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The Warszawa posted:To be fair, no. My ethnic group also isn't big on tacos. Pulled pork for life. Oh god I love pork. This weekend I had a brined berkshire bone in pork chop with a maple glaze. Medium. Oh god, it was awesome. Stop buying supermarket pork. I'm buying heritage pork from now on.* *With food stamps.
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It's 2:40 am and I'm drinking a beer and studying for the bar... while talking to my co-worker... who is still in the office and not going home anytime soon, if at all tonight. And I have sent my application out to over a dozen $30k admin type jobs this week because after getting my two weeks off, I have no desire to go back.
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HooKars posted:It's 2:40 am and I'm drinking a beer and studying for the bar... while talking to my co-worker... who is still in the office and not going home anytime soon, if at all tonight. You were so excited when you got that job  Edit: Well, goddamn 
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BigHead posted:You were so excited when you got that job I was excited to have a job - not particularly excited to have a job as a lawyer. I was actively applying to non-law jobs then too. Had an opportunity for an $80k/yr job at a large corporation in a paralegal type position and the female attorney said it just wouldn't be "challenging enough for me" - that still is just crushing to me, and I really hope stuff like that doesn't keep happening. I don't mind the actual work, but I am not a long hours person, especially when those long hours seem to come all at once for 30 days at a time and more especially when they seem wholly unnecessary and my billables aren't even good because it's long hours with a ton of downtime that I can't bill for. Add that to the fact that I'm making $35k less than market for a first year associate, and I work with people who think it's A-okay to yell and curse you out on a regular basis, and I can't deal. My co-worker makes it bearable because he's awesome and he also takes the brunt of most of the yelling. I, honestly, already have to shut the door and cry on occasion when it's midnight and I'm tired and somebody just starts screaming at me over absolutely nothing. I had a kidney infection and I was allowed one day off and was working til midnight two days after I was in the hospital, even though they saw my hospital note and I explained my illness because they didn't believe it was anything kind of serious. I've lost about 15 pounds since my job started - which puts me under the 100 lb mark. It just doesn't seem like it's really working for me.
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HooKars posted:I was excited to have a job - not particularly excited to have a job as a lawyer. I was actively applying to non-law jobs then too. Had an opportunity for an $80k/yr job at a large corporation in a paralegal type position and the female attorney said it just wouldn't be "challenging enough for me" - that still is just crushing to me, and I really hope stuff like that doesn't keep happening. hi i'm a ghost this post made me die
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atlas of bugs posted:hi i'm a ghost Here, I'll keep going even though instant messenger chat is frowned upon since people like depressing law talk: Sent at 3:07 AM on Wednesday Coworker: I had to stop that amendment project I am now doing something else I am really sad he was both yelling at me tonight while being totally puzzled about how any of the docs made any sense it was the worst so I got yelled at but didn't get a ton of help also due tomorrow... This isn't unusual. This is just normal talk at 3 am.
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Feb 16, 2011 09:18
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HooKars posted:Here, I'll keep going even though instant messenger chat is frowned upon since people like depressing law talk: E> Seriously that sucks. Hope things turn around soon.
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Feb 16, 2011 10:27
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If it's affecting your health like that you are going to die and really need to leave.
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diospadre posted:If it's affecting your health like that you are going to die and really need to leave. I will probably not die, I just need to not work 70+ hours a week for weeks at a time during periods of legitimate sickness - which I think is true of most people. But I can hopefully get the hell out of there at some point with a job lined up. The guy before me quit with no job lined up and is still unemployed, and I would like that to not be me again.
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HooKars posted:I will probably not die, I just need to not work 70+ hours a week for weeks at a time during periods of legitimate sickness - which I think is true of most people. I was coming to post this: http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/Product_11001_10050_100281 But what the gently caress kind of terrible place do you work at? Holy poo poo.
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MaximumBob posted:Thank you for reminding me that my job, which lets me take off almost whenever I want to, is objectively better than working at a law firm. Same! Woop!
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Feb 16, 2011 14:34
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HooKars posted:the female attorney said it just wouldn't be "challenging enough for me" I love how people all assume everyone wants a "challenging" career. Is it too much to ask for something where I show up, kick rear end, collect my money, and go home? If I want challenge I play Call of Duty on Hardcore Mode. Sorry for the double post, was not expecting Hookars' depress-o-thon. Hookars don't forget what I said about bar associations! Defleshed fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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Feb 16, 2011 14:38
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HiddenReplaced posted:But what the gently caress kind of terrible place do you work at? Holy poo poo. It's not the firm itself, just my little 6 person department where they're all crazy and hit 2600 hour billables.
