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PerniciousKnid posted:I think Snopes has always been known to be a liberal factmonger amongst those conservatives who knew of its existence.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 01:10 |
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Political emails, the type that are mass forwarded, are almost uniformly right wing phenomenon in my experience. I've never seen a right winger express shame or embarrassment when some bullshit email they promulgated was thoroughly and unambiguously debunked, even from some accepted non-Snopes source. At most you get some response like "well I can't bother to check out everything (before I forward it to 500 people on my contact list or post it to the world on my Facebook page or on some message board)" It just seems to be an accepted form of right wing communication, to affirm membership in the ideological tribe, and the truth or falsehood of the email apparently should have no impact on the credibility of the person forwarding it or posting it, according to this way of thinking. If anyone has examples of cookie cutter left wing emails that get mass forwarded, it would merit its own thread, I'd think. "If you can read this you should thank Noam Chomsky."
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 02:15 |
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The only sort of things I see that aren't distinctly right wing are stuff like loose change, which tends to be popular with college kids who want to be hardcore liberal. But believing in a conspiracy theory is not an inherently left wing philosophy given how many conspiracies conservatives will buy into.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 02:25 |
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nm posted:They really are out to prove Colbert isn't as far from parody as we what to think: "Facts have a liberal bias." Colbert isn't far from parody at all. In fact, I'd say it's a masterful parody to the point where conservatives sometimes believe he is not parody and I can't watch Colbert regularly or for too long because even though I know it is parody it still drives me nuts.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 14:32 |
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Orange Devil posted:Colbert isn't far from parody at all. In fact, I'd say it's a masterful parody to the point where conservatives sometimes believe he is not parody and I can't watch Colbert regularly or for too long because even though I know it is parody it still drives me nuts. Colbert spoke at my graduation and my 80 year old, tea party grandparents thought he was completely serious.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 17:33 |
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LaMarre, Landreville & Beam 2009 posted:This study investigated biased message processing of political satire in The Colbert Report and the influence of political ideology on perceptions of Stephen Colbert. Results indicate that political ideology influences biased processing of ambiguous political messages and source in late-night comedy. Using data from an experiment (N = 332), we found that individual-level political ideology significantly predicted perceptions of Colbert's political ideology. Additionally, there was no significant difference between the groups in thinking Colbert was funny, but conservatives were more likely to report that Colbert only pretends to be joking and genuinely meant what he said while liberals were more likely to report that Colbert used satire and was not serious when offering political statements. Conservatism also significantly predicted perceptions that Colbert disliked liberalism. Finally, a post hoc analysis revealed that perceptions of Colbert's political opinions fully mediated the relationship between political ideology and individual-level opinion.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 21:55 |
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I just got this from my dad.quote:An eye opener So I sent this back. quote:http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp I tried to reply all, but the way it was set up I think it was just sent to him. I tempted to send it separately to everyone else I see it's been sent to.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 21:59 |
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I just got this one:quote:Go to FOX and vote NO on banning the American flag in America VOTE !!! This seems REALLY fishy. I haven't had time to look into the matter, but this is most likely a case of leaving out very important facts, isn't it? Edit: what the hell, this poll took play last May...
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 23:34 |
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The context is kids wearing American flags on their shirts on Cinco de Mayo as a protest against Mexican culture.
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# ? Feb 18, 2011 23:56 |
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I think they should have mandatory classes on burning the American flag at schools.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 00:35 |
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From a facebook conversation, linking this - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=4&hp I mentioned liking the article, here was the response. quote:*sigh* I'm sure you did like it. you, like krugman, haven't the first clue about economics and are looking at an economic issue as a political one instead. since you're both committed socialists, the solution to everything is to spend more money and have the government fix everything. you and I can go back and forth about that on a political level, but why is it wrong, economically speaking?
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 01:04 |
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Click here for the full 1786x1562 image. Yea, I'm sort of dick but really guys? Really? C'mon. There's no reasoning with these people. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Feb 19, 2011 |
# ? Feb 19, 2011 01:24 |
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Tab8715 posted:
So then trying was your first mistake.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 01:39 |
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I'd vote for Reagan's exhumed corpse too, a dead president might actually be better for this country than what we've been getting.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 01:41 |
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That is exactly why I don't argue on facebook.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 01:49 |
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Orkiec posted:That is exactly why I don't argue on facebook. I use to have faith in humanity, until I met conservatives who think they simply calling me a "liberal" or whatever buzzword is an acceptable counter argument. Though, my personal favorite in that debate is how Iran-Contra was somehow acceptable during wartime, because treason is acceptable during wartime, right?... Guys?
