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DDP debut was the best because the crowd was going nuts and jr was trying to sell us on ddp being a heel and a sicko. DDP apparently got shafted as he couldn't sell a comeback as a heel apparently at least thats what lance storm said on his last shoot interview.
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Jerusalem posted:Nobody said he was an underrated incredible worker, but what he does do, he does amazingly well. I was responding to a post that said "I always thought the Undertaker was an incredible worker," in response to a post that had said he was never the greatest worker. So, yes, someone said that, I responded to it. I agree, over the years he's definitely learned to accentuate his positives, and like Grody said if he cares about the match he has a good chance of going all out, but he's not up there in great workers of the WWE, and that's what I was responding to.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:03
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:I think they were intending for it to suck, hence why they booked it. It was a deliberate sabotage. They could have just as easily booked Booker T vs DDP which would have been a much better match to present. Bagwell was just lazy. I saw the match. The hype and the initial reactions to both participants was CRAZY! I mean... listen to the huge pop for Bagwell of all wrestlers. Booker could only do so much in the match. Look what happened: Booker T thrived and Bagwell was fired basically a week later.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:05
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El Duke posted:I was responding to a post that said "I always thought the Undertaker was an incredible worker," in response to a post that had said he was never the greatest worker. Didn't see that sorry, and yeah that's silly, he's a lot of things, and he's great, but I didn't think anyone thought he was an "incredible worker" or would ever claim such.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:08
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For what its worth Kurt Angle claims that Undertaker is the best worker in the business.
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I love Kurt and think he's an amazing wrestler but that dude crazy.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:19
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The best worker in the business is Hogan. He made the most money.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:20
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I'm reading Jericho's new book and earlier in it, he said Bagwell was the sole reason WCW didn't get it's planned Saturday night show and whatnot. Thanks Buff... (I still love you and Steiner)
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:The best worker in the business is Hogan. He made the most money. Nash mastered the work : money ratio to benefit him to the greatest extent, therefore, Nash is the best. Second place: Sting.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:27
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:The best worker in the business is Hogan. He made the most money. but he wasn't a draw
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Feb 21, 2011 01:29
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El Duke posted:Nash mastered the work : money ratio to benefit him to the greatest extent, therefore, Nash is the best. Second place: Sting. The point I'm getting at is people need to learn the difference between the words "Worker" and "Wrestler". sportsgenius86 posted:but he wasn't a draw okay bruno.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:30
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El Duke posted:Nash mastered the work : money ratio to benefit him to the greatest extent, therefore, Nash is the best. Second place: Sting. That is actually a direct quote from Nash.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:33
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:The point I'm getting at is people need to learn the difference between the words "Worker" and "Wrestler". Now that Bruno Sammartino, he was a wrestler! What a draw!
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Feb 21, 2011 01:34
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Another Nash gem was when he was told Flair made comments about the Outsiders being bad workers and a cancer to WCW. His reply was "I'm sorry you feel that way Ric, I respect you and all but its fake so whatever. You've won 16 fake world titles and I hope you're proud of that because you're broke so ya know, hehehe"
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Feb 21, 2011 01:36
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If you're going by Work : Money ratio, then Lanny Poffo is the clear winner. Sat on his rear end for 4 years for a $750k per year contract.
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budreck posted:Another Nash gem was when he was told Flair made comments about the Outsiders being bad workers and a cancer to WCW. I cant hate Nash anymore. This is too good of a burn.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:38
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Jerusalem posted:Considering the poo poo that networks will happily put on, it goes to show how bad WCW was at the end that nobody wanted anything to do with it. You forgot the anti-XPac, Rob Van Dam. Literally the entire Alliance were heels, except RVD, because after about 3 weeks of trying, they gave up and acknowledged that people just thought the dude was too cool to boo.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:46
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The Croc posted:DDP apparently got shafted as he couldn't sell a comeback as a heel apparently at least thats what lance storm said on his last shoot interview. It was that he couldn't sell a comeback in the WWE style. The WCW style comeback involved staying down and selling a bump while the WWE style is that you pop back up after the bump, bump again, repeat a few times. Jericho talks about having the same problem when he started in WWE. DDP, to his credit, was an older guy who became a decent worker and star (with help in the office), then went to WWE where he was older and still did a good job learning a different style. I'm not saying he was one of the greats or I'm a big fan but the guy deserves credit for being an overachiever.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:50
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It seems like if DDP got into wrestling when he was younger, he could have been WCW's anwser to the Rock.
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BigRed0427 posted:It seems like if DDP got into wrestling when he was younger, he could have been WCW's anwser to the Rock. If DDP got into wrestling when he was younger he would have hit it big when the Rock was in high school.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:58
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BigRed0427 posted:It seems like if DDP got into wrestling when he was younger, he could have been WCW's anwser to the Rock.
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Feb 21, 2011 02:03
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Jerusalem posted:Considering the poo poo that networks will happily put on, it goes to show how bad WCW was at the end that nobody wanted anything to do with it. It was no secret about the amount of money that WCW lost in 2000. We'll never know for sure how much because of everyone's stories changing, but it was an absurd amount. Add the lawsuits and crap ratings and no one will touch you with a ten foot pole. But mostly with no television deal it wasn't worth owning which is why Bischoff didn't even want it anymore.