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The Warszawa posted:Anna's. This post, the most correct of posts. Although Felipes Tacqueria in harvard square is right there and is not so much of a dropped from anna's that it is a bad second choice. E: in fairness we'll never compete in tacos with places where brown people actually live. But Annas and Felipes are definitely better than your chains of the world by a long shot. Not so many food carts outside of the Fenway area but the food trucks over by MIT are beloved by many. You're going to be FINE for food in Boston. Petey fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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HooKars posted:Add that to the fact that I'm making $35k less than market for a first year associate, and I work with people who think it's A-okay to yell and curse you out on a regular basis, and I can't deal. My co-worker makes it bearable because he's awesome and he also takes the brunt of most of the yelling. I, honestly, already have to shut the door and cry on occasion when it's midnight and I'm tired and somebody just starts screaming at me over absolutely nothing. I had a kidney infection and I was allowed one day off and was working til midnight two days after I was in the hospital, even though they saw my hospital note and I explained my illness because they didn't believe it was anything kind of serious. I've lost about 15 pounds since my job started - which puts me under the 100 lb mark. Leave. You're young, single and your health will bounce back as soon as you quit. "Settle" for less pay, even a lot less pay. I make $35k less than you, and I'm not a first year, so it can be done. My job before this one was a firm job that was much like yours. I lasted six months and quit - with a wife and two kids and no new job set up. Try the PD or DA, try Legal Aid, join the military (as an officer, not necessarily as a JAG) Pick a good sole or small practitioner and work for him/her for free to learn the ropes at the courthouse, the go out on your own. We're got a spot open for a drug court attorney, but that's another bar exam. Why are you killing yourself to help rich people move their money from one big pile to another, bigger pile of money? Just leave. caveat: The last time I was in the job market was 2002, and my first year was well before that. But what you're doing just isn't worth it. You are letting them destroy you, body and soul. They're not worth it.
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The Warszawa posted:Anna's.  HLS students never seem to leave the 1 mile radius emanating from the school down toward Harvard Square anyway  Tacos Lupita.
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joat mon posted:Why are you killing yourself to help rich people move their money from one big pile to another, bigger pile of money? In fairness, this accurately describes 95% of all available jobs in any market. But you can do it with a lot less stress on yourself!
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Defleshed posted:Same! Woop! Yeah, it was nice being like "Alright, gotta leave by three to go make a Valentine's Day feast. Gonna pack it in," and just heading home.
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Defleshed posted:I love how people all assume everyone wants a "challenging" career. Is it too much to ask for something where I show up, kick rear end, collect my money, and go home? If I want challenge I play Call of Duty on Hardcore Mode. Sorry for the double post, was not expecting Hookars' depress-o-thon. Also, Hookars, under 100 pounds? Please tell me you're 4'10". If you quit, please go off on someone before you leave. Jerks just get worse when no one calls them on their jerkness. Kase Im Licht fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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nm posted:Carnitas are Mexican Pulled Pork. Yeah "carnitas," I know them. There is no pulled pork but Cuban pulled pork. Also, if you want real Hispanic food, you're basically going to have to take the train into NYC. New Haven is surprisingly awesome for Central and South American food.
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HooKars posted:I was excited to have a job - not particularly excited to have a job as a lawyer. I was actively applying to non-law jobs then too. Had an opportunity for an $80k/yr job at a large corporation in a paralegal type position and the female attorney said it just wouldn't be "challenging enough for me" - that still is just crushing to me, and I really hope stuff like that doesn't keep happening.
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Thanks for all the replies. This stuff is just really depressing. I don't even have an associates degree and I make almost the same amount of money as my ex-GF's sister who has her law degree and passed the bar in San Francisco, CA. I only have a few thousand dollars in debt as opposed to the hundred thousand she has. I think a lot of people go to college with their parents paying and really have no idea or concept of what debt really is and how it will take control of a responsible person's life. After finishing all their school, they finally realize it too late.
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Daily Life posted:Thanks for all the replies. This stuff is just really depressing. I don't even have an associates degree and I make almost the same amount of money as my ex-GF's sister who has her law degree and passed the bar in San Francisco, CA. I only have a few thousand dollars in debt as opposed to the hundred thousand she has. I think a lot of people go to college with their parents paying and really have no idea or concept of what debt really is and how it will take control of a responsible person's life. After finishing all their school, they finally realize it too late. I worked full-time through college and had a full scholarship so I graduated from undergrad with no debt. Then I went to a good law school with an ok scholarship because, according to the flow-chart, that was acceptable and it was supposed to be fine. Now I'm going to graduate six figures in debt and...actually I don't know where I'm going with this, it kinda worked out for me...sorry, old habbits and all that.
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Daily Life posted:Thanks for all the replies. This stuff is just really depressing. To be fair, I had an awesome time in law school, I think my resume looks pretty good even if non legal employer's don't seem to think so, I graduated without any debt and have plenty in savings to quit now if I really felt I had to, and although my actual law career has been an absolute train wreck in terms of what I wanted vs. what I got, my jobs have been 6 figures+ and I've tried out different cities and met a lot of new people. On the whole, definitely not bad at all, I'm just sick of the people at this job. Also, I can't believe someone ever said property was fun. I know you took it back but god, I have taken it as a class, I have taken it for two bars, and I still had to give up learning all the terminology.
