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Winkle-Daddy
Mar 10, 2007

Nissassa posted:

My wife just got a phone call this morning saying she was going to get arrested for defaulting on a payday loan awhile back. I'm pretty sure this has to be a violation of the FDCPA? What should I do about it?

edit: This is from a pretty shady bill collector posing as a law office I'd imagine.

This is a scam. Not a debt collection. To the best of my knowledge a bunch of folks from India purchased pre-paid phones and either hacked, or purchased personal information on a bunch of customers from another loan place. They will threaten you with totally illegal things and are generally rear end holes.

My friend stopped getting calls from them after he said the person they were calling for wasn't there and he was on a plane to India, something about scum of the earth scammers and the movie 'Taken' and he hasn't heard a word from them since.

For more info, google "office of law and investigation" and find lots of reports of this same thing that so far everyone seems incapable of fixing.

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Nissassa
Aug 28, 2003

Good? Bad?
I'm the guy with the gun...

Winkle-Daddy posted:

This is a scam. Not a debt collection. To the best of my knowledge a bunch of folks from India purchased pre-paid phones and either hacked, or purchased personal information on a bunch of customers from another loan place. They will threaten you with totally illegal things and are generally rear end holes.

My friend stopped getting calls from them after he said the person they were calling for wasn't there and he was on a plane to India, something about scum of the earth scammers and the movie 'Taken' and he hasn't heard a word from them since.

For more info, google "office of law and investigation" and find lots of reports of this same thing that so far everyone seems incapable of fixing.

Yeah it seems that way, going to talk to my bank while this is in pending.

On the phone with the police department, and come to find out the number she used to contact her was from Saudi Arabia. Wonderful that she used my account...

Anti-Hero
Feb 26, 2004
Two questions.

1) I had a debt collection agency hound me last year and I paid them off so I have a "settled in full" line on my credit report. I dispute it was an invalid debt but the creditor wouldn't agree with me and I caved rather than deal with it (big mistake). I read the OP and I'm wise now to paying for a delete. Now that it's after the fact am I screwed?

2) I just had my credit ran as I'm looking at buying a house and I have a collection from NCO financial open for "medical payment data". This smells like bullshit to me, should I call them up first or proceed directly to mailing them a DVL? I have no such knowledge of what this could be.

MikeRabsitch
Aug 23, 2004

Show us what you got, what you got

Anti-Hero posted:

Two questions.

1) I had a debt collection agency hound me last year and I paid them off so I have a "settled in full" line on my credit report. I dispute it was an invalid debt but the creditor wouldn't agree with me and I caved rather than deal with it (big mistake). I read the OP and I'm wise now to paying for a delete. Now that it's after the fact am I screwed?

2) I just had my credit ran as I'm looking at buying a house and I have a collection from NCO financial open for "medical payment data". This smells like bullshit to me, should I call them up first or proceed directly to mailing them a DVL? I have no such knowledge of what this could be.

1) You settled and disputed afterwards with the bureaus? I thought I read in here that you can try a dispute with the credit bureau's on the paid-in-full, and since the CA has been paid they may let it go.

2) I don't think you'll get much accomplished over the phone, and it's best to have a paper trail with that kind of stuff.

Anti-Hero
Feb 26, 2004

Knightmare posted:

1) You settled and disputed afterwards with the bureaus? I thought I read in here that you can try a dispute with the credit bureau's on the paid-in-full, and since the CA has been paid they may let it go.

2) I don't think you'll get much accomplished over the phone, and it's best to have a paper trail with that kind of stuff.

1) Well I disputed over the phone with original creditor, not the debt collector. Long story: I moved from one state and needed to cancel my gym membership. Gyms have pretty stringent and lovely contracts, and the only way to get out of it was to fax their contracted financial company a copy of my new driver's license and a letter of intent to cancel, and to pay some fee. I did all that, and never heard back until about 6 months later when they had sent me to collections because something got lost in translation. I sent the creditor a DVL and it was verified, but I disputed with the gym that I followed their cancellation procedures, but I had no proof besides "yeah I faxed all that poo poo in" and their records were contrary to what I said. Also, the cancellation fee never was debited from that account like it was supposed to, and I closed that bank account a couple months after I moved. My mistake for not confirming that things were ok on my end. It stressed me out so much I just cut a check to collection agency to make it go away.

Now I have this derogatory line on my credit that's dropped my score by quite a bit for the two agencies that it was reported to. Curiously both of these collections don't show up on my Equifax score which is thusly 750 while the other two are around 680.

2) I just went back into my paperwork for this whole collection mess, and I found a letter from NCO dated around the time as the above collection where they were collecting the same debt. Can a creditor sell one debt to two agencies? I now remember calling NCO and submitting them proof that the debt in 1) was paid, and never heard a peep back from them.

Thanks for any insight.

DontBurnthePig
Jan 5, 2006
Thanks for the thread. I'm getting ready to try and settle ~75K of credit card debt as well as letting an 85K house go. We attempted to file a chapter 7 bankruptcy, were advised by our attorney that we would qualify, and now we are about to be dismissed. (It's a long story, will post details if there is interest. Bad attorney + a Supreme Court decision after filing and before discharge.) We have the option to convert to a chapter 13, but do not feel that 5 years in a payment plan of ~$1100 is the best way to go. We have no assets beyond our house which we have vacated. We live in NC which is a no garnishment state (beyond child support, taxes & student loans). I don't really have any questions at this point as we are just waiting for our bankruptcy to be dismissed before we can move forward, but wanted to introduce myself...

squidtarts
May 26, 2005

I think women are intimidated by me because I have mean cartoon eyebrows.
I checked my credit report and I have a collection item from my power company when I lived in NC during college. I'm almost certain that the power bill was in my ex-boyfriend's name, but it's showing up on my report from June 2008. I moved out in October 2007, so I sent a dispute stating that fact.

