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Sorry if I missed this, but a guard was strangled in a prison chapel in WA. She was the only guard on duty at the time, WTF?
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quote:Sorry if I missed this, but a guard was strangled in a prison chapel in WA. She was the only guard on duty at the time, WTF? And once again our system of justice takes another victim. How many people have to die and suffer before something is changed. I hope she didn't suffer for long before she passed. I'd like to know whether or not there is a camera in the church recording so more light can be shed on the incident and what transpired before the strangulation. PTBrennan fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jan 31, 2011 |
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Jan 31, 2011 18:16
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DMBFan23 posted:Sorry if I missed this, but a guard was strangled in a prison chapel in WA. She was the only guard on duty at the time, WTF? The Power of Jesus was supposed to force inmates to behave properly and protect the guard.
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Jan 31, 2011 20:01
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VoidAltoid posted:It does make you wonder if the kid has some severe cognitive disorder, as at his age that would seriously gently caress up most kids. It could be some sort of sociopath-type thing, or he's developmentally disabled in some other way. Either way, he needs some help, not prison. You can tell by the picture that he's a sociopath. And as long as he gets help that ensures he never gets to be free again, I don't care what it is.
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Jan 31, 2011 20:43
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Napoleon I posted:You can tell by the picture that he's a sociopath. And as long as he gets help that ensures he never gets to be free again, I don't care what it is. How sociopathic of you. 
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Jan 31, 2011 21:05
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Napoleon I posted:You can tell by the picture that he's a sociopath. And as long as he gets help that ensures he never gets to be free again, I don't care what it is. If you can accurately diagnose people with a photo, you have a calling as a psychiatrist, preferably one who gives ritalin to 5 year olds who can stay still and read a book for 8 hours straight. If he is in fact mentally ill, he should be treated and kept in a locked facility until he is cured or treated to a degree that he is not a danger to society. If that never happens, then yeah, life. If that happens in 5 years, 5 years. Giving up completely on a 11 year old is too sad to fathom.
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Jan 31, 2011 22:20
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Napoleon I posted:You can tell by the picture that he's a sociopath. And as long as he gets help that ensures he never gets to be free again, I don't care what it is. I hope you are being sarcastic. We don't know if his parents were abusing him, if he has untreated mental problems, if he was being bullied at school, etc etc. I was abused fairly badly as a kid and I can say confidently that if someone put a weapon in front of me while my dad had the switch or choking me or headbutting me and all the other random poo poo he did, I probably would have fired. I wouldn't hurt a fly in general but pain and a lack of love really gently caress you up.
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Feb 1, 2011 21:58
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quote:I was abused fairly badly as a kid and I can say confidently that if someone put a weapon in front of me while my dad had the switch or choking me or headbutting me and all the other random poo poo he did, I probably would have fired. I wouldn't hurt a fly in general but pain and a lack of love really gently caress you up. Or it would just be self defense? Why do you have to be hosed up to defend yourself? If a person was physically assaulting me and I had a weapon, I'd do everything in my power to defend myself. People like to downplay physical fights like it's no big deal. Someone punching, kicking, head butting, etc. can lead to serious harm and long lasting medical problems whether the person meant it or not. I also believe it does real mental damage to be a victim of an assault, feelings of being powerless and a victim can cause serious mental trauma in my opinion. The simple act of physically assaulting someone means you wish to do them harm, how is the victim suppose to know when you intend to stop? You start physically assaulting me, I'm assuming you mean to take this all the way and so do I. You're not hosed up for shooting someone who's trying to physically assault you. You're hosed up for shooting someone who's doing nothing to you. PTBrennan fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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NY: GOP Senators join together to challenge the Census Adjustment Act, a bill passed last year to end prison gerrymanderingquote:"I raised doubts then, as I do now, that this is constitutional," said Sen. Mike Nozzolio, one of the Republicans on the task force. "We're reviewing a number of options, and we're analyzing what would be the most appropriate course to block this provision."
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Feb 6, 2011 04:39
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HidingFromGoro posted:NC college professors support giving prison inmates access to machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, and body armor? As well as extensive training in the use of military weapons/equipment, combat tactics, interrogation, battlefield first aid, and urban warfare; plus comprehensive insurance & medical benefits for them + their families- all at taxpayer expense? Old, but she was hardly a professor. She was a former deputy (I think) teaching some CJ poo poo at a rural community college, and she didn't support it as much as she didn't disagree with him like I did. Of course I could just be an rear end in a top hat, and she just let me rip into the guy for her. It should be noted that in the same class I had to berate a woman for saying we should get rid of things like weight rooms and libraries. I asked her if she thought inmates should just sit in bare concrete cubes. She said yes. That was an exciting day, too.