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 02:09 |
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Tab8715 posted:I use to have faith in humanity, until I met conservatives who think they simply calling me a "liberal" or whatever buzzword is an acceptable counter argument. I love how they think "liberal" "progressive" and "socialist" are among the most terrible insults known to man, and somehow invalidate anything you might say.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 03:05 |
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TerminalSaint posted:I love how they think "liberal" "progressive" and "socialist" are among the most terrible insults known to man, and somehow invalidate anything you might say. Or how, if I get a real job, move out my parents job I'll just get it right?
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 03:42 |
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Econosaurus posted:From a facebook conversation, linking this - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=4&hp Wow. John Maynard Keynes completely glossed over why recessions happen. It's not the core of his work at all. Really. What kind of alternate universe is this true in? I like the little rant about how aggregate analysis is impossible. We shouldn't use aggregate data (in macroeconomics) because it is inherently flawed and worthless. That's about as Austrian as you can get. And Paul Krugman has never even bothered to look into the cause of the financial crisis. It was totally the fed lowering interest rates that caused 100% of it but Krugman is off being distracted by the ten trillion dollar shadow banking system and its collapse. Really? How can people believe this. I especially like his assertion that the standard Keynesian narrative for how WWII ended the depression is completely wrong, yet provides the Austrian explanation in one sentence: "and then, after the greatest upheaval in human history, things went back to normal." And of course, the standard Austrian prescription for all economic woes at the end: "do nothing."
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 20:12 |
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God where the hell does most of the government get off thinking that the best time to oppose "stifling regulations" is during a time of skyrocketing healthcare costs, banks gaming the system to screw over millions, the warmest year in human history, and a cataclysmic oil spill obliterating the Gulf's ecosystem and economy? Especially that last part. I can almost understand someone arguing that a few years ago, but arguing against regulation after the Gulf spill?!
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 21:20 |
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Dr Christmas posted:Especially that last part. I can almost understand someone arguing that a few years ago, but arguing against regulation after the Gulf spill?! I've heard it argued that it was because of government oversight that the spill took so long for BP to plug up. I don't know if there's any stock at all to this though, because said person also said that the government was stupid for not accepting Kevin Costner's help, as if the star of Waterworld was destined to be the savior of the Gulf or something.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 21:23 |
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That's very true. It's because of government regulations against harming sea turtles, ($50,000 per sea turtle, I believe?) that BP was forced to burn all those sea turtles alive (430 estimated), rather than let anyone know they had been damaged by the oil spill. If it weren't for these harsh regulations, BP wouldn't have had any reason to kill the sea turtles!
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 21:36 |
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Ninja_Orca posted:I've heard it argued that it was because of government oversight that the spill took so long for BP to plug up. I don't know if there's any stock at all to this though, because said person also said that the government was stupid for not accepting Kevin Costner's help, as if the star of Waterworld was destined to be the savior of the Gulf or something. It took so long because a gushing oil well at that extreme depth was an engineering problem that had never happened before, and no one on Earth knew what exactly to do. And still, they decide now is the best time to redouble their efforts on arguing against taking preventive measures against cataclysmic oil spills. AAAARGH
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 22:15 |
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Dr Christmas posted:God where the hell does most of the government get off thinking that the best time to oppose "stifling regulations" is during a time of skyrocketing healthcare costs, banks gaming the system to screw over millions, the warmest year in human history, and a cataclysmic oil spill obliterating the Gulf's ecosystem and economy? They think that because they are paid lots and lots of money to believe it. That's it. There's no grand conspiracy or narrative about human foolishness, just people with money burning down the world so they can get more of it.
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# ? Feb 19, 2011 22:26 |
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Just got this from my dear old mother.quote:History Lesson on Your Social Security Card I want to write a rebuke but, blegh. Umph fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 22, 2011 |
# ? Feb 21, 2011 21:55 |
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Umph posted:Just got this from my dear old mother. It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your kids. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts!!!
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# ? Feb 21, 2011 23:57 |
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Oh lordy. I got into this argument on my mother's facebook with one of her friends, and his latest rebuttal (which really doesn't address a god damned thing I wrote) was just so off the wall, I can't help but put it here. quote:You tell me how a per-household share of a government budget is anything other than that ["that" being per-household tax burden, which he calculated by taking total federal budget, divided by number of households, then that result divided by average household income - 35k/60k=58% tax burden, basically].. No liberalized stats.. no spin.. hard numbers.. the government budgets are funded by the citizens.. period. I mean, at this point I've pretty much given up with this guy; he's just taking the shotgun approach of making GBS threads out a string of random arguments and hoping one of them sticks. Great Society robber-barons, poverty-enslaving social programs, why work when there's welfare.. I still don't know why I do this to myself. Elder Postsman fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Feb 22, 2011 |
# ? Feb 22, 2011 00:10 |
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I'm actually angry about this email.quote:
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# ? Feb 22, 2011 00:11 |
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Econosaurus posted:I'm actually angry about this email. I like how it starts off with anti-black racism, then tries to link his bullshit to why Detroit sucks now, then takes a 180 and tops the whole thing off with saying that the Mulsims (as if they're some faceless and evil monothinc bloc) are going to use Detroit as a staging ground to take over America. It's modernracists.txt.
