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RoboTiio
Dec 29, 2007
ointernet!
Got a question for the sound machine.

I'm freaking in love with the fluttering bass noises that Air gets on Moon Safari... It's really noticeable in Le Voyage de Penelope, voila: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompApz4IJMA

It's throughout the song, but at 0:15-0:20 you can hear it really distinctly, it's a big chubby bass doing crazy things to the rate. I have some basic idea of how it's being generated, but I'm not certain... It sounds to me like the modulation wheel is pointing at the LFO rate, but is there anything else going on in there I'm missing?

A buddy of mine suggested that it could be a Wah filter, and the parameter being modulated was the Wah rate. But I think it sounds like something going on in the synthesis itself, not an effect.

The thing is, the transition between the different rates is super gradual and precise, like its happening on a continuum instead of in quantized steps. So, an LFO rate, being modulated, set to a millisecond instead of a rate sync, maybe? I just thought of that as I was posting this (since I generally keep my LFO's on Rate sync, I had kinda forgotten about doing it in ms)

Anyway, I'm not looking to copy the exact timbre and pitch of the instrument, but what I really want is that subtle rate control effect... It's like a jazzier, classier precursor to the intense bass wobbles in dubstep. Now I'm wondering what the two would sound like in tandem. Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated, thanks ML.

(My synth experience and knowledge is primarily with Ableton, btw, if that changes the vocabulary of a response.)

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wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
Yeah it's an LFO on the Filter Cutoff, with another LFO controlling LFO1's rate.

iSheep
Feb 5, 2006

by R. Guyovich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjiS578Cuc&feature=related

I wanna know how to do the buzzy bass line that starts at 3:10, basically in love with the sound.

O. Henry O-Face
Sep 16, 2009
I'm trying to figure out the high-pitched whiny sound in this song, starts clearly at 0:08, and is evident through out the song. Is it just an envelope on the oscillator and then messing with a gate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOAMfUJ3tsc&ob=av3el

Sad Mammal
Feb 5, 2008

You see me laughin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKU2iS4OMq0 Warning: High-pitched noise

I'm not too sure where to start with this, but I love just about every sound in this, but I have no idea how to make any of them. I most enjoy the ghostly sound that fades in and out throughout (starts earliest at :22), but also the sustained notes in the background. I only know that, synth-wise, a Juno-60 and Roland SH-2 were used, but nothing beyond that. Any advice for someone completely unfamiliar with synths?

Faffel
Dec 31, 2008

A bouncy little mouse!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXjNB43WRBk#t=2m20s

I'd really appreciate a tip on achieving that ethereal piano/guitar noise that's playing where the link opens. I've fiddled around a bit (spent a couple hours) on my synth trying to get it (It's just a Yamaha CS2X) but everything either sounds too sharp or too airy - I can't get that drat balance to make it sound like a piano being played like a guitar or something.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Does anyone know a VSTi that creates a "rich sounding" piano like this one? Or maybe has a hint what sort of piano that is to hunt down samples?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j83fkclpsqE&t=28s

I'm trying to recreate that linked section. I think I've the notes set correctly now (with my almost non-existing knowledge about scales and chords), but what ships with Ableton is weak-sauce.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Combat Pretzel posted:

Does anyone know a VSTi that creates a "rich sounding" piano like this one? Or maybe has a hint what sort of piano that is to hunt down samples?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j83fkclpsqE&t=28s

I'm trying to recreate that linked section. I think I've the notes set correctly now (with my almost non-existing knowledge about scales and chords), but what ships with Ableton is weak-sauce.

It's got a bass synth layered underneath it, and it's also likely multiple piano samples layered over another, possibly a down tuned string/orch hit as well.

Never be afraid to layer multiple synths/samples playing the same part if you're looking for 'big' sounds. It's really easy to do these days in the age of VSTs and universal MIDI.

duckstab
Jun 19, 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqGEoqrN9w

While i'm not a particularly big d&b head, Ed Rush and Optical's tune 'Alien girl' has always bothered me - the truck-breaking-rapidly sound followed by a bassline that I can only describe as an obese man eating a lightsaber fight - any suggestions for how they achieved such a dirty yet melodic bass sound?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

HotCanadianChick posted:

It's got a bass synth layered underneath it, and it's also likely multiple piano samples layered over another, possibly a down tuned string/orch hit as well.
Thanks for the hints.

