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I use a kind of filler/spackle that's meant for filling holes in walls and stuff. It's a bit sticky, so I squirt out a small bit, even it out around the base with a wet crappy brush that I don't care about and then put the minis in place. No need for glue for me. It's relatively cheap and you can find it anywhere.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:vallejo grey pumice texture paste (it's just paint with sand in it, to be honest) works well if you use it quite thickly. This is what you need, I used it to base my late war airborne & it is really easy to work with too. The only thing that you'll have to be careful with is that the resin fumes can be a bit much sometimes. I can drag out some pictures of what the end results look like if you want.
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I sometimes use Basetex, which is a cheap mix of sand, filler, glue and paint. Other wise I just stikc PVA down thickly around the bases and cover in sand. That usually does the job well enough for me.
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KongGeorgeVII posted:As in to build up the ground? What are other cheap alternatives? Elmer's makes a product called Carpenter's Wood Filler. It's like a clay that thins with water but doesn't noticeably shrink or crack when drying. It also takes paint and glue extremely well when dried.
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No Pun Intended posted:This is what you need, I used it to base my late war airborne & it is really easy to work with too. The only thing that you'll have to be careful with is that the resin fumes can be a bit much sometimes. This sounds pretty good, pictures would be great. I've heard before that spackle is pretty good too, so i'll check that out. It would be faster to go to a hardware store to get spackle, but if the vallejo stuff is good I might get it off maelstrom (  goon)
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KongGeorgeVII posted:I was just wondering, would it be stupid to use PVA glue to fill the gap of space between a FoW soldier's metal base and the plastic base the models are all put on? As in to build up the ground? What are other cheap alternatives? I used wood filler on my first Flames army and it came out really well. I've since switched over to Vallejo pumice, which I like a lot more. Essentially agreeing with the 2 posts above me. Other stuff: I played my first game of Warhammer: Legends of the Old West a couple of days ago. It's pretty amazing! I can't believe I missed out on this game for so long. Anyone else here still playing?
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I'm still looking for a copy. The description I heard was essentially "Mordheim with cowboys" and gently caress that sounds awesome. Bonus content: Here's some WIP Brits illustrating the 15mm v 20mm "15mm" issue I had earlier, on some bases done with the Elmer's wood filler
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That is a pretty spectacular difference alright.
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Being British, I guess they could maybe count-as hobbit riflemen or something. Here's a better shot of the difference between Minifigs' and Blue Moon's 15mm:
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Here are some pics of a stand of infantry from my Airborne. They are still undercoated because I am a slacker, but you can see the final texture of the Vallejo Gray Pumice.  Click here for the full 1005x742 image.  Click here for the full 1021x481 image. moths posted:Being British, I guess they could maybe count-as hobbit riflemen or something. Here's a better shot of the difference between Minifigs' and Blue Moon's 15mm: Is it me or does the "larger" 15mm soldier's rifle look comically oversized.
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moths posted:I'm still looking for a copy. The description I heard was essentially "Mordheim with cowboys" and gently caress that sounds awesome. That's a pretty apt description. I picked a copy up off of some guy on bartertown, but other than that, it's pretty hard to find outside of ordering it from England. I'll type up a couple of battle reports if anyone cares to read them.
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Legends of the Old West is actually better than that. It's the LoTR rules(best skirmish rules) with Mordheim's campaign system bolted on, and the expansions add rules for full armies, artillery and sieges among other things. It's the best skirmish game that GW's ever produced.
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That sounds loving great.
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It is. For some reason pretty much all of Warhammer Historical's output is great, and pretty much all of Games Workshop output is terrible, well apart from the decent games they stop supporting like Epic and Warmaster.
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I've been mulling over Legends of old West for a while now. These are all great, but are there any other manufacturers I should be looking at?