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# ? Feb 22, 2011 00:28 |
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Umph posted:Just got this from my dear old mother. I went ahead and wrote a rebuke, if anyone gets this letter someday feel free to use it. I used the snopes article, wikipedia, and the bill itself. quote:I make it a habit to ignore these, but this one had so much misinformation I had to say something. Please read this, I will show you with quotes from the bill and links that 90% of the statements in this letter are lies. Please do yourself a favor and read this, even if your mind is made up. I am represented by blue text, I am registered independent. Umph fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Feb 22, 2011 |
# ? Feb 22, 2011 02:12 |
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an idiot posted:Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs. This is my favorite line of any of the email that I've read
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# ? Feb 22, 2011 22:05 |
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Econosaurus posted:I'm actually angry about this email. This doesn't even try to hide the racism; it's literally spewing out of nearly every sentence. What a loving screed. Anyone who reads this and finds themselves nodding in agreement should take a long look at their face in a mirror.
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# ? Feb 22, 2011 22:15 |
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Is there any record anywhere of an illiterate muslim suicide bomber? I know the Tamil Tiger suicide bombers are pretty low income/low education but they're definitely not muslim. The same goes for the IRA. Muslim suicide bombers are usually middle class with a good education.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 02:18 |
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Pfirti86 posted:This doesn't even try to hide the racism; it's literally spewing out of nearly every sentence. What a loving screed. Anyone who reads this and finds themselves nodding in agreement should take a long look at their face in a mirror. Come on, guys. The dude's name is 'Frosty Woolbridge.' He's more gay porn actor than journalist. Habibi fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Is there any record anywhere of an illiterate muslim suicide bomber? I know the Tamil Tiger suicide bombers are pretty low income/low education but they're definitely not muslim. The same goes for the IRA. Muslim suicide bombers are usually middle class with a good education. Muslims in general are expected to be able to read the Koran if nothing else, so total illiteracy is rare but in poorer regions people may have problems in understanding what they've read, especially if Arabic is not their mother tongue. Even in Palestine UNESCO reports literacy rate to be 93.3%. For suicide bombers recruited in developed countries, like some European Al Qaida bombers, they often are highly educated. In contrast, in remote countryside locations in Afghanistan and Pakistan very few may be literate, especially girls who are traditionally not allowed to go to school. But I think suicide bombings are more common in urban regions where literacy rates are higher. Sometimes in Palestine even little children have been recruited to blow themselves, but this is rare. They wouldn't be too literate. But overall I would say that illiteracy is an exceptionally poor explanation.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 03:41 |
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Econosaurus posted:I'm actually angry about this email. Ugh I just saw this thread on a local forum related just to this wonderful topic of how blacks have ruined Detroit. http://www.vadriven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384529 quote:Detroit isn't controled by liberals as much as it's a Blackocracy.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 05:20 |
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Visiting automotive political sections make me want to slit my wrists.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 08:02 |
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quote:Meet Col. West--A must see This is from like page 100 or so. Just had some questions. 1) reading the wiki page about Mr West. The detainee did know something but was refusing to give information? Seems to me like they know we cant hurt them so their not scared. Mr west scared the man a little bit so he gave us false information? If thats the case then too bad for him he didnt get any good information. It goes to show that scare tactics dont work for interrogation. But I dont think Mr West is a Dick. Just a soldier, in a war zone. Looking out for his own. Maybe soldiers in a war zone are generally dickish? If thats the case then we should all be thankful not be there ourselves. That someone else is getting psychologically scarred instead of us. That any reasonable person getting shot at will do some tough things for the only people they can trust, their fellow soldiers. 2) In college my geology professor was teaching how global warming and cooling is part of the earths natural cycle. That when the climate changes it does so quickly. And that humans are probably contributing to the warming. But may not be significant enough. And that most likely we would be having a warming anyways, perhaps a few years in advance of what would otherwise happen. Thoughts? 