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WWe's starting to outstrip the two main Mexican promotions in TV ratings, and they do big numbers (although that's slipping) when they tour, despite tickets being like 3 times what CMLL or AAA charge. Funnily enough, besides the obvious of Rey and ADR, Kane's probably the most over guy down there. Bringing in Mistico isn't necessarily an attempt to appeal to Mexico alone, though. The idea is to get someone to replace Rey as he's getting older and WWE feel he's gotten difficult to work with. Plus his injuries are piling up and he's not going to be around forever. Add to that the growth in the Hispanic population in the US, and it makes sense to try and build a few Hispanic stars.
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Sue Denim posted:What's WWE's current standing like in Mexico? Here's an Alberto Del Rio interview on youtube where he talks about how the WWE is huge there, that Rey and Undertaker are like gods in Mexico, and that lucha libre is to Spanish soap operas as WWE is to Hollywood.
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Feb 24, 2011 14:50
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How does wrestling do in other countries, namely Canada, Mexico (though that's been answered already mostly), and Japan? I've heard in Japan it's really a sinking ship, but I'm not sure about Canada. Is the U.S. the biggest wrestling country in the world, or does that belong to somewhere else?
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Feb 24, 2011 16:19
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Web Jew.0 posted:Here's an Alberto Del Rio interview on youtube where he talks about how the WWE is huge there, that Rey and Undertaker are like gods in Mexico, and that lucha libre is to Spanish soap operas as WWE is to Hollywood. I seem to recall that Rey had a lot of backlash in Mexico after he put the mask back on. Did that just blow over eventually?
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Feb 24, 2011 16:27
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Gaz-L posted:WWe's starting to outstrip the two main Mexican promotions in TV ratings, and they do big numbers (although that's slipping) when they tour, despite tickets being like 3 times what CMLL or AAA charge. Funnily enough, besides the obvious of Rey and ADR, Kane's probably the most over guy down there. WWE isn't starting to outstrip CMLL and AAA, they did about 2 years ago. Current ratings look like: Raw 9~ Smackdown High 8s, AAA 3~ and CMLL in the 2s. The AAA and CMLL ratings are at near test pattern levels for the network they are on. WWE is crushing its Mexican competition and it may honestly lead to the death of major league lucha libre in the next 2-3 years. The live gates are a bit deceptive though. WWE comes to town twice a year while the native promotions run their towns regularly, and Mexico City has several weekly cards. WWE can get away with the higher prices as they don't come very often. A trend is emerging that shows ticket sales for AAA and CMLL dropping badly when WWE has been in a town recently due to their event sucking up all of the money people are willing to spend on wrestling for weeks. quote:How does wrestling do in other countries, namely Canada, Mexico (though that's been answered already mostly), and Japan? I've heard in Japan it's really a sinking ship, but I'm not sure about Canada. Is the U.S. the biggest wrestling country in the world, or does that belong to somewhere else? Currently poorly except for WWE. Japan is declining year by year and I just went over Mexico. Canada doesn't have major league wrestling of its own and WWE's last tour was in smaller buildings than usual as their gates haven't been too good either. Europe has successful tours where American Pro Wrestling Rampage brings in former WWE talent and some indie guys and draw 2-3,000 people. WWE and TNA both do well there although TNA's last tour was down. In the past the US hasn't always been the biggest market. It clearly is now and has been since the late 90s. In the early to mid 90s, the US was #3 behind Japan and Mexico. In some years Japan was hotter, in some years Mexico was hotter.
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What is the cause for Japan's decline? Is it related to Misawa's death, lack of huge stars, NOAH losing it's TV deal, or a little bit of everything?
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Feb 24, 2011 19:37
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BillyMays posted:What is the cause for Japan's decline? Is it related to Misawa's death, lack of huge stars, NOAH losing it's TV deal, or a little bit of everything? After Kobashi defeated cancer in a Loser Leaves Town match, people realized that it was never going to get any better than what they'd just seen. In all seriousness though, it's probably just a little bit of everything coupled with the growing ability of people to access a huge amount of various types of content whenever and however they choose.
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Feb 24, 2011 22:23
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Gaz-L posted:WWe's starting to outstrip the two main Mexican promotions in TV ratings, and they do big numbers (although that's slipping) when they tour, despite tickets being like 3 times what CMLL or AAA charge. Funnily enough, besides the obvious of Rey and ADR, Kane's probably the most over guy down there. The WWE has been mulling over the possibility of having a Wrestlemania in Mexico 'within 3 years' for the last 6 years now. From what I can recall the real part that vexes them is they want it to really sell as an event but the country doesn't really bring in significant PPV buys there because of the pricing of their product and the country is so poor.
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Feb 24, 2011 23:00
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BillyMays posted:What is the cause for Japan's decline? Is it related to Misawa's death, lack of huge stars, NOAH losing it's TV deal, or a little bit of everything? The growth of MMA, the aging of stars with no one of equal status to replace them, the death of Misawa, and a growing disinterest in combat sports in general.
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Feb 24, 2011 23:55
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-At EC, Del RIo put the cross arm breaker on Edge's right arm, but immediately after, he was selling the left arm. -At Raw, Morrison was selling the right leg before the match, but Punk kept going after the left leg, so he started selling that. Now, I know they work left, but usually they aren't this drat sloppy about selling. Did anyone notice these? Any other fuckups like this that will probably be/already have been pointed out by Maffew?
