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Blackula69
Apr 1, 2007

DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  &  FACE  TO  BLACULA
Is the New York stadium in Jersey because of taxes, or something? I never realized until I lived there, but it's really far from NY proper. They couldn't put it in Westchester or something? Wasn't it in Queens before?

e: Oh yeah, Shea Stadium is totally in Queens. But what's the story?

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oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
Short version: Cablevision has rather feverishly fought off any attempt to build a major stadium/arena complex in Manhattan because they don't want competition for major concerts, boxing, and other special events that have usually been held at Madison Square Garden. Cablevision basically owns state assembly speaker and all-around corrupt rear end in a top hat Shelly Silver, and he's used his position to personally kill any stadium or arena projects, including the Jets West Side Stadium.

Blackula69
Apr 1, 2007

DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  &  FACE  TO  BLACULA
Oh right, Albany. I forgot. gently caress those guys and girls collectively.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."
I don't really think that the Meadowlands is particularly less convenient from the city than the Citi Field/former Shea site or the Westchester County Center, FWIW.

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

Smash route concepts

http://www.americanfootballmonthly.com/Arena/NS_Magazine/Current/smash.html

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
I hear a lot about how many carries an RB gets per game. What's considered high and low in this respect? I'd also like to know the same thing about QBs and passes. I've been trying to get a better understanding of how long it takes for these guys to get tired, and I'm sure this has a lot to do with it.

Pop Dog
Jul 11, 2008
For rb carries, just off the top of my head around 15 is on the low end of normal in a game, about 30 is the high end, for a one back team anyway. For a qb, 30+ passes is alot, but they don't really get tired. Brian Griese threw like 55+ times in a game a few years ago, their arm's don't really tire out. Its not like a pitcher in baseball.

Crowbear
Jun 17, 2009

You freak me out, man!

Pop Dog posted:

For rb carries, just off the top of my head around 15 is on the low end of normal in a game, about 30 is the high end, for a one back team anyway. For a qb, 30+ passes is alot, but they don't really get tired. Brian Griese threw like 55+ times in a game a few years ago, their arm's don't really tire out. Its not like a pitcher in baseball.

Peyton had a shitload of throws this season. He had 3 games where he threw more than 50 passes, and 7 others where he threw more than 40.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Yeah, I don't think there's any correlation to pass attempts and play regressing beyond teams that throw a poo poo ton do so because they're losing, but that's pretty much a chicken from the egg thing.

Blackula69
Apr 1, 2007

DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  &  FACE  TO  BLACULA
For RBs, 330 carrier is a big season and 400+ will run them into the ground. See: mid-2000s KC Chiefs

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Blackula69 posted:

For RBs, 330 carrier is a big season and 400+ will run them into the ground. See: mid-2000s KC Chiefs

There's also a belief in the "Curse of 370", wherein 370+ is the magic number of carries that makes a RB regress the following year. It's generally BS, there's nothing magical about 370 as opposed to 369 or 375 that makes it a breakpoint, but people talk about it as if it were.

hackedaccount
Sep 28, 2009

kyuss posted:

I'm tempted to shell out the $99 for a 2010 NFL Game Pass account.

Is anyone else using this? I wonder if the price will drop again after Superbowl, maybe someone knows about this.

Very late reply, but NFL Game Rewind completely owns (never tried the audio package).

The biggest down-side is that you can't watch it when live games are being broadcast (Sun noon to midnight, during MNF and Thursday night football). The Sunday afternoon games are almost always posted right at 12:00 AM on Monday. The games are the straight Fox / CBS / ESPN feeds with commercials and half-time removed. Games are broken down by play and you can skip around like chapters or scenes on a DVD and they even have a little DVR type button to rewind 5 seconds. Full screen looks great (to me at least) and I've never had any type of problems with the stream.

Assuming you don't have some other premium NFL package, $50 to watch EVERY game, EVERY week in HD on demand is a steal, highly recommended.

EDIT: And for the 2010 season the cost was $50 at the start of the season and that subscription was good until the playoffs started. Half way through the season they changed it to $25 for the remainder of the season (up to the playoffs) and you could still watch the previous weeks as well as all the games from 2009.

hackedaccount fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Feb 10, 2011

konna
Aug 1, 2005

Why is the NFL Combine in Indianapolis? Any specific reason why it's there every year?

nnnAdam
Jul 8, 2007

Strength in Numbers

konna posted:

Why is the NFL Combine in Indianapolis? Any specific reason why it's there every year?