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Feb 21, 2011 02:03
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LividLiquid posted:DDP was WCW's answer to the Rock. Who used the 'People's Champion' line first?
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ColeM posted:It was no secret about the amount of money that WCW lost in 2000. We'll never know for sure how much because of everyone's stories changing, but it was an absurd amount. Add the lawsuits and crap ratings and no one will touch you with a ten foot pole. But mostly with no television deal it wasn't worth owning which is why Bischoff didn't even want it anymore. Bischoff still wanted it. He was trying hard to get a deal with FX, but he only had a couple days to do it. Even if he found that deal it's hard to tell if he'd still be able to buy the company, his financial backers were a house of cards. Vince would just end up paying a little more than practically nothing.
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Feb 21, 2011 02:08
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:I think they were intending for it to suck, hence why they booked it. It was a deliberate sabotage. They could have just as easily booked Booker T vs DDP which would have been a much better match to present. I think it's actually more that Vince didn't know how much Bagwell sucked, otherwise he never would have been brought in. They actually thought this was the best option. Re: Undertaker as a worker - he was an incredible worker for a man of his size. In terms of an overall worker, he's really not that special, but for a 7-footer, he's one of the best ever.
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Was it New Blood Rising that had the PPV buy rate so low that WCW refused to tell anyone?
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LividLiquid posted:DDP was WCW's answer to the Rock. Not quite. The Rock was WWF's answer to DDP.
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BigRed0427 posted:Was it New Blood Rising that had the PPV buy rate so low that WCW refused to tell anyone? Take your pick for any buy rate for them that year but I'm sure its that one. That one was billed as the turning point of the company.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:Not quite. The Rock was WWF's answer to DDP. Neither was really an answer to each other, since they have nothing in common beyond DDP ripping the Rock off in calling himself the People's Champion.
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Feb 21, 2011 02:24
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CSammich posted:Neither was really an answer to each other, since they have nothing in common beyond DDP ripping the Rock off in calling himself the People's Champion. DDP called himself that first.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:DDP called himself that first. I don't know the exact dates, I just remember the Internet not accepting DDP's claim because Rock did it first.
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Didn't Vince also get first right of refusal on any deal to sell the company as part of some settlement over a lawsuit or something? So Bischoff was pretty much guaranteed to NEVER be able to buy it?
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't Vince also get first right of refusal on any deal to sell the company as part of some settlement over a lawsuit or something? So Bischoff was pretty much guaranteed to NEVER be able to buy it? This is true. They both had major lawsuits with each other and when they both settled out of court, one of the stipulations was that if ever WCW came up for sale the WWF would get first dibs.
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ColeM posted:This is true. They both had major lawsuits with each other and when they both settled out of court, one of the stipulations was that if ever WCW came up for sale the WWF would get first dibs. This was part of the settlement over Scott Hall and Kevin Nash.
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bobkatt013 posted:This was part of the settlement over Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Thats what I was getting at. WWF was suing them because WCW made it seem like WWF was actually invading WCW and that Hall acted too razor-ish for their liking among other frivolous things. WCW's lawsuit later on was pretty terrible too and a waste of time. Their suits against each other were pending for a really long time(Bret mentions in his book that Eric specified that when he comes over that he tie up any loose ends and come over as best he can because of said lawsuits). ColeM fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Feb 21, 2011 |
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bobkatt013 posted:This was part of the settlement over Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. You know, this makes the initial idea of having it be a WWF invasion storyline even funnier.
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't Vince also get first right of refusal on any deal to sell the company as part of some settlement over a lawsuit or something? So Bischoff was pretty much guaranteed to NEVER be able to buy it? Vince couldn't buy WCW as long as they had the Turner TV contract. Once that was off the table it was nearly impossible for Bischoff to buy WCW without grossly overpaying.
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CSammich posted:I don't know the exact dates, I just remember the Internet not accepting DDP's claim because Rock did it first. You're misremembering then because DDP was doing it in 97, wheras rock did it in 98 during his IC run.
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MassRayPer posted:Vince couldn't buy WCW as long as they had the Turner TV contract. Once that was off the table it was nearly impossible for Bischoff to buy WCW without grossly overpaying. It wasn't. The video library had a lot of value and Vince got it for nothing. The cost of WCW was paid off in the first PPV, I believe. Jericho said when he found out how little Vince paid he was pissed because he would have bought it. Jamie Kellner just wanted it gone as quickly as possible. Selling it wasn't a bad move but he definitely didn't invest effort in trying to make money off the sale.
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WeaselWeaz posted:It wasn't. The video library had a lot of value and Vince got it for nothing. The cost of WCW was paid off in the first PPV, I believe. Jericho said when he found out how little Vince paid he was pissed because he would have bought it. Jamie Kellner just wanted it gone as quickly as possible. Selling it wasn't a bad move but he definitely didn't invest effort in trying to make money off the sale. Do you seriously think Vince wouldn't top a Bischoff counter-offer? Vince was willing to pay far more for the company in the Fall of 2000. He'd be interested in WCW for as long as the company would be worth the money. After that point Bischoff would be overpaying for it. Grossly overpaying in fact since Bischoff wouldn't have the resources to exploit the purchase that Vince has. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 21, 2011 |
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