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Dyscrasia
Jun 23, 2003
Give Me Hamms Premium Draft or Give Me DEATH!!!!
Those glovebox cup holders are not quite as good as the wine glass holders in a Porsche 944 glovebox.

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CornHolio
May 20, 2001

Toilet Rascal
See, as the driver, I really don't need any cupholders. My passenger usually uses the ones in the front.

I just find it odd that BMW would put two 'trays' between the two seats in the rear, rather than two molded cupholders. I mean, what are they going to put in those trays?

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

Cigarette packs, I assume.

ozziegt
Jul 8, 2005

cool under pressure

Das Volk posted:

If I recall correctly your E46 doesn't hit peak torque until 3500, you better go trade it in right now for a CTS-V so you have enough displacement that you can lug the engine everywhere you go.

Umm, I wasn't being sarcastic. And yes I hardly ever let the tach drop below 2000 or so while driving, which is why I don't really understand the need for peak torque at 1200 rpm. Maybe you misread my post? I was agreeing with you.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

ozziegt posted:

Umm, I wasn't being sarcastic. And yes I hardly ever let the tach drop below 2000 or so while driving, which is why I don't really understand the need for peak torque at 1200 rpm. Maybe you misread my post? I was agreeing with you.

It's not a need, but it's nice with the right kind of engine. Have you ever driven a modern American-style V8? A 6MT Camaro or Corvette is spinning somewhere in the low 1000s in 6th at legal speeds, but they can still go when you get on the pedal. I kind of miss that from my old Fords, being able to cruise at 70 and barely hear the engine rather than the 3200 RPM drone my 325 gives me.

Regardless, if the car is tuned for the power delivery of the engine and you're in the right gear it shouldn't matter. My 325 does a top gear 60-80 just as fast (by the rear end dyno) as my Thunderbird did even with the completely different power curve because it's geared for what the engine likes.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I have two cup holders that pop out above the glovebox. I thought they would be crap, but they can hold a giant Whataburger cup just fine.

Xy Hapu
Mar 7, 2004

8ender posted:

You bastards should be thankful you even have cupholders up front. The most BMW was willing to do with the E34 was "the trough". I can fit a small Tim Hortons coffee in there safely:


Maybe BMW sells cupholder modules that fit in the trough? Some later e36's have a similar trough designed to hold various modules (cupholder, coin dispenser, ash tray). You can shuffle them around, which is kind of neat.

Naturally, the cupholders are still completely useless.

The Third Man
Nov 5, 2005

I know how much you like ponies so I got you a ponies avatar bro
My buddy's X3 has these awesome little things in the dash that you press and the cup holder pops out. I annoy the poo poo out of him because I end up poking them for the entire car ride, but they are really convenient since you don't have to have them taking up space unless you need them. Did any of the E46s come with those?

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

8ender posted:

You bastards should be thankful you even have cupholders up front. The most BMW was willing to do with the E34 was "the trough". I can fit a small Tim Hortons coffee in there safely:


Lucky. The e30 doesn't even get the trough. I learned to drive with one hand, switching from steering wheel to shifter when necessary. Luckily my commute is 99% highway after the tim hortons.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

In a few weeks it will be summer (I live in Texas) and I am the proud owner of a black 1998 BMW with Black Leather that spent most of it's time in SoCal.

I picked up some of those Meguiar's leather "cleaning and conditioning" wipes at the auto parts store for $10 which are ok, but the actual seating surface of the driver's seat is getting to the point where it looks like it might be forming a crack and/or start chipping in 6-8 months time, especially given Texas' weeklong 100+ in the shade June-September.

What's the skinny on leather care? When I google for Real Information, google just returns a bunch of lovely sites with people trying to sell me magic beansleather conditioner.

Is there some magical, 9 step, 3 week leather conditioning process from Zaino I need to know about? I don't think it's possible to return them to factory condition, but I might have a chance at factory condition + 5 years.

And B) Who still makes real, quality car wax? All I can find around here is carwax goo. It seems a hard wax like traditional turtle wax would be more durable. My dad used to use that stuff all the time but he passed away and now I can't find it locally anymore. I guess the goo is just that much easier to use?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Not much of a detailer, but you could try reading around here:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/

or one of the other subforums on there, you should be able to find some good information.