They've never attempted to contact me about it. Should I just not be concerned until they do, and then dispute it if they do contact me? It's only for about $100 so I could take care of it and get a pay for delete if they ever do move that far. I'm only concerned about it because it's the only blemish on my credit and won't fall off until some time in 2013.

kstatix
Mar 20, 2006

Does anyone here have any experience with Lexington Law's credit repair services? They seem to be rated as the top in their industry. My girlfriend has been preparing herself to deal with some major credit issues she's been having and I would like to know if this is a viable option. She's looking to pursue the whole DV / PFD process, would a company like Lexington Law be just as good if not better at doing so?

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

kstatix posted:

Does anyone here have any experience with Lexington Law's credit repair services? They seem to be rated as the top in their industry. My girlfriend has been preparing herself to deal with some major credit issues she's been having and I would like to know if this is a viable option. She's looking to pursue the whole DV / PFD process, would a company like Lexington Law be just as good if not better at doing so?

A co-worker of mine used LL to repair his credit. It took about a year, but his credit reports are sterling right now. Went from a sub 500 to a 740 in about 18 months or so. It did cost him about a grand in fees though, and all of his debts were older which makes credit repair easier. Things that are still fresh are much harder to repair.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

DontBurnthePig posted:

Thanks for the thread. I'm getting ready to try and settle ~75K of credit card debt as well as letting an 85K house go. We attempted to file a chapter 7 bankruptcy, were advised by our attorney that we would qualify, and now we are about to be dismissed. (It's a long story, will post details if there is interest. Bad attorney + a Supreme Court decision after filing and before discharge.) We have the option to convert to a chapter 13, but do not feel that 5 years in a payment plan of ~$1100 is the best way to go. We have no assets beyond our house which we have vacated. We live in NC which is a no garnishment state (beyond child support, taxes & student loans). I don't really have any questions at this point as we are just waiting for our bankruptcy to be dismissed before we can move forward, but wanted to introduce myself...

Why didn't the Chapter 7 go through? If your in a no garnishment state just walk from everything and say gently caress it.

BusinessWallet
Sep 13, 2005
Today has been the most perfect day I have ever seen
2 months ago a real shady debt collector said they were going to sue me if I didn't pay them that day, demanded my checking account number and stuff. I told them I couldn't right now but I would in the future. They haven't sued me and I doubt the will, it's for a 700 dollar credit card. Although I'd like to pay it off, is there anything I can do considering that they threatened me without actually moving on the suit?

lapse
Jun 27, 2004

skipdogg posted:

A co-worker of mine used LL to repair his credit. It took about a year, but his credit reports are sterling right now. Went from a sub 500 to a 740 in about 18 months or so. It did cost him about a grand in fees though, and all of his debts were older which makes credit repair easier. Things that are still fresh are much harder to repair.

Do you have any idea what kinds of methods they used for him? Anything beyond what has been covered in this thread, in other words?

I have some negative items on my report, but they are all "paid in full", and already between 8 months to 2 years in the past. Since I paid everything off in full before ever seeing a thread like this, I feel ike I don't have any leverage to get anything removed.

When I put my data through a service like MyFico, it looks like it would take 2-3 years of paying poo poo on time to hit 740.

Just curious how results like that could even be possible.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

lapse posted:

Do you have any idea what kinds of methods they used for him? Anything beyond what has been covered in this thread, in other words?

I have some negative items on my report, but they are all "paid in full", and already between 8 months to 2 years in the past. Since I paid everything off in full before ever seeing a thread like this, I feel ike I don't have any leverage to get anything removed.

When I put my data through a service like MyFico, it looks like it would take 2-3 years of paying poo poo on time to hit 740.

Just curious how results like that could even be possible.

It's nothing that hasn't been covered on CreditBoards, the old Art of Credit site, or whatever other sites are hopping right now. You're paying it to make it their job. You can do it yourself, but its very time consuming.

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008

skipdogg posted:

Why didn't the Chapter 7 go through? If your in a no garnishment state just walk from everything and say gently caress it.

no garnishment states often let bank accounts get raided.

Keep your paycheck, but have no ability to write checks, pay bills is a big downer.

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

squidtarts posted:

I checked my credit report and I have a collection item from my power company when I lived in NC..

They've never attempted to contact me about it. Should I just not be concerned until they do, and then dispute it if they do contact me?
Is it still on your reports? If so, I'd try to get it off by disputing it. If they didn't respond to your first dispute letter, send them another CMRR and be sure to reference the first one you sent.

kstatix posted:

Does anyone here have any experience with Lexington Law's credit repair services? They seem to be rated as the top in their industry. My girlfriend has been preparing herself to deal with some major credit issues she's been having and I would like to know if this is a viable option. She's looking to pursue the whole DV / PFD process, would a company like Lexington Law be just as good if not better at doing so?
Legally, there's nothing they can do that you can't do on your own.

If your girlfriend wants to pay someone hundreds of dollars to write some letters, that's her prerogative I guess.