3) Muslims were more enlightened in the middle ages. Europeans were ignorant brutes. Muslims had an enlightned era where they made significant contributions to science. They spread culture. Some percentage of muslims are decent people. I meet them all the time. Muslim immigrants, chilled, relaxed folks just trying to make a living. Yet... I have a thing against them. I cant help it. I try to be reasonable about it. Give them benefit of the doubt. I dont like conservative talking points about many things. Im down with illegals from mexico trying to make a living in the US. But when I think about muslims here are the thoughts that creep into my head. Whenever I hear about terrorist bombings its muslims doing it. I know the IRA had a thing going for a bit. And maybe 40 years ago I would have a thing against those people. But I live now, I only have my experiences to go on. And as long as Ive been politically aware its always muslims loving stuff up. Burning American flags, yelling down with America. Treating their woman bad. Killing random reporters, woman they stumble into. People say its the extremist muslims who do these things. But it doesnt jive with me. Its their religion and culture thats breeding these extremists. As a percentage they have more violent extremists than other groups I can think off. And if thats the case then I dont like muslims and their culture/religion. Sometimes I think about how it might be the economic conditions rather than their religion/culture. But then where are the significant asian, russian, south american terrorist presence? I know these countries have violence too. Mexico with kidnapping, drugs. Russia, similar. Yet they arent out there just blowing up everyones poo poo. So maybe its the economic conditions that set the stage and the muslim religion/culture that pushes it the extra mile. In that case, I still dont like muslim religion/culture. It seems to me that muslims have this extra little chip on their shoulder against anyone outside their religion/culture. Were corrupt, amoral, evil, and our woman are sluts. The non extremists are barely restraining their desire to force their vews on us. But I dont want to hate such a large portion of the world. It may be hard to believe but I really do want to be shown, convinced about why its not really like that.
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# ? Feb 24, 2011 17:42 |
You don't torture or abuse prisoners of war, it's against the law. A Colonel should know better and should adhere to that law, being forced to retire is a pretty light consequence for doing that. From what I've read of the situation, the guy he threatened said that there was an ambush planned for the next day, but when COL West's troops investigated, no ambush occurred and they didn't capture any insurgents. COL West then claims this as a victory. But I don't see how this is the case as he can't prove that his actions had any positive effect. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. If we take a population that large and only report the hosed up things that they do, it'll sound pretty bad. There are 1 billion Catholics in the world. If you total up all the hosed up things that Catholics do in Central and South America and in Africa, you'd have a pretty collection of crimes as well, but that's not an indictment of Catholicism.
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quote:You don't torture or abuse prisoners of war, it's against the law. A Colonel should know better and should adhere to that law, being forced to retire is a pretty light consequence for doing that I guess I dont see scaring a prisoner as torture. My drill sergeant did it all the time. Or tried too, I knew he couldnt hurt me so wasnt too scared. More like somewhat stressed. If he had beat the dude, waterboarded then yeah, he went over my boundaries. But not scaring a dude. I see youtube videos of people scaring the crap out of each other all the time. quote:From what I've read of the situation, the guy he threatened said that there was an ambush planned for the next day, but when COL West's troops investigated, no ambush occurred and they didn't capture any insurgents. COL West then claims this as a victory. But I don't see how this is the case as he can't prove that his actions had any positive effect well thats like the swine flue scare. The CDC took a bunch of actions to prevent it from getting serious. When it doesnt get serious they look like they overreacted. Yet without those actions maybe stuff gets really bad. Preventive actions never get due credit. And can be hard to prove effective. Im not saying Mr Wests actions werent useless. But then again, maybe the attempt was called off when soldiers were spotted? quote:There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. If we take a population that large and only report the hosed up things that they do, it'll sound pretty bad. There are 1 billion Catholics in the world. If you total up all the hosed up things that Catholics do in Central and South America and in Africa, you'd have a pretty collection of crimes as well, but that's not an indictment of Catholicism. What are catholics doing around the world? Crimes in their own countries. Like mexico with their drugs and kidnapping. Seriously bad stuff. Not to different from lets say low income Americans(white or black). But do those groups make actions I would consider terrorist in nature. Blowing up buildings, people etc. I know the IRA did in the past, and catholics did things like kill the aztecs. These are things in the past. Just like Muslims were enlightened compared to the rest Europe in the middle ages. I prefer the muslims from the middle ages, Im not fond of what I understand of the Europeans during the middle ages. Conversely Im not fond of muslims in the modern world. I am fond of Europeans. I do ask before someone starts to attack me. I know Im putting myself out there with these opinions. That their probably not going to be popular. And that Im probably gonna feel different after this discussion. Im just being honest about what I actually feel, intellectually Im thinking I shouldnt.
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