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HooKars posted:To be fair, I had an awesome time in law school, I think my resume looks pretty good even if non legal employer's don't seem to think so, I graduated without any debt and have plenty in savings to quit now if I really felt I had to, and although my actual law career has been an absolute train wreck in terms of what I wanted vs. what I got, my jobs have been 6 figures+ and I've tried out different cities and met a lot of new people. On the whole, definitely not bad at all, I'm just sick of the people at this job. Who was it that wanted to leave government employment for a law firm-type job to make more money to buy tvs? I hope you have read HooKars' last several emails and realized what an awful mistake you'd be making. Just because a person makes a lot of money (I'm going on the assumption that 6 figures is a lot of money, which in my opinion it is) does not mean they will be happy in that job.
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quepasa18 posted:Who was it that wanted to leave government employment for a law firm-type job to make more money to buy tvs? I hope you have read HooKars' last several emails and realized what an awful mistake you'd be making. Just because a person makes a lot of money (I'm going on the assumption that 6 figures is a lot of money, which in my opinion it is) does not mean they will be happy in that job. To further highlight WJ/Obamwitz's insanity, I would like to point out the fact that he actually makes more than HooKars. Edit: I said highlight twice and it looked weird. HiddenReplaced fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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HiddenReplaced posted:To further highlight WJ/Obamwitz's insanity, I would like to highlight the fact that he actually makes more than HooKars. Yeah and per hour he probably makes around 75% more.
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Moral dilemma: I talk to law students from time to time on OkCupid. On one hand, I feel like I have a duty to convince them to stop ruining their lives. On the other hand, I like getting laid. Thoughts?
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The Rokstar posted:Moral dilemma: I talk to law students from time to time on OkCupid. On one hand, I feel like I have a duty to convince them to stop ruining their lives. On the other hand, I like getting laid. Thoughts? gently caress 'em.
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The Rokstar posted:Moral dilemma: I talk to law students from time to time on OkCupid. On one hand, I feel like I have a duty to convince them to stop ruining their lives. On the other hand, I like getting laid. Thoughts? Neg them. Neg them hard.
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hookars please either help yourself or get help. seriously. E: if you're seriously that underweight i am extremely worried; please do something Feces Starship fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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The Rokstar posted:Moral dilemma: I talk to law students from time to time on OkCupid. On one hand, I feel like I have a duty to convince them to stop ruining their lives. On the other hand, I like getting laid. Thoughts? As long as you tell the truth after you're done, any other lies are forgiven. you'll have saved them $100,000-200,000 which is a lot of money for that. Hookars, you need some government employment ASAP. For civil they generally need 1 year experience (which you'll likely get before hating yourself, if you don't have it now(. Look at city and county attorney jobs. 40 hour work weeks. 3-4 weeks of vacation they actually let you use. Happy co-workers. Health benefits. And maybe a pension if they don't get taken away.
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nm posted:Hookars, you need some government employment ASAP. http://www.law.state.ak.us/department/jobs.html Alaska is always hiring a half-dozen AAGs!
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The Rokstar posted:Moral dilemma: I talk to law students from time to time on OkCupid. On one hand, I feel like I have a duty to convince them to stop ruining their lives. On the other hand, I like getting laid. Thoughts? Let'em lay where Jesus flang'em.
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Feces Starship posted:E: if you're seriously that underweight i am extremely worried; please do something Don't worry, I'm short, it makes me just slightly underweight for my height. It's really just the longer I'm gone, the more I hate the idea of going back. I am definitely considering gov jobs, higher ed jobs and am basically just applying away. Which is easy for me to do because I will do anything if it means procrastinating from studying.
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You could come work for South Mississippi Legal Services if you don't mind doing divorce work for people too poor to afford attorneys at a salary of $36,000 plus benefits. On the plus side, the cost of living is low and you get Black Spring Break.
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BigHead posted:http://www.law.state.ak.us/department/jobs.html Dunno if I can do civil. Maybe I can. Really don't want to take another bar and unfortunately, MN bar is on reciprocal if I took the bar there (I passed in).
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Stunt Rock posted:Black Spring Break. Huh?
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HiddenReplaced posted:To further highlight WJ/Obamwitz's insanity, I would like to point out the fact that he actually makes more than HooKars. Well, that patent examiner guy could end up with a pretty easy job if he's going into patent prosecution. It's pretty laid back depending on what area and what kind of firm you're looking for and the pay is better than the USPTO. Hell, I probably have even easier and more laid back hours than whatever he's described.
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Hours at mid-size patent boutiques are actually really good, and the pay for the most part is really good compared to other kinds of law too. A guy I used to work with is at one right now and his annual billable requirement is 1440 hours. I would kill a man for a billable minimum that low.
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