BusinessWallet posted:

2 months ago a real shady debt collector said they were going to sue me if I didn't pay them that day, demanded my checking account number and stuff. I told them I couldn't right now but I would in the future. They haven't sued me and I doubt the will, it's for a 700 dollar credit card. Although I'd like to pay it off, is there anything I can do considering that they threatened me without actually moving on the suit?
If you can prove it, sure. Did you record the call, and if so, did you do so legally? If you can't answer "yes" to both, it's really just your word against theirs.

lapse posted:

I have some negative items on my report, but they are all "paid in full", and already between 8 months to 2 years in the past. Since I paid everything off in full before ever seeing a thread like this, I feel ike I don't have any leverage to get anything removed.
The leverage is basically goodwill. Is there a chance that someday you'll come back and be a model customer? They'll probably play ball.

Otherwise, there's probably not much leverage for you (or someone writing on your behalf).

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Roundboy posted:

no garnishment states often let bank accounts get raided.

Keep your paycheck, but have no ability to write checks, pay bills is a big downer.

Not really, it's really easy to survive without a bank account. If you can't pay the bill at a local grocery store or Wal-Mart you can easily purchase a money order and a stamp and mail it in.

My sister has lived bank free by choice for over 13 years, she's never once had an issue from not having a bank account.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU
In some ways, the big debt relief companies can be even worse than doing it yourself (or having your lawyer/someone working personally with you do it) because once you're in their system they often just dump form letters at your negatives and often push their clients to settle when the possibility of a deletion is there if you keep going. Recently I helped a friend of my mother's take her credit from 478 to nearly 800 in about a year. LL quoted her something like $1500 plus settlement offers and a longer timeframe. I did it for her for about $250 and a big dinner at Topolobampo near the end of it. Either do it yourself or hire someone small to do it so you know you're getting personalized advice.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Thanks for all the advice in this thread!

I majorly screwed up my credit when I was in college, and paid off most of it without knowing about the whole PFD process.

I finally managed to look at my credit score again today, found my last 2 remaining charge off accounts, and sent off 2 PFD's. I had to speak on the phone to a lady at one of the recovery agencies I called in order to get my full account number for a medical debt that I owed 44 dollars on. When she kept trying to bully me to pay before giving me the information I needed, I asked her if her company (NCO) does PFD for accounts, she vehemently said NO, and said "paying it off in full is basically the same thing"., to which I laughed. I still wrote one and sent it anyway!

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

CubsWoo posted:

In some ways, the big debt relief companies can be even worse than doing it yourself (or having your lawyer/someone working personally with you do it) because once you're in their system they often just dump form letters at your negatives and often push their clients to settle when the possibility of a deletion is there if you keep going.
I can sort of respect the "We'll write letters and fix your credit" places, from a purely capitalist perspective. But the debt relief companies are loving staggering to me.

"We'll call everyone for you and instead of paying many bills, you'll make one payment to us that's slightly lower than that total. Most of the accounts will show that you settled, and we won't do anything to prevent that from happening. Also, we're keeping the first payment for ourselves as payment for our wonderful service."

Years ago, a co-worker was telling me all about how wonderful Christian Credit Counselors were (I think that's the name), and how she was teetering on bankruptcy before she "found" them. And almost as importantly, they were good Christians.

Several months later, she was nearly beside herself, because the company we worked for decided to update their background checks on us, and her credit was completely demolished. She had been given 60 days to get current with everyone, or she could resign (which was their way of tricking you in to not letting them fire you, so they could avoid paying severance and unemployment).

I offered to help and found that just about every tradeline she had was reporting 90 / 120 days past due, and smaller ones as settled. I suggested she call up the credit counselors to see what was going on, and as I had suspected, they hadn't been paying her bills. They were holding on to the money until she had "a substantial amount", at which time they'd pick an account they thought would accept a one-time payment for 20% less than the balance owed (which was steadily increasing across the board, due to late fees and interest).

She called them to drop out, but had to make another payment to them, because she signed a contract requiring 30 days' notice. In the meantime, I tried helping out with what I could, and we made some okay progress. But in the end, even if she was current with everyone, her payments were more than she brought home. So declaring bankruptcy was really the only practical solution for her, and any third grader should have been able to figure that out with just a cursory look at her budget.

I've heard pretty similar stories from other debt relief companies / credit counselors, and noticed that the Better Business Bureau automatically downgrades any company who is one. (reference: http://www.credit.com/news/experts/2009-03-12/settlement-companies-protest-better-business-bureau-rating-system.html)

sleepness posted:

I asked her if her company (NCO) does PFD for accounts, she vehemently said NO, and said "paying it off in full is basically the same thing"., to which I laughed. I still wrote one and sent it anyway!
Getting NCO to fold isn't that hard, especially on a debt that low.

And yes, NCO does PFD.

TWiNKiE fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Feb 21, 2011

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Before I put these in the mail (since it is a holiday and all), just wanted someone to glance at what I wrote (well, chose to use, basically copy/pasted from a template) and let me know if there are any terminal flaws,

"Dear Sir or Madam:

This letter is an offer to amicably settle the above account. It is not to be construed as an acknowledgment of my liability for this debt in any form.

I will pay your company the amount of $XXXX as full settlement of this account.

If you accept this agreement, I will send you a money order or certified cashiers check for the settlement amount of $XXXX in exchange for a full deletion of all references regarding this account from my credit profile and full satisfaction of the debt. This agreement is binding and will be void should you not hold up to your end of the agreement. Furthermore the debt will be deleted from my credit profile at all three credit bureaus, or the bureaus your company regularly reports to in the course of doing business.

