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WhyteRyce posted:NJO removed the "Minor alien threat/doomsday weapon of the week" routine and replaced it with a "Major Vong threat/Vong doomsday weapon of the week" routine. At least they were all related together in one large arc. Besides, the Vong only had one super weapon and it turned out to not even be a superweapon. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Feb 17, 2011 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:At least they were all related together in one large arc. Besides, the Vong only had one super weapon and it turned out to not even be a superweapon. Vong had blackholes popping up when or wherever they wanted, Vong warriors equipped with armor and weapons that could go toe-to-toe with lightsabers, the ability to crash moons down on planets, shapeshifters, unstoppable Jedi killing beasts, magical alchemy, etc. They were one big walking superweapon. I don't agree that it was related in one large arc. Yes, I guess since it was Vong related then it's considered one large arc. But a good chunk of that series is just bullshit filler and ultimately had gently caress-all to do with anything or even the next book/mini-series, so in that regard it was very much like the Bantam-era EU. The EU wasn't stuck in a rut before NJO because it needed something fresh, it was stuck in a rut because of lovely writers. The NJO just moved the EU to another rut, which was darker and more in-your-face. And I blame it for giving the green-light to cram a bunch of fantasy-novel bullshit into Star Wars. And so ends my monthly NJO rant WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 17, 2011 |
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Feb 17, 2011 04:46
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I understand that they wanted to give the main characters a "real challenge" with the Yuuzhan Vong but it just feels like the conflict is never resolved. It just seems to die after it was completely out of steam and almost seems like it was retconned out of existence. I know Legacy has the Vong in it but shouldn't these guys be everywhere? I remember reading the background about how they're rightfully despised and essentially live in secret enclaves but they conquered half the galaxy. Shouldn't there be some presence or contribution from them?
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Feb 17, 2011 05:08
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I understand that they wanted to give the main characters a "real challenge" with the Yuuzhan Vong but it just feels like the conflict is never resolved. It just seems to die after it was completely out of steam and almost seems like it was retconned out of existence. That's just one of the reasons why LoTF and FoTJ suck. They completely ignored a lot about the NJO and seem to be killing off all of the characters from it. Whether you like the NJO or not it is foolish to pretend it never happened as it was, you know, kind of a big loving deal in the Star Wars universe.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:33
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I understand that they wanted to give the main characters a "real challenge" with the Yuuzhan Vong but it just feels like the conflict is never resolved. It just seems to die after it was completely out of steam and almost seems like it was retconned out of existence. Somehow the extra-galactic invaders, who came in sufficient numbers to take over 2/3 of the galaxy, all settled on Zenoma Sekot and were never heard from again. For me the EU ends about 2/3 into NJO. I was down with the brushfire alien threats of the week because it is somewhat plausible that there would be small areas of the galaxy with aggressive, expansionist species. Tell those stories! I love reading about stuff happening in the Star Wars universe. I was down for the Vong invasion because it initially felt appropriately epic in scale and dire. Once Zenoma Deus Ex shows up there is no longer any point to anything.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:34
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I forget, did the magic planet do anything other than show up, go "hey guys!", and cause a lot of Vong to surrender? All I really remember it doing was showing up near Coruscant and letting Coran fly around in those pod things (but not letting him attack)
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Feb 17, 2011 05:37
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WhyteRyce posted:I forget, did the magic planet do anything other than show up, go "hey guys!", and cause a lot of Vong to surrender? All I really remember it doing was showing up near Coruscant and letting Coran fly around in those pod things (but not letting him attack) It went into orbit around Coruscant and wrecked havoc on the planet due to gravity stuff. Basically tons of Earthquakes and poo poo.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:49
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I understand that they wanted to give the main characters a "real challenge" with the Yuuzhan Vong but it just feels like the conflict is never resolved. It just seems to die after it was completely out of steam and almost seems like it was retconned out of existence. Dark Nest basically starts off with a montage of scenes where the characters all say how everything is back to normal and been repaired from the Vong war. You can basically hear Denning shouting at you through the text to pretend the NJO didn't happen. Because obviously everything after it was so amazing and frehahahahaha
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Feb 17, 2011 05:51
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They really should have written something that occurred during a reconstruction and reconciliation period instead of loving bug orgies.
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Feb 17, 2011 06:26
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Casimir Radon posted:They really should have written something that occurred during a reconstruction and reconciliation period instead of loving bug orgies. The Vong were supposed to disband and GTFO. Any hold-outs were supposed to be taken care of by the surrendered Vong. I guess the GA didn't really have to do much other than coordinate and maybe send a ship or two to oversee. But once the Vong left you pretty much have a bunch of uninhabited planets with nothing but a token GA ship or two to patrol the region. It would have been stupidly easy to write a series about the power vacuum in the region. Pirates, would-be warlords, businessmen, Hutts whatever. But then you'd have to not rely on whoring out the Big Three, again, to solve the problem and not relying on BIG, DARK, AND IN YOUR FACE to make it interesting.
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Feb 17, 2011 06:42
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I haven't read the books with the bugs (were they those swarm war novels?) and don't intend to, so could someone enlighten me on what this bug orgies thing is about? I'd google it but everyone knows how that would end.