I think I have figured out what the piano is. I've been dicking around on the Native Instruments site, and judging by the various demos, it seems this might possibly be the New York Concert Grand Piano patch for Kontakt, because it has a similar rich sound.

http://nativeinstruments.com/#/en/products/producer/powered-by-kontakt/new-york-concert-grand/?content=1031

As far as that bass synth goes, relistening to it over and over, it seems like it's notes played two or three octaves deeper. I guess I'll be trying both.

E1M5
Feb 6, 2007
I understand it's a pretty basic supersaw (?), but how would I recreate the sound at the beginning of this song in NI Massive? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaWFabMNtA&feature=related

Thanks!

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.

E1M5 posted:

I understand it's a pretty basic supersaw (?), but how would I recreate the sound at the beginning of this song in NI Massive? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaWFabMNtA&feature=related

Thanks!

Unison, and turn on Pitch Cutoff. Adjust to taste.


Envelope designed for a stabby sound. If not gritty enough, perhaps apply bitcrusher and one of the tubes for effect.


Also, use saws.

Hanpan
Dec 5, 2004

I've been attempting to recreate the lead synth on this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQioZHYpvQ
(plays right at the beginning on it's own)

Any ideas?

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.
The bassey synth? That sounds like a tight, snappy one with perhaps a pair of detuned square waves and some quick envelope modulation of the filter for the "pluck". Probably an analog, as I hear the oscillators beating together slightly, and you can emulate that aspect using a sine or triangle LFO to slightly modulate the pitch :).


Quick attack, and low sustain for it to hang after the initial "pluck". Adjust decay to taste and give it a short release. I'd go somewhere between half and low cutoff, play with this a bit, enough resonance to -slightly- hear it, and a fast attack/quick decay on the filter envelope. Adjust decay/release to taste.


At least that's what my ears tell me. It very directly reminds me of the sounds I get from my Mopho.

Hanpan
Dec 5, 2004

Thanks for the info, it's a awesome sound and I'd love to play around with it.

David Pratt
Apr 21, 2001

Hanpan posted:

I've been attempting to recreate the lead synth on this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQioZHYpvQ
(plays right at the beginning on it's own)

Any ideas?

It also sounds like there's either a pitch envelope or a portamento too - when you hear the higher notes there's a definite slide up.

WAFFLEHOUND
Apr 26, 2007
Anyone know how to make the bassy whomp sounds that Vibesquad is so fond of? The specific sound I'm thinking of is the first wowowow sound in this song. I know it's probably an LFO wobble, I just don't know how to do poo poo and especially slow it down like it is. The main program I'm using for this Massive.

Noise Machine
Dec 3, 2005

Today is a good day to save.


Machines posted:

Hey I play bass and was wondering does anyone know how to re-create that 'post rock' style effect? I'm guessing lots of reverb, but am I wrong and/or anything else I should know or need?

Tremolo picking.

Gibberish
Sep 17, 2002

by R. Guyovich
The creamy 80's synth that starts around 0;15 in this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLRFkvjiHeo

Good lord I want some kind of patch for sythn1 with this, I could listen to it all day. I suspect it's two saw waves, slightly detuned, chorused, and possibly low cut, maybe with some resonance? If anyone knows of a way to achieve that sound, help a brother out.

Gibberish fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Feb 10, 2011

Crazy C
Dec 3, 2010
STOP LEECHING IMAGES, DICKFACE
I'm new to this and I'm using Reason so I'm still navigating my way through the synths etc, but I was curious as to what synth or patch or even setup to use when trying to get that pretty standard psy trance kick and flowing bass sound.

It starts at about 0:25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcG-GU1Fpk

Help would be much appreciated.

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.

Crazy C posted:

I'm new to this and I'm using Reason so I'm still navigating my way through the synths etc, but I was curious as to what synth or patch or even setup to use when trying to get that pretty standard psy trance kick and flowing bass sound.