If you agree to the above, please acknowledge with your signature and return a copy to me. Upon receipt of this signed acknowledgment, I will promptly send you a money order or cashiers check in the amount stated above.

Notice: This agreement is restricted. This is not a renewed promise to pay, but rather a restricted settlement offer only. By not signing below, you agree that the debt has not been renewed nor have any concrete written agreements been exchanged.

As granted by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, I have the right to dispute this alleged debt. If I do not receive your postmarked response within 15 days, I will withdraw the offer and request full verification of this debt.

Thank you. I look forward to resolving this matter in the best interest for both of our parties.

Creditor’s Authorized Signature: _____________________
Date:_________________
Name: ______________________
Title : _______________________

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

sleepness posted:

As granted by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, I have the right to dispute this alleged debt. If I do not receive your postmarked response within 15 days, I will withdraw the offer and request full verification of this debt.
Are you within your 30 days? Have you not disputed this already? If you are and you haven't, you should.

If you have, did they validate? Properly?

You basically want your letter to cover these bases:
*I dispute the debt (if you do).
*Because I want to reach an amicable agreement, I'm willing to pay $X
*In exchange for $X, I want you to remove the info from my reports. I'm not admitting it's mine.
*I also want you to agree not to sell the account. Once you get payment, the account's dead.
*If you agree, send me a letter signed by someone authorized to make an agreement.

Here's a sample, assuming you're within your 30 days and haven't disputed yet:

quote:

Collection Agency
123 Mockingbird Lane
Anytown, TX 00000

Re: Collection Account for Original Creditor
Account #: 00000xxxx
Amount: $XXXX

To Whom It May Concern:

I am in receipt of your letter dated <date>, alleging a debt in the amount of <amount> for account number <account>. This notice is to inform you that I dispute the alleged debt.

For expedience, I am willing to pay $YYYY if you agree to immediate deletion of this account from all credit reporting agencies and other third-parties who you may have disclosed account information to. The purpose of this offer is to have this item removed from my credit files. It is not to be construed as an acknowledgment or admission of liability for the alleged debt.

If you agree to the terms and accept this agreement, certified funds for the settlement amount $YYYY will be sent to <collection agency> in exchange for full deletion of all references regarding this account from my credit files and full satisfaction of the debt. As certified funds will be used for payment, there shall be no waiting period regarding the deletion of this account from the credit reporting agencies.

<collection agency> agrees to delete ALL information regarding this account as described above within ten business days following receipt of payment as specified above, and will not disclose the terms of this settlement with any third party. If contacted by any third party, including credit-reporting agencies, <collection agency> will not acknowledge that any settlement offer was made, accepted or executed and will, in fact, deny knowledge of any such account.

If the above terms are agreeable, please prepare a letter on your company letterhead agreeing to the same terms as the above settlement offer, signed by an authorized representative of <collection agency>.

Your response must be postmarked no later than 15 days from your receipt of this settlement offer, or this offer will be withdrawn. Should you choose not to accept this offer, please respond with full validation of the alleged debt, as required by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

Please address all correspondence regarding this account to:

Sleepness
567 Main Street
Anytown, NY 00000

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Thanks Twinkie.

Unfortunately, I am very well past my 30 days. The NCO account has been with the collection agency for about 8 months, and the other for about a year.

Does this hurt my chances of getting a PDF or change how I should go about it?

I just figured since they don't have to validate my debt by any means, I would just skip that and offer a settlement.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU
They may not have to validate the debt, but in my experience requesting validation is a good way to get even past-30 creditors off your back. I think a lot of the time consumers who show spine and even a casual understanding of the FDCPA get shoved to the "Don't bother with/re-sell ASAP" file and once some new sucker company buys your debt you can take a second crack at validation.

Friends of mine who I'm working with on debt repair have been seeing unprompted offers from some of the CAs starting at 45% or lower right now. The economy sucks and they're taking what they can get which means you're in the driver's seat in determining payment amounts and terms.

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

sleepness posted:

Thanks Twinkie.

Unfortunately, I am very well past my 30 days. The NCO account has been with the collection agency for about 8 months, and the other for about a year.

Does this hurt my chances of getting a PDF or change how I should go about it?

I just figured since they don't have to validate my debt by any means, I would just skip that and offer a settlement.
Take out the validation request, and the letter basically accomplishes the same thing.

Personally, if I was within the 30 days, I'd make them validate and do the dance to not pay anything. I see PFD's as a last resort. So, in this situation, you really don't have much to lose.

Edit: Or like CubsWoo suggested, see if asking them to validate spooks them.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Thanks both cubswoo and twinkie!

The letter went out using Twinkies template with a few modifications.

Here's hoping, since my credit can definitely stand to go up!

Anti-Hero
Feb 26, 2004
Sleepless, do you mind posting your letter edited for sensitive information? I have an NCO collection issue I need to deal with in much the same way.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

No problem. Toss me your e-mail and I'll send it when I get home from work.

Bookish
Sep 7, 2006

80% sexy 20% disgusting
I can't even tell you how many people file answers to lawsuits filed against them by credit card companies saying that they are working with a debt relief company. It doesn't make a difference.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Is it worth it disputing a debt that has already been paid in full but showing as a charge off in order to try to "get lucky" to see if they don't validate?

bootleg robot
Dec 8, 2004

TWiNKiE posted:

I'm kind of confused here...