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

Hadlock posted:


What's the skinny on leather care? When I google for Real Information, google just returns a bunch of lovely sites with people trying to sell me magic beansleather conditioner.


Leatherique. End of story.

Sterndotstern
Nov 16, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

wallaka posted:

Leatherique. End of story.

This is truth. Spend the $60 or whatever and get the rejuvenation and cleaning kit. Personally, I'd recommend getting 2x as much cleaner as rejuvenator as you'll be using it more often.

Detailing 101:
The difference between a wax and a polish: a wax is something you put on top of your paint to protect it from the elements and bring out its natural depth and luster; a polish is something you do to correct scratches and swirls before you wax. On black cars especially, it is absolutely necessary to polish (preferably with a machine) to get a black, reflective shine.

Now let's talk about "waxes". If you live in Texas, wax won't do you much good. A black car in the sun can easily heat up to over 200* surface temp, and the wax will absolutely break down and lose adhesion to your paint at those temperatures, thus failing to provide protection against the elements (like bird poo poo). What you need is called sealant.

Sealant is a polymer that has a tighter bond between the paint and the protective layer. Good ones are made by reputable companies including Klasse, Jetseal, and many others. Many will claim to help "eliminate" scratches and swirl marks, but that's bullshit: only a machine polish can do that. What these do is sorta fill the fine scratches for a couple of days (or maybe even one wash cycle). Sealants can be built up in layers, basically forming another clearcoat on your paint if you're super anal about your car.

Finally, you can wax over sealants, but not the other way around. Sealants provide a baseline of protection against UV, bird poo poo, hard water, and any number of other loving menaces to a good looking black car.

Here's an example of a decent detailer doing a thorough job:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/19229-petrucci-detailed-1999-bmw-cosmos-m3.html

That poo poo takes all weekend (2.5 days) to complete by someone who has done dozens of them with thousands of dollars in specialized equipment. If you don't want to pay $250-300 for that kind of detailing (which will include an interior cleaning as well), I highly recommend you find a local detailer, ask what their rate for a machine polish and sealant is, and take a weekend to do the interior yourself. It is far easier to be thorough with cheap tools (basically water, microfiber and Invisible Glass with maybe some vacuuming thrown in) on the inside rather than the outside.

Sterndotstern fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Feb 15, 2011

CamH
Apr 11, 2008

Hey guys, I hope to be entering the exciting world of BMW ownership soon. I've long lusted after the E36 models specifically, but made the mistake of settling for a Lexus SC300 instead. Now I am getting rid of that car and I am searching for E36 M3's. I scanned through a few pages of the thread here and there, but can anyone point me to things that should make me run away from an M3? I know the cooling systems could be somewhat temperamental if not maintained, and some of the suspension bushings can prematurely wear, so besides that.

I'm basically only looking at 96-99 5 speed, two door, hard top models. I'm not opposed to light modding (I am probably going to do a race pipe, intake manifold swap, CAI, and tune) if that helps.

Sterndotstern
Nov 16, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

CamH posted:

Hey guys

Start here:
http://www.edgemotorworks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=55

Learn to use your fingernail to inspect a brake rotor. Bring a jack to any car you're serious about, get one corner up in the air and inspect the shocks (leaking = bad) and control arm bushings (unless they're polyurethane [usually red or purple] or the owner has receipts showing replacement, they're bad). Listen to the engine carefully, if it rattles it might need Dr. Vanos.

Next time I go shopping for another car, I'm going to create a photoessay: "How to inspect an E36-E46 BMW in 30 minutes in a parking lot"

I'd really, really consider going in with $1500 (minimum) set aside for post-purchase refresh.

EDIT FOR CONTENT FROM LATER IN THE THREAD:
---------------------------------------------

Sterndotstern posted:

My rule of thumb when considering any used BMW, especially E36s is: tack on no less than $1500 for parts to refresh the car post purchase.

The breakdown is as follows:
- $300 cooling refresh
- $800 shocks/springs/rear strut mounts
- $250 bushings: front control arm bushing (FCAB), rear trailing arm bushing (RTAB), transmission, subframe
- $150 alignment

If you go in expecting the $1500 expense, you won't be let down by the car. If you need someone to install all this stuff for you, and aren't willing to pay the additional cost of that, strongly consider another kind of car (Corolla, Civic, etc) that doesn't have the maintenance requirements.