It starts at about 0:25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcG-GU1Fpk

Help would be much appreciated.

Psy? Can do, I got into music due to the sheer amount of acid I used to eat and how much I loved Astral Projection.



Though mine was a tad bit.....dark. I miss having a real TB 303 but onto the main point here.


It's a standard 4/4 kick, and it's got a shitload of punch to it. BPM should be between 145-150, and you can get that from a bog standard 909 kick. More or less, compress it to let the attack punch through but snap on the body, and give it a quick release.


The bass is simple. Snappy saw wave with some filter mod :). Start with your saw. Turn your filter about halfway down, adjust this later to taste. Low pass, preferably of a steeper slope such as 24db. Thor would likely be your best bet for this sound, as it has things like the Drive which can really beef it up if you so wish.


Set your resonance very low if you use it at all, talking about maybe a quarter at most. This is up to you. The envelope should have no attack, somewhere between fast and halfway up decay, no sustain, and quick release, if you use any :). I usually do not.

Envelope modulation of about a quarter to a third of the way up, maybe less.


Amp Env is fast attack, no decay, max sustain, and release dependent on your groove. Adjust your release until the bassline "flows" the way you like.


As for the pattern?

KbbbKbbbKbbbKbbb


Three 16th/32nd notes between each kick. Lots of people do things like raise one of the notes an octave in each set of three, do things with portamento, etc. Also, a three semitone transition is not uncommon.

There's the basics. If anyone can explain this better, go for it :)

Early Cuyler
Jan 10, 2006

Fruit don't talk. Fruit just listen.
I'm trying to figure out how to get the sequenced synth sound at the beginning of this Goblin track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCcOpsJYkxk

It doesn't sound like a terribly complex sound, but I'm not quite sure where to start. I have a huge jones for this weird late 80's italo-disco/horror synth stuff, and I know a lot of it is done on early Ensoniq gear/CS-80s, but I'm not quite sure how to set my synths up in terms of the actual sonic characteristics, and, honestly, this is late enough that it might not even be analog synthesis but some digital thing, in which case I'm probably screwed. Can anyone help me out?

Crazy C
Dec 3, 2010
STOP LEECHING IMAGES, DICKFACE

KryonikMessiah posted:

Psy? Can do, I got into music due to the sheer amount of acid I used to eat and how much I loved Astral Projection.



Though mine was a tad bit.....dark. I miss having a real TB 303 but onto the main point here.


It's a standard 4/4 kick, and it's got a shitload of punch to it. BPM should be between 145-150, and you can get that from a bog standard 909 kick. More or less, compress it to let the attack punch through but snap on the body, and give it a quick release.


The bass is simple. Snappy saw wave with some filter mod :). Start with your saw. Turn your filter about halfway down, adjust this later to taste. Low pass, preferably of a steeper slope such as 24db. Thor would likely be your best bet for this sound, as it has things like the Drive which can really beef it up if you so wish.


Set your resonance very low if you use it at all, talking about maybe a quarter at most. This is up to you. The envelope should have no attack, somewhere between fast and halfway up decay, no sustain, and quick release, if you use any :). I usually do not.

Envelope modulation of about a quarter to a third of the way up, maybe less.


Amp Env is fast attack, no decay, max sustain, and release dependent on your groove. Adjust your release until the bassline "flows" the way you like.


As for the pattern?

KbbbKbbbKbbbKbbb


Three 16th/32nd notes between each kick. Lots of people do things like raise one of the notes an octave in each set of three, do things with portamento, etc. Also, a three semitone transition is not uncommon.

There's the basics. If anyone can explain this better, go for it :)

Sweet thanks man, will attempt this tonight.

Haledjian
May 29, 2008

YOU CAN'T MOVE WITH ME IN THIS DIGITAL SPACE
I was belatedly noticing how much of a difference in timbre there is between and MPD and an MPC:
http://soundcloud.com/thisispain/mpc

and wondering if there's a way to recreate that low fidelity sound short of selling the farm to buy an actual MPC. Would a bitcrusher work?

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.