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Feb 7, 2011 04:46
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HELLO THERE posted:Anybody want to point me to a free PDF hosting place so I can post this? http://filesmelt.com/simple
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Feb 7, 2011 07:51
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HidingFromGoro posted:NY: GOP Senators join together to challenge the Census Adjustment Act, a bill passed last year to end prison gerrymandering CAA seems reasonable to me. The inmates are not constituents in those districts, so why should they be counted as such? The Republicans against this are the worst "representatives" I've ever seen. They aren't going to represent the prisoners who give them their power. So take that power away. It's based on false numbers.
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And lo, the great Beast slowly began to lift its massive, lulled eyes to the incessant rabble of Its own innards: Conservatives Latch onto Prison Reform quote:In the not-too-distant past, conservatives might have derided those concepts as mushy-headed liberalism — the essence of "soft on crime."
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Feb 13, 2011 20:26
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JMBosch posted:And lo, the great Beast slowly began to lift its massive, lulled eyes to the incessant rabble of Its own innards: Sounds like their core voting constituency is getting arrested too much in these economic times.
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Feb 14, 2011 07:56
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I'm trying find data pertaining to how wealth affects conviction rates. Does anyone have some links?
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Feb 14, 2011 19:34
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Zeitgueist posted:I'm trying find data pertaining to how wealth affects conviction rates. Does anyone have some links? It has a lot of stats that suggest that being poor makes you much more likely to go to prison. Nothing to shocking, but it has numbers. I don't think anyone has done anything with pure convictions. Honestly, in CA, the public defender's offices have win rates that many privates would do a lot for. The real value in being wealthy is in pre-trial and not being charged as well as sentencing. That isn't to say money can't buy a not guilty. OJ Simpson proved that. His defense team did something unprecedented. In felony in CA you have a right to a trial in 60d. This is almost always waved in serious cases because you can't get a defense in order that quickly. OJ did not wave his time waver. Instead, he hired a massive number of lawyers and experts and prepared a trial faster than the LA county DA. It meant that certain DNA testing wasn't done, witnesses weren't prepped and more. OJ won because he outspend the LA county DA. It was a genius strategy that could only work by being willing and able to throw millions into a defense.
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Feb 14, 2011 22:52
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Thanks for the information, but I'm looking for some online sources. I'm not necessarily thinking that public defenders have a bad win rate at trial, but more that you are far less likely to go to jail if you're wealthy than not. I know I've seen numbers for that, but I don't have any on hand.
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Feb 14, 2011 23:58
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Oops, doublepost.
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Michael Tonry is the pretty much the world expert on comparing and explaining prison rates between countries. He focuses more on the academic side of race and social/welfare policies, but you could email him asking for sources on income and prison, I'm sure he'd have oodles. Unfortunately off the top of my head I cannot think of any sources explicitly talking about income and prison rates. BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 15, 2011 |
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Feb 15, 2011 00:54
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Zeitgueist posted:I'm not necessarily thinking that public defenders have a bad win rate at trial, but more that you are far less likely to go to jail if you're wealthy than not. I know I've seen numbers for that, but I don't have any on hand. That is in the book. It isn't online, but it is in your library.
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Feb 15, 2011 01:12
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Zeitgueist posted:Thanks for the information, but I'm looking for some online sources. Here you go Jeff Reiman- a critical criminologist quote:Reiman argues three points to support his theory: Online study guide and resource center, with chapter by chapter exercises, for students and professors reading The Rich Get Richer & the Poor Get Prison The Rich (Still) Get Richer- Understanding Ideology, Outrage and Economic Bias  My copy is with Golden Lion Tamarin, when he's done maybe he can be persuaded to send it to you
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Zeitgueist posted:I'm not necessarily thinking that public defenders have a bad win rate at trial, but more that you are far less likely to go to jail if you're wealthy than not. I know I've seen numbers for that, but I don't have any on hand. If you're picked up in a county or state with a contract or list system, poo poo I hope you're rich.
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aside: There's an episode of the comedy quiz QI on iplayer at the moment, which has a segment on American prisons. As facts about the imprisonment rates, effective slave labour, 3 strikes, the racial inequality and other issues come up, Jimmy Carr, a comedian who relies on shock and outrage, briefly kinda breaks character and says "I'd very much like to say something hilarious, but something must be DONE!".