This checklist has proven true on the last 4 BMWs we've owned. They were all >100k mile cars, though. Honestly, though, the checklist would apply to a 75k mi car, too.
Here is Edge Motorworks' (reputable Bay Area independent BMW shop) checklist:

http://edgemotorworks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=55

Sterndotstern posted:

kimbo305 posted:

I think it's hard to justify picking up a 150-200k mileage BMW _if_ there's few or no maintenance records for it. That'd be the problem for me, anyways. Granted, a newer car with fewer miles is no sure deal either. Just fewer records to be missing.

With $2500, you can pretty much address everything that needs addressing: a Bentley manual, cooling, suspension, bushings front and rear, fluids etc. Obviously you need to test drive the car before buying it, but the base mechanicals are really stout. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 15-year-old M3 with 10,000 track miles on it.

I've had a few E36s, and when I buy a car I always do the following: get a history report, get a few good pictures of it. If it's worth seeing, prior to test driving it, inspect the car with a pair of gloves, a jack, and a flashlight. Check for all the common issues underneath the car (leaking/blown dampers, worn bushings, bald/feathered tires, leaks from anywhere). Before you lower it down, wiggle the wheels to feel for play in the balljoints, then check the wheel bearings.

Check for a lip on the brake rotor edge. Then pop the hood. Check the radiator & the thermostat housing. Check the radiator overflow tank for coolant level, powersteering and brake fluid. Check the oil and air filter.

Then drive it and pay attention for any obvious issues with alignment, transmission, and engine. If any E36 - say, a 210k '93 - can get through this inspection, I say buy it.

Sterndotstern fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Feb 15, 2011

CamH
Apr 11, 2008

Sterndotstern posted:

Start here:
http://www.edgemotorworks.com/index...id=24&Itemid=55

Learn to use your fingernail to inspect a brake rotor. Bring a jack to any car you're serious about, get one corner up in the air and inspect the shocks (leaking = bad) and control arm bushings (unless they're polyurethane [usually red or purple] or the owner has receipts showing replacement, they're bad). Listen to the engine carefully, if it rattles it might need Dr. Vanos.

Next time I go shopping for another car, I'm going to create a photoessay: "How to inspect an E36-E46 BMW in 30 minutes in a parking lot"

I'd really, really consider going in with $1500 (minimum) set aside for post-purchase refresh.

EDIT FOR CONTENT FROM LATER IN THE THREAD:
---------------------------------------------


Here is Edge Motorworks' (reputable Bay Area independent BMW shop) checklist:

http://edgemotorworks.com/index.php...id=24&Itemid=55

Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. Now I have a list of things to look for to get some bargaining points while I'm out shopping.

Deceptor101
Jul 7, 2007

What fun is a project if it doesn't at least slightly ruin your life?

Sterndotstern posted:

Learn to use your fingernail to inspect a brake rotor. Listen to the engine carefully, if it rattles it might need Dr. Vanos.

Check for a lip on the brake rotor edge.

Where were you when I bought mine? Admittedly I've loved learning how to do control arms/bushings and the cooling system but it would have been good to look for.

A lip on the rotor edge means you need new rotors right? Or does it mean something else. Also as far as the vanos goes, what kind of rattle are we talking about? How insane of a job is Dr. Vanos if you're fairly handy and have a Bentley....

E: I should clarify I'm in a '99 e46 328i

Deceptor101 fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Feb 15, 2011

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Crustashio posted:

Lucky. The e30 doesn't even get the trough. I learned to drive with one hand, switching from steering wheel to shifter when necessary. Luckily my commute is 99% highway after the tim hortons.

Well the trough is the luxury you can only get with a high priced E34 5 series. Too bad about your E30, try not to burn yourself. :smug:

Sterndotstern
Nov 16, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Deceptor101 posted:

A lip on the rotor edge means you need new rotors right? Or does it mean something else. Also as far as the vanos goes, what kind of rattle are we talking about? How insane of a job is Dr. Vanos if you're fairly handy and have a Bentley....