Are you saying that you know for sure that the debt was purchased (not assigned) to a CA, and that both the CA and OC are reporting each month that you're not paying?

To be honest, I'm only assuming the debt was purchased because the CA now (NCO) trying to collect on this debt is different than the one trying to collect on the same debt several months earlier (Northgroup or something). NCO is not reporting to the CRA, only Capital One.

My question is how will any negotiations with the NCO help me if they don't show up on my file? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post, and thanks again for responding!

PoliSciGirl
Feb 22, 2010
Has anyone ever dealt with Vanguard? I have an account from a medical bill back in 06. Now because I was living in another state at the time and my father never sent me the mail and just waited to give it to me when I got home, it was sent to a CA in 07. I had thought I had paid it off but they called me in 09 and told me I better pay up and I did because I just wanted it out of my life. I tried to find out if it was actually paid in 07, but the office I wouldve paid the bill at was closed and moved to another city. I was using another bank at the time and called the old bank and they told me I would have to pay for all of my statements at $7/statement and I had 3 accounts. So, that's not an option.

As with any CA, I call and they are EXTREMELY RUDE and like to hang up on me. I asked if they could delete if I sent them money (this is after I paid) and they flat out said no.

Let me know if anyone has dealt with them and how to get past their jerk attitudes.

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

bootleg robot posted:

To be honest, I'm only assuming the debt was purchased because the CA now (NCO) trying to collect on this debt is different than the one trying to collect on the same debt several months earlier (Northgroup or something). NCO is not reporting to the CRA, only Capital One.

My question is how will any negotiations with the NCO help me if they don't show up on my file? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post, and thanks again for responding!
Do you know if Cap One has charged off the account or not? (It might say on the report you had, and should definitely say on a current report) My guess is that they have, which should give you tons of wiggle room with the CA du jour.

Having the negative tick on your report doesn't really change too much about a settlement agreement. In fact, it really tends to make them harder, because the CA takes the stance that they have something you want (the ability to delete).

The only tricky thing is that in a PFD, you're able to say "I'm not admitting anything, I just want that to go away." Crafting a letter that says "I'm not admitting anything, but here's some money to not say mean things about me" is a bit harder.

PoliSciGirl posted:

As with any CA, I call and they are EXTREMELY RUDE and like to hang up on me. I asked if they could delete if I sent them money (this is after I paid) and they flat out said no.

Let me know if anyone has dealt with them and how to get past their jerk attitudes.
This goes to the CRA:

quote:

Dear CRA,
My name is PolySciGirl, my SS # is xxx xx xxxx.

I am sending this dispute certified mail # xxxx to make sure you receive it.

I have no knowledge or records of account # xxxxx from xxxxxx on my report # xxxxx.

Please advise me as to the name and address of the medical provider, the date and type of service,and to whom the service was provided, as any account I might have had would be obsolete.

If you can obtain this information, I also would need the name of the person providing this data, and the manner in which it was provided in order that I may pursue additional legal remedies which may include a complaint against your agency to the OCR on HIPAA violations.

Please take notice that your Credit Reporting Agency falls within the purview of subtitle D of the ARRA , SEC. 13407(1) BREACH OF SECURITY.—The term ‘‘breach of security’’ means, with respect to unsecured PHR identifiable health information of an individual in a personal health record, acquisition of such information without the authorization of the individual.

You are therefore now subject to the jurisdiction of the OCR for HIPAA violations,and the penalty rules of the HITECH Act as issued 11/30/2009.

Very truly yours,

xxxxxx
They will either respond with "Okay, we deleted it" or "The name of the CA is...".

If they come back with CA information, send something like this to the CA:

quote:

PoliSciGirl
123 Your Street Address
Your City, ST 01234

ABC Collections
123 NotOnYourLife Ave
Chicago, IL

Date: _________ CMRR#____________

Re: Acct # XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX

To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is being sent to you in response to your recent verification of an unknown medical account on my (name of CRA) report"

This is a notice that your reported claim is disputed.

Under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (FDCPA), I have the right to request validation of the debt. I am requesting proof that I am indeed the party you are reporting on this debt, and there was some contractual obligation which was binding on me to pay this debt.

Please attach copies of:

1) Agreement with your client that granted you the authority to collect on this alleged debt, or proof of acquisition by purchase or assignment. and authorization under subtitle D of the ARRA, SEC. 13401. APPLICATION OF SECURITY PROVISIONS AND PENALTIES TO BUSINESS ASSOCIATES OF COVERED ENTITIES; and SEC. 13407(1) BREACH OF SECURITY.—The term ‘‘breach of security’’ means, with respect to unsecured PHR identifiable health information of an individual in a personal health record, acquisition of such information without the authorization of the individual. Please note that the effective enforcement of penalties against you is under the penalty rules of the HITECH Act as issued 11/30/2009..

2) Agreement that bears the signature of the alleged debtor wherein he or she agreed to pay the creditor and as this is a medical account a copy of any HIPAA authorization.

Be advised that this letter is not only a formal dispute, but a request that you cease and desist any and all reporting activities.

I am requesting a complete withdrawal, in writing, of any report to any credit reporting agency. I reserve the right to file charges and/or complaints with the OCR on HIPAA violations and appropriate County, State & Federal authorities, the BBB, State Bar Associations for violations of the FDCPA, FCRA, and Federal and State statutes as well as (name of your State) medical privacy rules as applicable.

This notice is not intended to waive or otherwise limit rights I may have to seek and recover damages through a civil action or other legal means available.