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HidingFromGoro posted:Thank you very much for that. Don't worry about sending me your copy, I'll find one on my own for my personal use. I originally asked for the statistics as part of argument with a good friend(I know, it's dumb), and I wanted to supply data through links. That book is more than I care to throw at the conversation, but I definitely plan on reading it myself.
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Fatkraken posted:aside: There's an episode of the comedy quiz QI on iplayer at the moment, which has a segment on American prisons. As facts about the imprisonment rates, effective slave labour, 3 strikes, the racial inequality and other issues come up, Jimmy Carr, a comedian who relies on shock and outrage, briefly kinda breaks character and says "I'd very much like to say something hilarious, but something must be DONE!". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU Check out the reaction shots of their faces when they learn that more black 17 year olds are in jail than in college, at like 2:15 or so
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Feb 16, 2011 01:36
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HidingFromGoro posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU The Bruce Western book I posted concludes that the only reason unemployment for non-College educated men went down in the 1990s was because so many of them were in prison. Basically, no jobs were added, just more of the growing population went to prison. It is dry as poo poo, but the numbers are scary.
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Feb 16, 2011 02:02
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Did he say 93 percent of domestically produced PAINTS? Made by prisoners? Jesus christ it really is like slavery all over again.
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Feb 16, 2011 16:35
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Stew Man Chew posted:Did he say 93 percent of domestically produced PAINTS? Made by prisoners? Jesus christ it really is like slavery all over again. Stand up for civil rights and buy foreign.
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Feb 16, 2011 16:55
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Stew Man Chew posted:Jesus christ it really is like slavery all over again. We need to call it this, openly. This is important because it is the naked truth. We solved the automation crisis by imprisoning everyone who became obsolete because the market could not support them any longer, but the market not only can support slaves, but its players gain power through acquisition of slaves. In the world of tomorrow, ditch diggers don't earn minimum wage.
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Stew Man Chew posted:Did he say 93 percent of domestically produced PAINTS? Made by prisoners? Jesus christ it really is like slavery all over again. This got me curious as to just how much domestic production prison labor accounts for. Anyone have any hard statistics on the percent of GDP that prisoner-made products take up, or similar info?
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baquerd posted:We need to call it this, openly. This is important because it is the naked truth. We solved the automation crisis by imprisoning everyone who became obsolete because the market could not support them any longer, but the market not only can support slaves, but its players gain power through acquisition of slaves. Amendment XIII to the United States Constitution posted:Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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Women in prison: Why Oklahoma leads the nationquote:For a $31 marijuana buy, Patricia Marilyn Spottedcrow got 12 years in prison, away from her four young children and husband and ending her work in nursing homes.
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HidingFromGoro posted:Women in prison: Why Oklahoma leads the nation People doing hard time for non violent offenses kills me. loving guys who embezzle billions of dollars get less time than non violent drug offenders. gently caress.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:37
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HidingFromGoro posted:Women in prison: Why Oklahoma leads the nation quote:When Spottedcrow was taken to jail after her sentencing, she had marijuana in her jacket. She pleaded guilty to that additional charge on Jan. 24 and sentenced to two years in prison and fined nearly $1,300. The sentence will run concurrent with her other conviction. Ouch. That happened to me. Went to the lockup to do 6 days for failing to pay a fine and forgot I had a couple of joints in my back pocket. Fortunately I found it before they did and flushed it the gently caress down the toilet. Scared the poo poo out of me though, as I had been patted down twice and somehow they didn't find it. Turns out I didn't have to do 6 days though, because the fine wasn't paid due to a clerical error (they lost my records for a while and couldnt accept the fine) and the screw took pity on me and called in a JP (Australian thing. Justice of the peace, casual judges who can be called in to police stations to rule on things like bail, fine violations, parole or warrants)
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Feb 22, 2011 01:46
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HidingFromGoro posted:Women in prison: Why Oklahoma leads the nation Jesus Christ. Seriously 12 years for loving pot? Even if someone is moving tons and tons of pot they shouldn't do 12 years. That is loving mad. Pot shouldn't even be illegal, but to go and give someone 12 years for selling a small amount of a substance no more harmful than alcohol is absolutely disgusting.
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HidingFromGoro posted:. . . . wait a sec.
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This is a weird question. How hard is it to break into a prison to free someone as opposed to breaking out of one?
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The French Army! posted:This is a weird question. How hard is it to break into a prison to free someone as opposed to breaking out of one? With zero help, you are going to need to be the world's luckiest man to get out, depending of course on the security level. Some prisons have day release work programs...
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