E: I should clarify I'm in a '99 e46 328i

As you drag your fingernail along the rotor from inside to out, you'll feel for any undulations in the rotor that indicate heavy wear, especially anything at all jagged. As your finger approachs the outer edge of the rotor, you'll feel the lip created where the pad material doesn't abrade disc material away. You can easily gauge how deeply worn the rotors are, a significant lip is ~3mm. M3 rotors can't be machined, they must be replaced.

I don't know the specifics of the rattle, no car I've ever owned exhibits it but I've heard it at the track. It's distinct from lifter tick, but if you don't compare them side by side it's tough to describe the difference.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
I own one of these puppies so I figure I'll chime in.

CornHolio posted:

While my car is getting fixed, the dealer gave me a 2011 128i as a loaner, for free. Some notes:

- I've driven a 135i and it was stupid quick. The 128i also feels stupid quick. I would be comfortable daily driving it as long as I got the manual. The automatic isn't very good and the manual mode is a bit slow.

It's pretty good as a daily with the stick. Honestly, most of my commute is highway so it's not like I feel that I'm missing out on the power with the 135, and torque is available pretty low and the engine likes to rev. The 6sp manual is nice.

CornHolio posted:

- The car is very comfortable though the ergonomics are a little odd. Some of the buttons on the steering wheel are not clear as to what they do (though this woulod be solved by reading the user manual, of course) and the cruise control stalk cannot be seen behind the steering wheel without craning one's neck. Minor nitpickings, though.

I don't have an issue with the steering wheel buttons (I think you'd get adjusted to that in about a day), but I agree with the cruise control stalk. Some controls are difficult to see and hard to operate by feel. Also, in my typical driving position, the little light on the wiper stalk that tells you the rain-sensing wipers are on and off is screened by the wheel, so I have to crane my neck to see. Wouldn't be a problem if they handled snow better, but when it snows they sometimes don't work.

CornHolio posted:

- No cupholders in the backseat. I can understand only two in the front, but backseat passengers like to have cupholders. Instead there's large trays in the middle for phones or something.

Only one of the cupholders up front is actually functional, as well. The rear one is screened by the center armrest and is impossible to fit anything in. I use it for change and dirt storage.

TheThirdMan those little pop out holders are the most annoying thing on earth and they break if you look at em wrong.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The cruise control is easy to use once you get used to it. There have been several times when I've meant to slow down and end up flashing my brights. You just have to get used to it. I agree on the wipers though, it's annoying having to move my head around to see if the auto wipers are on.

Realjones
May 16, 2004

CamH posted:

I scanned through a few pages of the thread here and there, but can anyone point me to things that should make me run away from an M3?

This guy spends about 30 minutes going over the e36 m3 and what to look for when buying one (there are three parts). Definitely worth the time to watch if you are looking at buying one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Z7WrN-tSE

Lowclock
Oct 26, 2005

Xy Hapu posted:

Maybe BMW sells cupholder modules that fit in the trough? (e34)

When I bought my e34 540i, it came with like every accessory BMW made for it, including the CD changer, door pocket change holder, alarm, telephone, and cup holder. The cup holder just slides over the little lip on the console around the shifter on the left or right side of it and is held pretty much just by gravity. It doesn't stay on for poo poo the way it comes stock, but if you put a piece of velcro on the long side of the cupholder and the side of the console it works great.

E: This thing, BMW 82 11 1 468 721.

Lowclock fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Feb 16, 2011

squash86
Feb 25, 2005
Saving the world, one snack at a time...

Cojawfee posted:

I have two cup holders that pop out above the glovebox. I thought they would be crap, but they can hold a giant Whataburger cup just fine.

I have the same thing in my E60, but I can't stand them. They feel flimsy, and let the drink flop around way too much.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
I took my E46 cupholders out for a eurotray years ago and haven't missed it. I drink coffee at home and when at work and don't drink Big Gulps and other poo poo I've seen in people's cupholders and have a bottle of water in my backpack if I am suddenly dying of thirst on the interstate.

I will admit to having placed the occasional afternoon coffee in the tray in a pinch (with no problems I might add) - though with a 5 speed you have to be careful and slamming into it even WITH the fugly and useless cupholders.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

squash86 posted:

I have the same thing in my E60, but I can't stand them. They feel flimsy, and let the drink flop around way too much.