I'm going to assume the central location (well, kind of) of Indianapolis, along with the dome, make it the easiest location for all the teams, players and everyone else to get to. You're going to need a dome to conduct all the drills at and it's the only dome in the middle of the country. I could be wrong though, that's just my guess.

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
Can anyone other than the head coach or QB call a timeout?

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Doppelganger posted:

Can anyone other than the head coach or QB call a timeout?

Any player + Head coach can call a timeout

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
Jeez, who did you piss off?

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

nnnAdam posted:

I'm going to assume the central location (well, kind of) of Indianapolis, along with the dome, make it the easiest location for all the teams, players and everyone else to get to. You're going to need a dome to conduct all the drills at and it's the only dome in the middle of the country. I could be wrong though, that's just my guess.

That plus Lucas Oil Stadium is known to have a very fast running track, which inflates (or deflates, I guess) everyone's 40 stats and makes them look better.

nnnAdam
Jul 8, 2007

Strength in Numbers

Dominion posted:

That plus Lucas Oil Stadium is known to have a very fast running track, which inflates (or deflates, I guess) everyone's 40 stats and makes them look better.

I had no idea about this part. That's really interesting actually.

Pop Dog
Jul 11, 2008
Lucas oil stadium is only a couple years old though, isnt it a much longer tradition than that?

bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

Dominion posted:

That plus Lucas Oil Stadium is known to have a very fast running track, which inflates (or deflates, I guess) everyone's 40 stats and makes them look better.

I'd heard it was considered slow but now I can't remember where hrm.

Satisfaction Guaranteed
Jan 17, 2001

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Something I always wondered, if the Green Bay Packers are owned by shareholders but the stock pays no dividends, where do the profits go?

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN

Satisfaction Guaranteed posted:

Something I always wondered, if the Green Bay Packers are owned by shareholders but the stock pays no dividends, where do the profits go?

From my understanding, it goes to city improvement. I could be mistaken however.

e- Also, back into the team.

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
Could someone explain the differences between various positions along a defensive line? Like, what is the difference between a 1-tech, 2-tech, 3-tech etc.?

sc4rs
Sep 15, 2007

This is what I think of your opinion.

color posted:

gaps are denoted as such
Line of Scrimmage

TE-(CGap)-Tackle-(BGap)-Guard-(AGap)-Center-(AGap)-Guard-(BGap)-Tackle-(CGap)-TE

Even numbers when you hear x-technique refer to a defensive lineman playing head up on an offensive lineman. Therefore, a 0 technique is a defensive lineman playing head up on a center, a 2 technique is head up on the guard, a 4 technique is head up on the tackle, and a 6 technique is head up on a TE. When you hear a "even number-I" technique, that means they're playing on the inside shoulder of the offensive lineman, or the shoulder closest to the center. Example: a 2-I technique is a defender playing on the inside shoulder of a guard. Odd numbered techniques are reserved for the outside shoulders of the offensive lineman, such as a 3 technique, which would be on the outside shoulder of the guard, or a 5 technique which is on the outside shoulder of the tackle.

From page 4 and an excellent explanation.

Wollawolla
Jan 15, 2007

Are you gonna smash my skull and breathe my blood-mist?

Satisfaction Guaranteed posted:

Something I always wondered, if the Green Bay Packers are owned by shareholders but the stock pays no dividends, where do the profits go?

Most of it goes back into stadium district improvement. The county voted for a .5% sales tax increase to pay for renovations when the stadium was being rebuilt a while back and thanks to the Packers the team has actually dumped into back into repayment that the loan and tax are going to be finished well ahead of schedule. They're also planning on doing an addition to the stadium grounds that's going to have a strip mall type set-up with restaurants and poo poo so they bought up a bunch of houses in the area for well above market value. I know they just built a new practice field so that they could hold more spectators and be safer for fans and motorists too.

I don't read their books or anything, but I'm sure they have a decent amount of money going into other aspects of the community as well.