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Feb 17, 2011 08:05
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I haven't read the books with the bugs (were they those swarm war novels?) and don't intend to, so could someone enlighten me on what this bug orgies thing is about? I'd google it but everyone knows how that would end. The Spacebugs have giant bug orgies. For whatever reason, the authors decided that some of the Jedi characters should get in on it (it being "giant bug orgies"). Giant Bug Orgies. Giant Bug Orgies
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Feb 17, 2011 08:07
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WhyteRyce posted:The Vong were supposed to disband and GTFO. Any hold-outs were supposed to be taken care of by the surrendered Vong. I guess the GA didn't really have to do much other than coordinate and maybe send a ship or two to oversee.
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Feb 17, 2011 08:09
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Slantedfloors posted:It's not a hard concept. But is it orgies for the sake of orgies or do they get some kind of superpowers out of it or something?
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Feb 17, 2011 08:12
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Der Luftwaffle posted:But is it orgies for the sake of orgies or do they get some kind of superpowers out of it or something? Giant Bug Orgies
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Der Luftwaffle posted:But is it orgies for the sake of orgies or do they get some kind of superpowers out of it or something? You're really best served by just checking out the Let Us Read Terrible Star Wars Books For You thread and reading Mahoshonen's read through of The Dark Nest. He's not quite finished the final book, but he's still updating and the bug orgies start pretty early on anyway.
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Feb 17, 2011 08:17
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Also a female character is referred to as a "bug slut".
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Feb 17, 2011 08:29
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I really hate how the bug orgies keep coming up in the newer books. I'm sure they were mentioned at least a few time in FOTJ.
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Casimir Radon posted:I really hate how the bug orgies keep coming up in the newer books. I'm sure they were mentioned at least a few time in FOTJ. Bug orgies are now as much a part of Star Wars as lightsabers, X-wings, and bottomless pits without rails around them.
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Feb 17, 2011 09:28
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DrWhom posted:It was Walter Jon Williams, the book being Destiny's Way. Apparently it's the only Star Wars novel he's ever written, I guess most of their regulars were feeling pretty burnt out during the marathon that was the NJO. Bonus picture: I'm going to choose to believe that he was being meta there. Writers hate superweapon du jour plots as much as the rest of us, right?
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Mooktastical posted:I'm going to choose to believe that he was being meta there. Writers hate superweapon du jour plots as much as the rest of us, right? A lot of authors rip on the contributions from the really bad ones. Stackpole's I, Jedi vs. Jedi Academy trilogy, Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology vs. the rest of the EU, etc. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 17, 2011 |
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Feb 17, 2011 22:32
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According to canon when and how does Han Solo die?
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SilkyP posted:According to canon when and how does Han Solo die? When George Lucas and his estate have enough money (answer: never).
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Feb 17, 2011 23:25
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SilkyP posted:According to canon when and how does Han Solo die? Authors aren't allowed to cover the death of the big 3. It's a rule from Lucas. The closest they've come is a comic taking place somewhere around 150 years in the future, and Luke is a Force ghost. But, unless I'm mistaken, the where and how of his death is never referred to. There's a non-canon comic about Han's death, but it doesn't count...and is stupid.
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Feb 17, 2011 23:35
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thrawn527 posted:There's a non-canon comic about Han's death, but it doesn't count...and is stupid. It's not stupid, it's awesome.
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Slantedfloors posted:It's not stupid, it's awesome. Han Solo/Indiana Jones crossovers are more canon to me than FOTJ
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Feb 18, 2011 00:22
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I can't decide if I like Chewie becoming Bigfoot better than getting crushed by a moon.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:34
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Casimir Radon posted:I can't decide if I like Chewie becoming Bigfoot better than getting crushed by a moon. For the answer to which is better, imagine Chewie teaming up with Indiana Jones to fight off a team of Nazi infiltrators who are trying to salvage the Falcon's weapons systems.
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Slantedfloors posted:For the answer to which is better, imagine Chewie teaming up with Indiana Jones to fight off a team of Nazi infiltrators who are trying to salvage the Falcon's weapons systems.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:45
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Imagine Chewie teaming up with Indiana Jones to break into a secret special vault where intellectual property rights are kept to prevent Lucas from making any more movies involving them. Now that's a story I'd get behind
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Feb 18, 2011 00:51
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KaosFactor posted:Imagine Chewie teaming up with Indiana Jones to break into a secret special vault where intellectual property rights are kept to prevent Lucas from making any more movies involving them.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:53
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Who would win in a fight, Indian Jones Nazis or A New Hope Stormtroopers?
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Feb 18, 2011 00:54
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Chairman Capone posted:Also a female character is referred to as a "bug slut". Which one 
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Feb 18, 2011 00:59
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who would win in a fight, Indian Jones Nazis or A New Hope Stormtroopers? Plus, the Nazis regularly beat the poo poo out of Indiana before he wins by sheer luck or plane propellers.
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Feb 18, 2011 01:02
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If Chewie teams up with Indy, does that mean Han teams up with Short Round?
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Feb 18, 2011 01:04
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WhyteRyce posted:If Chewie teams up with Indy, does that mean Han teams up with Short Round?
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Feb 18, 2011 01:04
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Slantedfloors posted:Han is actually dead at that point. Oh yeah
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Feb 18, 2011 01:06
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WhyteRyce posted:Oh yeah
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WhyteRyce posted:If Chewie teams up with Indy, does that mean Han teams up with Short Round? No, he just shoot Shia LeBeuf in the face.
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KaosFactor posted:No, he just shoot Shia LeBeuf in the face.
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