The ones in my E90 feel solid enough. And nothing can really flop around.

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh
I think the e36 cupholders are probably the best ones I've seen on a BMW - the spring loaded clamps work pretty well and the cups don't get in the way of the shifter.

I've definetely seen worse - the ones on my 98 civic really hated any acceleration. One day they decided my footwell wanted a sip of coke.

Mark Larson
Dec 27, 2003

Interesting...
My E46 cupholder is really nice. I say cupholder because although there are two, the aft one is blocked by the armrest. It fits a small coffee cup just fine though, allowing the armrest to come down. Great for a backup cup of coffee. v :) v

Oh, and there are no cupholders in the back. The armrest that flops out of the seat doesn't have any. WTF, BMW?

doogle
May 24, 2003

Mark Larson posted:

My E46 cupholder is really nice. I say cupholder because although there are two, the aft one is blocked by the armrest. It fits a small coffee cup just fine though, allowing the armrest to come down. Great for a backup cup of coffee. v :) v

Oh, and there are no cupholders in the back. The armrest that flops out of the seat doesn't have any. WTF, BMW?

My E82 has 1 cupholder under the armrest so it is useless, the one in front of that was replaced with the idrive knob. They included a cupholder that snaps into the center console to the right of the gear lever but it broke after its second use.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Sterndotstern posted:

This is truth. Spend the $60 or whatever and get the rejuvenation and cleaning kit. Personally, I'd recommend getting 2x as much cleaner as rejuvenator as you'll be using it more often.

This is what my driver's side seat looks like. 12 years old and 156,000 miles. The other three seats, I'm pretty sure have 8 hours of use between the three of them combined and otherwise the entire interior looks brand new. Does this look salvageable?





Sterndotstern posted:

Detailing 101: You live in Texas, What you need is called sealant.

Sealant is :words: help "eliminate" scratches and swirl marks

Here's an example of a decent detailer doing a thorough job:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/19229-petrucci-detailed-1999-bmw-cosmos-m3.html

My car's paint is pretty flawless, however there are some light scratches that show up on the driver's side under direct light. Is this something sealant can help with? If they can make the car look as good as in the link you posted for $300, where do I sign up?? Does he do headlights too?



And here's a reminder to myself why I dump money into this pit :unsmith::

Sterndotstern
Nov 16, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Hadlock posted:

Does this look salvageable?



Absolutely, just needs a thorough cleaning and it will look 1000% better. The point of the rejuvenator oil is to prevent exactly that kind of folding-wear on the leather, and to address those creases you'd have to buy a redye kit and spend a lot of time with the seat out of the car working on it. I'd clean & condition it, then leave it alone for now; if you happen to have a decent detail shop in town they'll be able to redye the seat back to brand-new for you once the leather is well-conditioned.

Hadlock posted:

My car's paint is pretty flawless, however there are some light scratches that show up on the driver's side under direct light. Is this something sealant can help with? If they can make the car look as good as in the link you posted for $300, where do I sign up?? Does he do headlights too?



Sealant can't help cover scratches (at least not much), but a couple layers of sealant around the door handles can prevent scratches. To get rid of the scratches will take a machine polish (a dual-action polisher or orbital polisher) and some polish. There are dozens of brands of polish, each with several different levels of cut and finish, so it's best to leave all of this to a pro unless you want to spend a lot of time doing trial-and-error somewhere inconspicuous.

The guy I posted is just one of the local Phoenix-area detailers. I would strongly recommend taking an afternoon and driving around to a couple of local detailers to get quotes, or let your fingers do the walking and call them to discuss their process and pricing.

Deceptor101
Jul 7, 2007

What fun is a project if it doesn't at least slightly ruin your life?

Sterndotstern posted:

As you drag your fingernail along the rotor from inside to out, you'll feel for any undulations in the rotor that indicate heavy wear, especially anything at all jagged. As your finger approachs the outer edge of the rotor, you'll feel the lip created where the pad material doesn't abrade disc material away. You can easily gauge how deeply worn the rotors are, a significant lip is ~3mm. M3 rotors can't be machined, they must be replaced.