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
I'm interested in learning more about runningbacks. I hear different labels like "powerback" and "every down back". Are there more than just these two? What qualities are most important to the different roles? Who would be good examples of these categories?

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Doppelganger posted:

I'm interested in learning more about runningbacks. I hear different labels like "powerback" and "every down back". Are there more than just these two? What qualities are most important to the different roles? Who would be good examples of these categories?

Every down backs are the guys that will get between 20-25 carries a game, and are usually a main focal point of the offense. Recently the single load running back has been kind of fading in favor of a running back by committee approach in the NFL, but guys like Adrian Peterson in Minnesota, LaDainian Tomlinson in San Diego, or Shaun Alexander in Seattle were good examples of this.

Goal line backs are usually much bigger than every down backs, and have a very specific purpose. Pick up short yardage, whether that means picking up a 3rd and short, or plowing into the endzone. Mike Alstott and Jerome Bettis were this.

Then there are specialty backs whom you bring out in certain situations. Guys like Darren Sproles, who are too small to be used as a primary back but is a very good receiver out of the backfield, for example, is brought out when the Chargers are in a third and long situation. I suppose guys like Brian Westbrook at this stage in his career would fit this description.

v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
A lot of times there's overlap among the terms, so "power back" and "goal line back" are probably just about the same. Their running style is to seek out contact and drive through it. "Scatback" and "third down back" are also similar, in that they're quicker, shifty, more likely to be used as receivers.

Basically if you knew Cleveland Browns' history, I could just say Kevin Mack and Eric Metcalf, and you'd know the two categories. Mack was all power and cocaine, Metcalf was all speed/quickness (and probably cocaine). That's why Browns fans will always remember "Metcalf up the middle" with bitterness and disgust: because you don't send that type of RB up the middle. Give it to Hoard or Byner or whoever else we had--the bigger guy. Let the two guys play the roles they should, stop with the "surprise" poo poo.

You'll still see teams do that sometimes, go for the surprise. Third and short, they'll bring on the power guy but fake the handoff to him and try to throw it to him in the flat, stuff like that. When it works, great, but I usually don't like teams trying to use players against their role. You don't once in a while put an LB on Andre Johnson just to switch it up; don't do it on offense either.

sc4rs
Sep 15, 2007

This is what I think of your opinion.

SteelAngel2000 posted:

Every down backs are the guys that will get between 20-25 carries a game, and are usually a main focal point of the offense. Recently the single load running back has been kind of fading in favor of a running back by committee approach in the NFL, but guys like Adrian Peterson in Minnesota, LaDainian Tomlinson in San Diego, or Shaun Alexander in Seattle were good examples of this.

Goal line backs are usually much bigger than every down backs, and have a very specific purpose. Pick up short yardage, whether that means picking up a 3rd and short, or plowing into the endzone. Mike Alstott and Jerome Bettis were this.

Then there are specialty backs whom you bring out in certain situations. Guys like Darren Sproles, who are too small to be used as a primary back but is a very good receiver out of the backfield, for example, is brought out when the Chargers are in a third and long situation. I suppose guys like Brian Westbrook at this stage in his career would fit this description.

In case you don't know what "running back by committee approach" is (I didn't for a while! :shobon:) it means that the team is using more than one running back during the course of a game in order to keep all of them less tired & better able to break off big runs when the defense gets tired in the 4th quarter. Usually in this scenario they'll have two different styles - the Patriots from last year were a good example of running back by committee, as they had Benjarvus Green-Ellis for most first and second downs, Danny Woodhead for most third downs, and Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor mixed in when they were healthy all over the place.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:

A lot of times there's overlap among the terms, so "power back" and "goal line back" are probably just about the same. Their running style is to seek out contact and drive through it. "Scatback" and "third down back" are also similar, in that they're quicker, shifty, more likely to be used as receivers.

Basically if you knew Cleveland Browns' history, I could just say Kevin Mack and Eric Metcalf, and you'd know the two categories. Mack was all power and cocaine, Metcalf was all speed/quickness (and probably cocaine). That's why Browns fans will always remember "Metcalf up the middle" with bitterness and disgust: because you don't send that type of RB up the middle. Give it to Hoard or Byner or whoever else we had--the bigger guy. Let the two guys play the roles they should, stop with the "surprise" poo poo.