Sincerely,
Your Name

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Cubswoo/twinkie, great info in the thread.

Was talking with a co-worker today - apparently he was denied credit for a car loan, I kinda pressed him on it. We helped the dude pull his credit score and it was abysmal (mid 500s) and want to help him out..

Figured I would ask for advice on his behalf.

From what I know, he's 24 years old (if that helps), has 6 debts stemming from uni. If it helps, All of these occurred in the state of Maryland.

1 > 1 from 2007, $800 some bill from tmobile.. he has gotten a letter one or twice from someone named "Kay" and is a lawyer (google tells me this guy is Law offices of Kay in NY? basically a junk debt buyer who actually isnt even a lawyer i think. tons of poo poo reviews)

2 > 1 from 2007, ~ $ 1200, reported by FCO (Fair Collections & Outsourcing, google tells me it's in baltimore. no mentions on whether they're lovely or honest guys) - rent that he claims he paid but landlord was trying to stiff him out of the deposit. he did not receive any notice from them, but disputed this information in 2008 but only got vague letters of verification (not validation)

3 > 1 from 2007, ~$40, handled by Sunrise, about a cable bill dispute - he disputed these and the company sent him a letter saying they cant verify, and have took it off experian & equifax.. however, it still shows up on transunion

4 > 1 from 2008 (also from FCO), for about $12k also breaking a lease (rent was too drat high apparently). Different rental company from the one above, though. They also want a full years worth of rent payments even though he terminated it two months prior to the end of lease

5 > 1 credit card from BOA - revolving limit of 500, balance is always paid off in full every month but is not a secured card.. BOA just seems to refuse to increase his limit. he is current on this

6 > 1 older car debt which was just paid off



I guess his issues are #s 1, 2 & 4. He is in a better financial straight to pay off his debts now, & # 1 seems easy enough to send a DV letter to - but if he has not received notice other than 'attempted settlement offers' for like half the amount. He threw these away in the past but has not actually sent any letters to verify any debts. He's cool with paying to make this go away, but just wants it off his report. Of course, he'd like to avoid paying if he can.

edit: for #3, can he sue if they "forgot" to take it off TU? what's the steps there he needs to take?

For #2/4, FCO - he did send them verification letters and they basically sent him a few checklists and an attempted settlement offer from a landlord (#4).. which doesnt have his signature/he never signed.

In both cases, he says he has proof that he paid and that it was an error or something, and even in the worst case the security deposit should have covered whatever was left, so he's confused.

I read up on the thread and it seems like the SOL in maryland is like, 3 years. given it occured in 2008, and it's 2011 - should he just lie low then dance next year? But the federal? SOL is 7 years, so I'm not sure which one they follow. However, FCO haven't even done anything or be aggressive, no mentions of a lawsuit, etc. He did send them a C&D letter along with the verification letters and they've complied thus far with it. Furthermore, he hasn't received notice from the OC, just the CA - i assume this is way past his 30 days, so to file a DV, PFD, etc? Basically all of this time he's stuck his head in the sand going LALALALALALALA and hoping it goes away.

OTOH he kind of needs a car loan since his car just broke down - both his parents are foreigners, so he's basically SOL on co-signers. That pretty much leaves him with needing to boost his credit score at least 100 or 200 points. What do you suggest?

Skandiaavity fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Feb 23, 2011

Anti-Hero
Feb 26, 2004

sleepness posted:

No problem. Toss me your e-mail and I'll send it when I get home from work.

Thanks bud. It's charlie dot muschany at gmail dot com.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Might as well see if I can get some situation specific advice too.

My credit is also shot, however, most of it (well at least to me) seems unfixable.

-3 credit cards from citi, all closed however I am still making payments on them. (still with original creditor)

-1 utility bill that went to an attorney (paid in full already - 2.5 years ago)

-1 credit card closed and settled as paid in full (2.5 years ago)

-2 credit cards from WFP, both closed, settled and paid in full (2.5 years ago)

-2 accounts I still owe on which I sent PFD's to.


Now, I don't know if any of this is fixable or not, minus the PFD's that I've already sent. Do I just have to wait out the miserable credit for the remaining 5 years, or do I have room with Citi to try to negotiate PFD?

TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

Skandiaavity posted:

1 > 1 from 2007, $800 some bill from tmobile.. he has gotten a letter one or twice from someone named "Kay" and is a lawyer (google tells me this guy is Law offices of Kay in NY? basically a junk debt buyer who actually isnt even a lawyer i think. tons of poo poo reviews)
DV them. If they can validate, PFD for $100. In the realm of what JDB's buy, cell phone bills are probably the most worthless. Most likely, this would be categorized as a written contract for the purposes of your state's SOL. Make sure. It could be considered UCC, in which case, the SOL could be four years.