I don't know the specifics of the rattle, no car I've ever owned exhibits it but I've heard it at the track. It's distinct from lifter tick, but if you don't compare them side by side it's tough to describe the difference.

I'm not going to touch vanos then. After reading up on it, I'm not experiencing symptoms, although at 168k I should be according to Besian.

As far as brakes go, does anyone have any advice on rotors and pads to buy? I love them, but half the e46fanatics community is so concerned with aesthetics that everyone recommends cross drilled. Once (If? :( )I deal with my rear diff mounts I will be tracking the car, so I'd like rotors that can handle it. There's a million companies who make rotors though. I'm actually measuring my rotors today, but I have a feeling I need to replace them.

Sterndotstern
Nov 16, 2002

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Deceptor101 posted:

As far as brakes go, does anyone have any advice on rotors and pads to buy?

Zimmerman or brembo blanks. Crossdrilled rotors are only good for hard parking, not really so much for the track (they tend to crack). For pads, you sorta have to decide between changing pads for the track (recommended) or having pads you can daily drive and drive to the track.

Dual purpose pads DUST. A LOT. Street pads can be delivered in a nearly dust-free compound; search the forums for recommendations.

Waroen
Jun 23, 2006
Fuck Jesus and Fuck Shoes!!
Just got a '05 530i and I live in the fine state of Massachusetts. I've never lived in a police state that requires front plates and the car doesn't have holes for them.

Is it worth taking to the dealer and getting holes drilled or should I just zip tie to the mesh under the bumper for the inspection and deal with it later?

I've seen the plate mounts that go on the tow hole but my OCD says they look terrible off center.

Deceptor101
Jul 7, 2007

What fun is a project if it doesn't at least slightly ruin your life?
Yeah I'm going to avoid cross drilled like the plague. Whats the thoughts on slotted? Only good if you have tons of money to burn? Better to spend the money on pads? What's the consensus on bimmerbrakes.com's stuff. Their blank rotors are much cheaper than I've been able to find zimmerman or brembo's. Perhaps I'm not looking at the right sites.

I'm definitely going to go with changing pads at the track too, it takes so little time.

e: Revmoo's idea is much better.

Deceptor101 fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 16, 2011

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta

Waroen posted:

Just got a '05 530i and I live in the fine state of Massachusetts. I've never lived in a police state that requires front plates and the car doesn't have holes for them.

Is it worth taking to the dealer and getting holes drilled or should I just zip tie to the mesh under the bumper for the inspection and deal with it later?

I've seen the plate mounts that go on the tow hole but my OCD says they look terrible off center.

If it's anything like my car, you can buy a replacement trim strip that will have the proper holes. I can't imagine yours is any different. Check Realoem.com.

Fermunky
May 30, 2003

The monkey is NOT impressed...

Waroen posted:

Just got a '05 530i and I live in the fine state of Massachusetts. I've never lived in a police state that requires front plates and the car doesn't have holes for them.

Is it worth taking to the dealer and getting holes drilled or should I just zip tie to the mesh under the bumper for the inspection and deal with it later?

I've seen the plate mounts that go on the tow hole but my OCD says they look terrible off center.

#27

VibrioCholera
Mar 7, 2003

Waroen posted:

Just got a '05 530i and I live in the fine state of Massachusetts. I've never lived in a police state that requires front plates and the car doesn't have holes for them.

Is it worth taking to the dealer and getting holes drilled or should I just zip tie to the mesh under the bumper for the inspection and deal with it later?

I've seen the plate mounts that go on the tow hole but my OCD says they look terrible off center.

I live in Illinois and my car was originally from Florida. It has no plate holes on the front end and I've never once been harassed by police for front license plates. It may really depend on how strict Massachusetts State Police or your local police are. I've never been bothered for them nor license plate covers.

Chances are if you are bothered it'll be a fix-it ticket or a non-moving violation one that can be solved by buying the proper piece and mounting the plate, going to court, showing proof you fixed it, then getting it dropped. That's the absolute worse case scenario.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
You could always just stick the license plate on the dash.

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Super Aggro Crag
Apr 23, 2008




And, of course as always, kill Hitler.


I live in Springfield, MA and literally hundreds of people drive around with the front plate in the windshield. The police here are generally chill though... if you're white.

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