Haledjian posted:

I was belatedly noticing how much of a difference in timbre there is between and MPD and an MPC:
http://soundcloud.com/thisispain/mpc

and wondering if there's a way to recreate that low fidelity sound short of selling the farm to buy an actual MPC. Would a bitcrusher work?

http://www.d16.pl/index.php?menu=203

Crazy C
Dec 3, 2010
STOP LEECHING IMAGES, DICKFACE
Is the 909 kick a patch? or does it have to be created?

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.
There should be some 909 samples in REdrum.

Crazy C
Dec 3, 2010
STOP LEECHING IMAGES, DICKFACE
Cool thanks, was looking in the synth subfolders I think.

hooptyjr
Dec 22, 2010

The future is in the past!
I want to know how to make the falling and pulsing cymbal-like sound at 4:36 in Strobe by deadmau5. The most I can figure out about it is some sidechain compression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKi9Z-f6qX4


Also, I want to know how to make synths have such a strong attack as the one at 3:08 in Dance Yrself Clean by LCD Soundsystem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoA0cTC228M

Transistor Rhythm
Feb 16, 2011

If setting the Sustain Level in the ENV to around 7, you can obtain a howling sound.

hooptyjr posted:

I want to know how to make the falling and pulsing cymbal-like sound at 4:36 in Strobe by deadmau5. The most I can figure out about it is some sidechain compression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKi9Z-f6qX4


Also, I want to know how to make synths have such a strong attack as the one at 3:08 in Dance Yrself Clean by LCD Soundsystem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoA0cTC228M


The deadmaus example is just a white noise tone with a medium release being ducked by sidechaining from the percussion. Super-simple.

The LCD is a simple synth patch - just two slightly detuned waveforms with a percussive envelope setting. Sounds like a classic sawtooth and pulse, slightly detuned. There may be some PWM on the pulse.

Popcorn
May 25, 2004

You're both fuckin' banned!
How do I create the ambient sounds the chap on electric guitar is making in this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJmI4mv5k8

Obviously it's some combo of reverb and delay but I've never managed to create an ambient sound as lovely as that.

breaks
May 12, 2001

The missing element is probably some form of envelope control, you have to take the attack off so you need a volume pedal, or adsr pedal, or work the volume knob. He has got a loop pedal of some kind going too. Aside from that it's just practice and experimentation.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004
Does anybody know how to make the noise at 0:41 in this song? I'm not sure how to even start something like that.

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
Sounds like a combination of a bass with a lion's roar

Computer Jones
Jun 22, 2005

edit: never mind

Popcorn
May 25, 2004

You're both fuckin' banned!

breaks posted:

The missing element is probably some form of envelope control, you have to take the attack off so you need a volume pedal, or adsr pedal, or work the volume knob. He has got a loop pedal of some kind going too. Aside from that it's just practice and experimentation.

Thanks. The envelope control is probably the missing ingredient.

Bag of Carpets
Dec 20, 2010
Does anyone have any idea how to create the tinny, punchy drum sounds that Beck uses on the track Walls? The sound (in that sample) comes in at around 0:04.

grayrobot
Jul 20, 2002

colour malfunction

Bag of Carpets posted:

Does anyone have any idea how to create the tinny, punchy drum sounds that Beck uses on the track Walls? The sound (in that sample) comes in at around 0:04.

That sounds like what happens when you take a fast sample and stretch it out over time, but don't lock your audio sample to the stretch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoGnQ7zMIBw

I think it sounds terrible and lazy but more and more people are doing it deliberately, like Beck there.

Popcorn
May 25, 2004

You're both fuckin' banned!
Anyone have any insight on how M83 processes vocals? I like that ethereal processed sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9yvItZAjfY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Pg-2LP76g

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Bag of Carpets
Dec 20, 2010

grayrobot posted:

That sounds like what happens when you take a fast sample and stretch it out over time, but don't lock your audio sample to the stretch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoGnQ7zMIBw

I think it sounds terrible and lazy but more and more people are doing it deliberately, like Beck there.

That's it! I knew I recognized that sound from somewhere, thank you. And I do know what you mean, but for some reason I like it as a hook in this song.

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