If you're sure it's past the SOL, offer $50, or even $25. Let them know in the PFD letter that you know they're beyond the SOL.

quote:

2 > 1 from 2007, ~ $ 1200, reported by FCO (Fair Collections & Outsourcing, google tells me it's in baltimore. no mentions on whether they're lovely or honest guys) - rent that he claims he paid but landlord was trying to stiff him out of the deposit. he did not receive any notice from them, but disputed this information in 2008 but only got vague letters of verification (not validation)
Again, written contract. Make sure the SOL isn't different. If it's past the SOL, DV them and PFD for $100 or less.

quote:

3 > 1 from 2007, ~$40, handled by Sunrise, about a cable bill dispute - he disputed these and the company sent him a letter saying they cant verify, and have took it off experian & equifax.. however, it still shows up on transunion
Dispute it with TransUnion again, and include a copy of the letter.

quote:

4 > 1 from 2008 (also from FCO), for about $12k also breaking a lease (rent was too drat high apparently). Different rental company from the one above, though. They also want a full years worth of rent payments even though he terminated it two months prior to the end of lease
I know absolutely fuckall about landlord / tenant law in your state. In Michigan, this wouldn't be legal -- the landlord has an obligation to try to rent out the unit as soon as you leave, and you're not responsible for paying more than the remainder of the lease (assuming you don't accuse the landlord of not making a reasonable effort to rent it to someone else) plus whatever termination agreement the lease contained.

My understanding though, is that Michigan's Landlord - Tenant Act is one of few that tends to favor the renter. Check with nearby universities and see if they have a housing assistance commission or something similar.

quote:

5 > 1 credit card from BOA - revolving limit of 500, balance is always paid off in full every month but is not a secured card.. BOA just seems to refuse to increase his limit. he is current on this
That's 'cause his credit blows. Credit unions and AmEx are really the only places left that care more about how you treat them than what's on your credit report. (And anymore, AmEx doesn't care very much.)

quote:

6 > 1 older car debt which was just paid off
Is it reporting as negative? Lots of subprime lenders would probably take him on as long as he can prove that he doesn't have an auto loan. He can expect to pay 20% interest or more. Hit up http://www.roadloans.com and get a (marginally) better deal than dealers will get him. They're surprisingly not lovely.

quote:

I read up on the thread and it seems like the SOL in maryland is like, 3 years. given it occured in 2008, and it's 2011 - should he just lie low then dance next year?
I would. No sense prodding someone with a stick now, when they can sue, if they can be waited out a few more weeks / months.

quote:

But the federal? SOL is 7 years, so I'm not sure which one they follow.
Creditors are bound by the laws of the state a person lives in. Remember though, that negative information can remain on a report for just over seven years. Conventional wisdom dictates that the fact that a creditor can't sue you doesn't mean they can't keep the negatives on a report for all seven years. (Though, some have tried suing under state laws that consider monthly updates to the CRA's as "continued collection activity" on accounts that they know aren't collectable).

quote:

However, FCO haven't even done anything or be aggressive, no mentions of a lawsuit, etc. He did send them a C&D letter along with the verification letters and they've complied thus far with it. Furthermore, he hasn't received notice from the OC, just the CA - i assume this is way past his 30 days, so to file a DV, PFD, etc? Basically all of this time he's stuck his head in the sand going LALALALALALALA and hoping it goes away.
They might not be on solid ground. It's hard to say. CA's know that calling someone and demanding $12,000 isn't going to work. But if they're validating, they're probably going to wait him out and see if he pays before filing suit.

quote:

OTOH he kind of needs a car loan since his car just broke down - both his parents are foreigners, so he's basically SOL on co-signers. That pretty much leaves him with needing to boost his credit score at least 100 or 200 points. What do you suggest?
It's not going to happen anytime soon. Even if he just flat out disputed everything as "not mine" and none of the creditors responded, he's still about 45 days out from changing his score.

Try Roadloans. As a last resort, HSBC would probably finance him too. Get cheap car ($5,000 - $7,500) that's taken most of its depreciation hit, spend the next year fixing credit, refinance or sell the car once his credit's better.

sleepness posted:

-3 credit cards from citi, all closed however I am still making payments on them. (still with original creditor)
Without knowing amounts, I'm guessing you're able to make the payments and are making progress getting the balances down?

If so, this is actually really good. Once you get close to paying them off, send a goodwill letter to Citi, asking them to remove the tradelines.

quote:

-1 utility bill that went to an attorney (paid in full already - 2.5 years ago)
Dispute with the CRA's. If they validate, ask the CRA's for scads of documentation.

quote:

-1 credit card closed and settled as paid in full (2.5 years ago)
Settled with the OC? Goodwill letter.

quote:

-2 credit cards from WFP, both closed, settled and paid in full (2.5 years ago)
Goodwill letter.

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-2 accounts I still owe on which I sent PFD's to.
Sounds like this is pretty much taken care of.


quote:

Now, I don't know if any of this is fixable or not, minus the PFD's that I've already sent. Do I just have to wait out the miserable credit for the remaining 5 years, or do I have room with Citi to try to negotiate PFD?
Goodwill letters may be surprisingly effective. You basically ask them to remove the tradeline, and they do. Or not. Worst case, they say "no", and you make magic happen to get them off of your reports.

Don't PFD Citi unless you're totally under water and want to settle.

Here's something rarely tried that worked with my Citi problem: buy a share of stock. Right now, they trade for about $5. Wait a few weeks, then contact Shareholder Relations with a polite letter expressing your concern as a shareholder, and ask them to help you out.

sleepness
Feb 9, 2006

Those ideas are ...ingenious.

Twinkie, you have my eternal gratitude. Will get to work on those at work.

I am also totally going for the shareholder one.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

TWiNKiE posted:


If you're sure it's past the SOL, offer $50, or even $25. Let them know in the PFD letter that you know they're beyond the SOL.

If it's outside the SOL, the company is violating by reporting it to the CRAs so it should be easy to have it removed with a simple challenge. The CRAs do not like to report SOL issues as it opens them up to liability.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Twinkie,

Thanks. I will pass that along to him. Hopefully he'll manage to get a beater or something.