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uncle jimbo posted:I've been mulling over Legends of old West for a while now. These are all great, but are there any other manufacturers I should be looking at? Black Scorp's stuff is awesome! Reaper makes some pretty awesome cowboys, but not very many. Artizan has some awesome models including a "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" set. Also check out Knuckleduster. Their casts look a little rough, but they've got some OK stuff for a decent price, and have some really cool scenery. My posse currently consists of about 8 dudes from Reaper and a couple of ladies from Malifaux. If you're mulling it over, just jump in. The rulebook+minis for 2 gangs is less than $100, which is a steal in this hobby. We're having a blast with it, almost to the point that I want to get rid of a bunch of GW and PP stuff to focus more on skirmish level games.
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How big do posses normally get? I know in Necromunda my group we sometimes wound up with like 15, 16 strong gangs. 
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12-15 is the absolute maximum, depending on what type of posse you're running. We played our first game using $100 (half of the normal points) and had I think 4 models each. Depends on how you want to run it, really. I like a few heroes with 6 shooters and one guy with a rifle, my friend likes to kit every model out with a ton of options. I tend to outnumber him by a model or 2, but his guys are generally more versatile. Once we actually start our campaign, I'm sure this will change, though.
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Devlan Mud posted:Is this the FoW train finally?
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S.J. posted:Is this the FoW train finally? yep, first mockups.
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Looks like https://www.flamesofwar.com are updating each day with a slowly emerging train on their front page.
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There's a preview of Hail Caesar, a.k.a Black Powder! with togas, here: http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=10059 Also some insanely large tables keeling over at the weight of thousands of miniatures. I'm kind of looking forward to it now. I'm kind of intrigued about their choice to cut down a lot of rules and fidgeting with skirmishers by simply giving most infantry units a ranged attack to represent everything from pila to skirmishers slowing down opposing units. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 8, 2011 |
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Looks like a good game, although I don't have much interest in the period.
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I think it's awesome that this train is getting people amped to play the Polish. My awesomely mustachioed rode-his-horse-against-panzers granddad would be pleased.
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PeterWeller posted:rode-his-horse-against-panzers  Polish cavalry do not work that way!
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uncle jimbo posted:
I meant it in the general sense of he had a horse and the dudes who were trying to kill him had tanks, not that he actually charged a tank on his horse. E: Then he hid in the woods and blew up railroad tracks.
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PeterWeller posted:I meant it in the general sense of he had a horse and the dudes who were trying to kill him had tanks, not that he actually charged a tank on his horse. Your grandfather is a badass, nobody ever mentions the polish resistance, and they did tons to gently caress with the nazis.
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PeterWeller posted:I think it's awesome that this train is getting people amped to play the Polish. My awesomely mustachioed rode-his-horse-against-panzers granddad would be pleased. gently caress yes Polish resistance
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Devlan Mud posted:Your grandfather is a badass, nobody ever mentions the polish resistance, and they did tons to gently caress with the nazis. He really was. Sadly, he passed before I got to meet him, so all I have is my grandma's and mom's stories of how cool he was. Also, what's not mentioned about the Polish partisans was the treatment they received at the hands of the Red Army after helping them. Basically, my granddad was lucky as all gently caress to survive the war. My granddad on my father's side was also a bit of a WW2 B.A.. He had the first recorded AA kill of a ME262.
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Nobody likes the Poles.  To make it worse, my family were Polish Jews, but mostly they left before Hitler even took power in Germany (lucky for me!).
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Lord Commissar posted:To make it worse, my family were Polish Jews, but mostly they left before Hitler even took power in Germany (lucky for me!). Family war stories ITT. Some of my family were Polish Jews as well, and a couple of them left, but most did not. My grandad survived the war because he was captured during the invasion of Poland and spent the war as a POW (my Dad has postcards from him with a srs bsns stalag name stamped onto them) so didn't end up in a ghetto. The 40s didn't really go well for my family since I have a grandfather who was in a POW camp, various family who went to the other kind of camps and still another relative who ended up in the Gulag system for two decades. Trifecta!  Armoured trains are awesome, though. The nerd inside me always thought it'd be fun to have a model railway setup, so your tabletop battle had an armoured train driving round and round. Also, railway guns. edit: I guess this talk of Polish partisans has really derailed the discussion of armoured trains 
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I'm thinking of trying Legends of the Old West. How terrain heavy is it and how complicated are the rules? I assume since it's been said to be kinda like LotR they are pretty straightforward?
