feb 8, 2011 20:07
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quote:1. as a general rule, ordinary consumers served by Small ISPs should not have to fund the bandwidth used by the heaviest residential Internet consumers So basically they are starting off with one of their fundamentals totally wrong, this doesn't seem very promising at all.
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Feb 8, 2011 20:15
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less than three posted:EST. Rescheduling my lunch for this, no way in hell am I missing this.
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Feb 8, 2011 20:20
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univbee posted:Rescheduling my lunch for this, no way in hell am I missing this. George Burger 
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Feb 8, 2011 20:31
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I hate that this sort of policy is entirely decided by individuals who have absolutely no knowledge about what it is that they are regulating. I don't think that Finckenstein is being deliberately malicious after seeing the last session, but rather I think that he is clueless and just taking Bell's word for it because he used to work with them.
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Feb 8, 2011 20:35
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Ornithoptometrist posted:It's extra lovely because I only just found out about EyeSurf here in Waterloo! Hello fellow Waterloser! You should check out Yak instead. They're on the same equipment but seem to be a little more legit than EyeSurf: http://www.yak.ca/exclusive/ Also, the Teksavvy support team indicated that K-W was one of the next on the list for cable so you may even consider waiting an extra month or two (or three).
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Feb 8, 2011 20:43
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EngineerJoe posted:Hello fellow Waterloser! Yak is Globalive, which is in turn Wind Mobile, so you at least know that they mean business.
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Feb 8, 2011 20:49
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ZShakespeare posted:Yak is Globalive, which is in turn Wind Mobile, so you at least know that they mean business. Yep, it all comes full circle. Yak is also willing to give you a better estimate as to whether you'll actually get on their DSLAM's versus EyeSurf. EyeSurf said I would definately be in range of the Columbia-Albert DSLAM whereas Yak said 'eh... maybe... probably not' I didn't end up switching to Yak because of that. I think my future is on cable.
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Thanks guys, that's all really helpful. EngineerJoe, I guess I'm not even that far from you, pretty close to that nearby King/Weber intersection so that might be bad news. But I'll tell my sister to look into Yak regardless!
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Feb 8, 2011 21:21
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Ornithoptometrist posted:EngineerJoe, I guess I'm not even that far from you, pretty close to that nearby King/Weber intersection so that might be bad news. But I'll tell my sister to look into Yak regardless! Some users put together a (somewhat outdated) map of Yak customers and their service level: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24077703-
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Feb 8, 2011 21:25
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univbee posted:Rescheduling my lunch for this, no way in hell am I missing this. This should be starting in 5 minutes right?
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Feb 8, 2011 21:25
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Man, this shows just how full of poo poo Terrence Corcoran is on this:quote:Exactly why Japan and some Northern European countries have seemingly cheaper and fatter broadband service is a question I cannot answer. Maybe there is less competition in North America -- or maybe there is too much regulation. Except that it ain't just Japan and Northern European countries, is it? It's every other country on the face of the planet. Except Australia. And even they're probably moving away from it. The saddest thing is that this is profoundly anti-business, but the Post isn't really pro-business in the first place; they're just water carriers for our minuscule selection of sectoral monopolists. (This is a hilarious misrepresentation of Japan, by the by. The government pretty much forced the telecoms to provide decent Internet service. Funny how that works.)
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Feb 8, 2011 21:28
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Is there a video stream of this one? All I can find is audio.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:33
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Streams are up now. http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=7272 There is no video - it's an audio only event.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:34
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Don't really need video. It's just a nice extra. Audio is perfectly fine for this and it's streaming live now.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:34
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TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS
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Feb 8, 2011 21:35
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Teksavvy guys are going to blow this whole poo poo wide open.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:36
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Primus is on now. I logged on now, someone was talking before, I'm not sure who. Basically talked about Canada's position with the OECD and emphasized that the UBB only made sense as a cash grab for Bell.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:39
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Well, that sucked. Five minutes should cover it!  edit: the primus guy is wasting our time. re-edit: wait, actually, he made a good point about handling their own damned bandwidth congestion issues.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:39
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What is the GAS rate that's being referred to here?
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I THINK this is the Vaxination informatique guy, this should be good. He sounds like he's on the verge of diving over the podium and dive-tackling a Bell exec. Keeping his cool, though. He's citing the Telecom act, talking about how the "last mile" works. lol "Bell Sympatico or whatever it's called this week." Now he's repeating what he's said in French. Ooh he's comparing internet and cost subsidies to an all-you-can-eat buffet. gently caress I think he got cut off at 5 minutes. The liberals have now made a ballsy statement by saying TV will be dead in 20 years. univbee fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 8, 2011 |
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PhancyPants posted:What is the GAS rate that's being referred to here? Gateway Access Service, its where the customer links at the CO and switches from modem/copper to a routable point on the internal network with the big telcos. For someone like Primus they use the copper/DSLAM at bell but instead of routing onto bell's internal network it links to Primus.
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PhancyPants posted:What is the GAS rate that's being referred to here? The Purple/Magenta section in this diagram. 
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Feb 8, 2011 21:53
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Gigagouge... good attempt at a catchphrase.
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Feb 8, 2011 21:54
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Hahaha, "How much does it cost to produce a Gigabyte?"
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Feb 8, 2011 21:54
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THANK YOU! Someone answered that looking at network pricing on a per-gigabyte basis made no sense, pointing out that nowhere in the networking world is connection priced that way.
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Last guy just made a good point about the congestion issue, if Bell is having a congestion issue why are they pushing their IPTV and why do they keep increasing their speeds.
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Also pointed out that congestion statistics are easily "fudged" if you just "happen" to do your congestion tests while one of your nodes or backend pipes is down.
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What I think is incredible about it is that you can buy a 25 Mbps connection with a 75GB cap. That means you get to use your connection at full capacity for less than 7 hours before you've used up your monthly cap. You get to use it for less than 1% of the month.
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