LorneReams posted:

If it's outside the SOL, the company is violating by reporting it to the CRAs so it should be easy to have it removed with a simple challenge. The CRAs do not like to report SOL issues as it opens them up to liability.

I don't get this, so by it being past the SOL, it's easier to remove? But I thought they had 7 years until they should remove it?

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TWiNKiE
Nov 18, 2002

Daah, I heard that!

LorneReams posted:

If it's outside the SOL, the company is violating by reporting it to the CRAs so it should be easy to have it removed with a simple challenge. The CRAs do not like to report SOL issues as it opens them up to liability.
It's dicey. You could invoke Sullivan v. Equifax, where the judge found that continuing to update reports was adequate for a FDCPA claim.

What's relevant there:

quote:

The FDCPA prohibits debt collectors' from using any false, deceptive, or misleading representation or means in connection with the collection of any debt. (15 U.S.C. § 1692e). Among the conduct that violates this provision is the "communication or threat to communicate to any person credit information which is known or which should be known to be false, including the failure to communicate that a disputed debt is disputed." 15 U.S.C. 5 1692e(8). The term "communication" is given a very broad definition in the act. It means 'the conveying of information regarding a debt directly or indirectly to any person through any medium." 15 U.S.C. § 1692 a ( 2 )
What's important to keep in mind is that the plaintiff maintained that the debt wasn't hers. So the foundation of her claim was that the creditor was reporting false information, not "this is past the SOL, so gently caress off and pay up".

Reporting a six year old debt that you're not disputing as "not mine" is not necessarily false, deceptive, or misleading.

See also Section 605 of the FCRA (incidentally, one of only two sections of the FCRA that the FTC does not have an opinion on:

quote:


§ 605. Requirements relating to information contained in consumer reports [15 U.S.C. § 1681c]

(a) Information excluded from consumer reports. Except as authorized under subsection (b) of this section, no consumer reporting agency may make any consumer report containing any of the following items of information:

(1) Cases under title 11 [United States Code] or under the Bankruptcy Act that, from the date of entry of the order for relief or the date of adjudication, as the case may be, antedate the report by more than 10 years.

(2) Civil suits, civil judgments, and records of arrest that from date of entry, antedate the report by more than seven years or until the governing statute of limitations has expired, whichever is the longer period.

(3) Paid tax liens which, from date of payment, antedate the report by more than seven years.

(4) Accounts placed for collection or charged to profit and loss which antedate the report by more than seven years.(1)

(5) Any other adverse item of information, other than records of convictions of crimes which antedates the report by more than seven years.1

(b) Exempted cases. The provisions of subsection (a) of this section are not applicable in the case of any consumer credit report to be used in connection with

(1) a credit transaction involving, or which may reasonably be expected to involve, a principal amount of $150,000 or more;

(2) the underwriting of life insurance involving, or which may reasonably be expected to involve, a face amount of $150,000 or more; or

(3) the employment of any individual at an annual salary which equals, or which may reasonably be expected to equal $75,000, or more.

(c) Running of reporting period.

(1) In general. The 7-year period referred to in paragraphs (4) and (6) ** of subsection (a) shall begin, with respect to any delinquent account that is placed for collection (internally or by referral to a third party, whichever is earlier), charged to profit and loss, or subjected to any similar action, upon the expiration of the 180-day period beginning on the date of the commencement of the delinquency which immediately preceded the collection activity, charge to profit and loss, or similar action.

(2) Effective date. Paragraph (1) shall apply only to items of information added to the file of a consumer on or after the date that is 455 days after the date of enactment of the Consumer Credit Reporting Reform Act of 1996.

(d) Information required to be disclosed. Any consumer reporting agency that furnishes a consumer report that contains information regarding any case involving the consumer that arises under title 11, United States Code, shall include in the report an identification of the chapter of such title 11 under which such case arises if provided by the source of the information. If any case arising or filed under title 11, United States Code, is withdrawn by the consumer before a final judgment, the consumer reporting agency shall include in the report that such case or filing was withdrawn upon receipt of documentation certifying such withdrawal.

(e) Indication of closure of account by consumer. If a consumer reporting agency is notified pursuant to section 623(a)(4) [§ 1681s-2] that a credit account of a consumer was voluntarily closed by the consumer, the agency shall indicate that fact in any consumer report that includes information related to the account.

(f) Indication of dispute by consumer. If a consumer reporting agency is notified pursuant to section 623(a)(3) [§ 1681s-2] that information regarding a consumer who was furnished to the agency is disputed by the consumer, the agency shall indicate that fact in each consumer report that includes the disputed information.
Nothing there about having to stop when your state's SOL has passed. And, taking a somewhat more critical view as to the rationale for why it's not there...

Every state can set up its own SOL. Some have short ones (e.g. Delaware @ 3 years) and some have long ones (e.g. Massachusetts @ up to 20).

So, let's say you move from Ohio (6 years) to Delaware (3 years) when you've got ten collection accounts from 2007. Using the "updating my report is a violation" logic, you should be able to blow those all away.

Now let's say you move back in December. Well, you're back on the hook as far as SOL goes, but the CA's wouldn't be able to do anything to your reports, because that would fall under reinsertion. If that was how it worked, there'd be a cottage industry in Delaware for getting people "moved" temporarily to fix their credit.

If you're aware of case law to the contrary, please let me know, so that I can incorporate my new moving service in Delaware. :)

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