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Devlan Mud posted:That train haven't brakes.
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Devlan Mud posted:Your grandfather is a badass, nobody ever mentions the polish resistance, and they did tons to gently caress with the nazis.
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It's as terrain heavy as you want it to be, really. We've played with a rock and a cactus, and with a whole town. It gets better with more terrain, but still fun either way. Honestly, we've had a blast building stuff anyway. Check out a company called Fat Dragon for some awesome papercraft old west stuff. Rules-wise, it's not terribly complicated. I've never played LotR, but LotOW plays (to me) like someone took 40k/fantasy and took a bunch of counterintuitive stuff out of it. For instance, shooting in warhammer has always been "7-ballistic score=number needed to hit." LotOW does away with that pointless math and just gives you "shootin' 4+" as a stat. Little stuff like that goes a long way to speed poo poo up. Jarofmoldymayo posted:I'm thinking of trying Legends of the Old West.
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The Polish have historically been some of the hardest badasses ever. During the Napoleonic Wars, the Poles were released as an independant state from Prussia in 1807 as the Fourth Coalitions terms of surrender, although it had technically already been under independant control because of constant rebellion in the area. They proceeded to be Napoleons most dependable and tenacious allies. He said of them "these people know only how to fight!" As a politcal gesture, Napoleon ordered a regiment of light horse raised from Polish educated landowners to be accepted into his Old Guard. Count Krasinski had ordered them to be "armed with lances, in the Polish fashion", a mostly extinct armament by that time. They were drilled extensively and only the best made it, and unlike the French cavalry, the Poles were excellent riders and horsemen. They proved their worth immediately in 1808 on the road to Madrid. A Spanish force occupied a pass blocking the road, and Marshal Victor wanted to make a textbook play to dislodge them, by getting around their flanks on the high ground. Napoleon decided this would take too long and requested volunteers to storm the passes entrenched gun batteries, only to have the French cavalry driven back. So he ordered his escort, a squadron of the Polish lancers, to charge. Their major gladly accepted and the 150 cavalrymen charged into the fire of the first battery, forcing them to flee, then on to the second, third and through the fourth batteries. They captured all 16 guns (an incredible feat for light cavalry), and sustained around 90 casualties, including all seven officers. Most importantly they provided a breakthrough point and almost singlehandedly won the battle. Napoleon, stunned by the tenacity of the Poles announced that they were his "bravest cavalry". In 1809, the Poles checked the Austrian attempt to cross the Vistula over and over again, and while Archduke Ferdinand was busy being frusterated by the Poles, Prince Poniatowski crossed into Austrian-controlled Galicia, and was greeted by enthusiastic countrymen. While Ferdinand briefly occupied the Polish capital, he was forced to withdraw due to Poniatowski's romping in the countryside. Poland received a substantional tract after the war reuniting many occupied Polish lands. During Napoleons 1812 invasion of Russia, the Poles brought together 100,000 men, but the bulk of the forces were together in a corps under Napoleons mostly incompetant brother, Jerome. The individual troops did well but weren't given much oppurtunity to shine. N later said at St. Helena, his prison, that had he place Poniatowski in charge of the corps earlier, Bagrations army may have been crippled enough that the campaign would have taken a much different course (one of his greatest regrets was not trusting the Poles enough to just be badass Poles). During the 1813 German campaign though, Poniatowski was given what was left of the grand Polish army, and he immortilized the Polish effort during this war. Much of what is remembered about the greatness of the Poles is under Poniatowski, particularily his actions in the biggest and bloodiest scrap of the wars, the battle of Leipzig. The Poles were placed in the southern sector, the most important defensive position for Napoleon and the place most likely to be attacked first by the