You'll still see teams do that sometimes, go for the surprise. Third and short, they'll bring on the power guy but fake the handoff to him and try to throw it to him in the flat, stuff like that. When it works, great, but I usually don't like teams trying to use players against their role. You don't once in a while put an LB on Andre Johnson just to switch it up; don't do it on offense either.

Another example of this with a different team from a while back was the Giants - Ron Dayne and Tiki Barber: "Thunder and Lightning" (except Dayne sucked rear end)

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Captain Foo posted:

Another example of this with a different team from a while back was the Giants - Ron Dayne and Tiki Barber: "Thunder and Lightning" (except Dayne sucked rear end)

They keep trying to use the term still, with Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw.

And when it was Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Derrick Ward, they tried to sell it as Earth, Wind, and Fire.

Wollawolla
Jan 15, 2007

Are you gonna smash my skull and breathe my blood-mist?

Captain Foo posted:

Another example of this with a different team from a while back was the Giants - Ron Dayne and Tiki Barber: "Thunder and Lightning" (except Dayne sucked rear end)

I'm sorry that your team ruined an awesome running back with terrible scheme and play calling.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Wollawolla posted:

I'm sorry that your team ruined an awesome running back with terrible scheme and play calling.

Not my team :smug:

bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

I would like to know about linebackers.

1. I get that the MLB runs the show. What do strongside and weakside backers do in the 4-3? Is one more likely to blitz than the other? Obviously there are different systems, but give me an outline.

2. Are there standard roles for the middle guys in the 3-4? Do they tend to do the same stuff?

3. I know one 3-4 outside backer is usually a pass rush specialist. What does the other do?

Sorry if these are dumb questions...

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:



3. I know one 3-4 outside backer is usually a pass rush specialist. What does the other do?

Sorry if these are dumb questions...

For a 3-4, it really depends on what variant of a 3-4 your team is running, if it's an aggressive blitzing 3-4 or not.

The Chargers run a very blitz heavy aggressive 3-4 defense. Especially when Shawne Merriman was on the team, the two outside linebackers almost never fell into coverage, and would rush the passer 9 downs out of 10. The two inside backers were responsible for dropping into coverage.

If your team runs a 3-4 that doesn't blitz as much, it's more common to have one of the OLBs rush the passer while another drops into coverage.

SeamlessLink
Sep 21, 2004
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:

I would like to know about linebackers.

1. I get that the MLB runs the show. What do strongside and weakside backers do in the 4-3? Is one more likely to blitz than the other? Obviously there are different systems, but give me an outline.

2. Are there standard roles for the middle guys in the 3-4? Do they tend to do the same stuff?

3. I know one 3-4 outside backer is usually a pass rush specialist. What does the other do?

Sorry if these are dumb questions...

1. The strongside linebacker (SAM) is generally a bit bigger/stronger to help with run support (as the tight end is on the strong side). The Weakside linebacker (WILL) is usually a bit smaller and faster (he is more likely to cover cutback lanes) and the better pass coverage guy. This isn't the case will all teams but this is the "theory" behind them as I understand it.

2. The two middle linebackers in a theoretical 3-4 are the TED and the MIKE. The MIKE is the same guy as a 4-3 middle linebacker, with the same size/responsibilities. The TED is usually the biggest linebacker on the team, and his job is to get into the middle and take on linemen during run plays, essentially making him a "fourth lineman" for run plays.

3. I think SA2K pretty much covered this. In theory they're both able to rush the passer and have the other one drop into coverage. The theory is to confuse the offensive line on assignments and who they need to block, because it's not the same four down linemen coming for sure, every play.


Again this is a lot of theory rather than actual practice, and is based pretty much on a standard base defense, rather than a lot of the exotic stuff you can do, especially in the 3-4.

bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

Thanks chaps, that makes things much clearer.

some6uy008
Sep 2, 2004
After watching a few segments on ESPN, can someone answer why the NFL doesn't like QBs coming from a spread offense? What are the pros and cons of it and why isn't it heavily used in the NFL like it is in college?

Also, they keep talking about "foot work" what are they referring to, I thought that only matters if a QB has to scramble?

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bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

Who or what is an Elephant?

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