allies. The Poles fought tooth and nail, but were forced into a fighting retreat which cost the allies many times as many men as Poniatowski, whos continuous counter charges recapturing villages promtped the Austrians to deploy elite grenadiers to the area. Amidst the fighting the Polish guards captured the general of the Austrian II Armeekorps, who had on his person the plans and orders of the allied offensive, which was delivered to Napoleon. Napoleon decided mid-day the allied line was ripe for a counter attack, and had Marshal Murat lead 10,000 cavalrymen into the maw. Polish light lancers on the right flank of the attack came up against the heavy contigent of the allied cavalry, the Austrian and Russian cuirassiers. The Russian commander commented to his aide - "Napoleon has only Polish conscripts to face us!". The Polish uhlans, unarmoured and on smaller horses, blasted through the allied cavalry, and seeing their success, N fed his Guard dragoons into the fight to exploit the hole, but numbers were against them and the left of this grand cavalry attack had been routed so the Poles and French guards were forced to pull back. Like the infantry, they retreated, feinted and counter-charged the Austrian heavies delaying their advance, and allowing the French cavalry to rally behind them. Although ground was gained on the southern front, Murat, Augereau and Poniatowski had failed to pierce the allied line and the battle would go resume the next day. Day two was relatively quiet, with only a cavalry engagement and a massive Russian attack on a small Polish division that had been seriously depleted the day before, and retreated to a nearby village. On day three, the allies had now beefed up by 150,000 reinforcements, while Napoleon only received a tenth of that. The allies surrounded the French now and attacked simultaniously from all sides. In the south, the allies reached Leipzig proper and a vicious fight in the suburbs ensued with the Poles in front. Dabrowski, a divisional commander whos force was down to 20% of it's original strength, assured Napoleon he and his troops would die before they abandoned their position in the suburbs. Despite repeated attacks and French forces retiring constantly, Poniatowskis Poles kept the allied reserves of grenadiers and cuirassiers firmly on the other side of the Pleisse rive all day. Poniatowski was promoted to Marshal of France because of his valiant defence, the only non-Frenchman to receive the honour! Seeing the battle was lost, Napoleon decided to retire across the Elster river, west towards France, during the third night/fourth morning. The rearguard action was tasked to Marshals Oudinot and Poniatowski, who kept the retreat from Leipzig moving smoothly. Napoleon had planned to blow the main bridge over the river after his army was evacuated, however, the command was delegated down the chain of command from general to colonel to corporal, and the corporal, not knowing there was a time consideration on the detonation, blew the bridge at 1pm with French troops still on it, and the rearguard still fully on the other side of the river. Backs against the river, rather than surrender, the Poles fought almost literally to the last man. Some had made it across the river but most had stood, making the allies pay for every inch. Poniatowski led one final countercharge and received a bayonet wound in the chest, in addition to the numerous bullet holes he already had in him, and had his troops forced back into the river under the weight of the enemy. Poniatowski drowned along with many of his comrades, and his body was found with dozens of bullet holes among other wounds. Of the 10,000 Poles at the start of the battle, approximately 7,500 were killed, and almost every single one at least wounded in some way. TL;DR - Polish nation during the Napoleonic Wars composed of fanatical supermen who are only defeated by killing every last man. edit: Jesus that was a huge post. I would post pictures of a game of Leipzig but I don't have nearly enough minis edit 2: some neato pics of a huge game of Leipzig that makes me super jealous and is for some reason on the Flames of War site 
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Here's some Seleukids and other stuff i've been painting: Antiochos III Megas:  Antiochos IV Epiphanes:  Cyclops:  Galatian leader: 
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  Pity I don't really need to start another EW Army .
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