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The A-Team Van posted:-At EC, Del RIo put the cross arm breaker on Edge's right arm, but immediately after, he was selling the left arm. In American wrestling you're taught to work the left side, in lucha you're taught to work the right side, so that's probably the disparity for Del Rio and Edge. JoMo/Punk is just a big ol' mistake. Although you could argue that JoMo's entire body was hosed up so it didn't matter what body part Punk worked.
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I enjoyed Christian selling the healed pectoral after delivering the Killswitch to ADR. It really drew me in. Sometimes they get selling right 
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Is Abdullah the Butcher's Restaurant Still Open?
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What was Rey doing in the time between WCW dying and making his WWE debut? Was he even at WCW when it was bought out? I watched WCW Worldwide from 1999 and he was one of my favourites from that period. Also, where the gently caress is Blitzkrieg and has he done anything with WWE? I loved that guy.
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warbrides posted:What was Rey doing in the time between WCW dying and making his WWE debut? Was he even at WCW when it was bought out? I watched WCW Worldwide from 1999 and he was one of my favourites from that period. Rey worked the indies for a bit and did some CMLL shows. Blitzkrieg retired and became a computer technician.
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Feb 25, 2011 16:31
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warbrides posted:What was Rey doing in the time between WCW dying and making his WWE debut? Was he even at WCW when it was bought out? I watched WCW Worldwide from 1999 and he was one of my favourites from that period. As Bald-n-Nekkid said, indie shows. Including (at IWA: Mid South of all places) an unmasked appearance in a triple threat against Eddie Guerrero and CM Punk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NTtAVWUd_0
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apsouthern posted:As Bald-n-Nekkid said, indie shows. Including (at IWA: Mid South of all places) an unmasked appearance in a triple threat against Eddie Guerrero and CM Punk IWA:MS was big in the early 2000s. Then people realized that Ian Rotten was a bigger piece of poo poo than they thought and got out.
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KungFu Grip posted:Is Abdullah the Butcher's Restaurant Still Open? I think so, my wife went there last year when she was visiting some friends in Atlanta. Apparently Abdullah just sits in a booth while he is there and will invite people to come over and talk to him, take pictures etc... The food on the other hand is pretty assy.
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apsouthern posted:As Bald-n-Nekkid said, indie shows. Including (at IWA: Mid South of all places) an unmasked appearance in a triple threat against Eddie Guerrero and CM Punk wow, thanks for sharing.
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Feb 25, 2011 19:56
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Mistico's signing has made me curious. How does someone who speaks no English put together a match with an English speaking wrestler? Do they have to plan it out all beforehand using a translator, and if so, what if something happens that causes them to have to change the finish on the fly? My understanding is that they usually come up with the spots mid-match, but I don't know how feasible that is with the language barrier?
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Feb 25, 2011 19:59
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I think most american wrestlers probably know what a suplexo is.
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But seriously I doubt its as much of a barrier as you think it is, most of the moves have names that are probably either the same or similar in english and spanish and for more complicated spots they probably have a translator that can talk them through them or they figure out enough words over the years to piece it together in a way that makes sense.
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Pretty sure they'll just make sure to use a ref that speaks spanish if it should really be a problem.
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Most moves are named in the language of the country from which they originated, and there's hand signals and things like that wrestlers use to indicate certain basic stuff.
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Sugar Blaster posted:Most moves are named in the language of the country from which they originated, and there's hand signals and things like that wrestlers use to indicate certain basic stuff. As best I can tell from the Wrestling Stars of the 80s DVD, Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair communicated entirely in taps.
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Feb 25, 2011 20:15
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Probably a bunch of wrestlers who speak Spanish when you don't suspect it too. Watch someone like Heath Slater know Spanish. Or JTG.
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Would someone step through for me the traditional chronological order of a wrestling match? What exactly is the shine, how can I tell when it starts, and all the other stuff (shine is the only term I know by name)? I don't hear too many people talk about it here much, but it pops up every once and a while and I'm curious about it.
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crankdatbatman posted:Would someone step through for me the traditional chronological order of a wrestling match? What exactly is the shine, how can I tell when it starts, and all the other stuff (shine is the only term I know by name)? I don't hear too many people talk about it here much, but it pops up every once and a while and I'm curious about it. To break it down very simply, the classic formula goes as follows: 1. The babyface starts out in control and dominates the first few minutes of a match 2. Either the face makes a mistake and hurts himself, or the heel pulls a minor dastardly act (eye poke, low blow, hair pull - something small that probably wouldn't get DQ'd and certainly wouldn't lead straight to a finish). 3. The heel dominates the body of the match. This is why you always want your heels to be good wrestlers - because you want guys you can count on to keep this part of the match entertaining. 4. The babyface makes his comeback - either after the heel makes a mistake, or just by Hulking up out of a hold or reversing a move. 5. The finish - either the face hits his finisher for the win, or the heel cheats to halt the comeback and gets the win. Parts 2-4 can be repeated a few times, depending on the length of the match.
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Feb 25, 2011 21:46
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crankdatbatman posted:Would someone step through for me the traditional chronological order of a wrestling match? What exactly is the shine, how can I tell when it starts, and all the other stuff (shine is the only term I know by name)? I don't hear too many people talk about it here much, but it pops up every once and a while and I'm curious about it. CSammich nailed it, but to use wrestling terms, when the babyface is in control thats the shine. When the heel in in control, that's heat.
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Was there anyone in the IWC that picked up the ball from CRZ as far as detailed recaps of the weekly shows after he stopped doing it? I always enjoy going back and re-reading those, and am hoping that someone else is/was out there.
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JPrime posted:Was there anyone in the IWC that picked up the ball from CRZ as far as detailed recaps of the weekly shows after he stopped doing it? I always enjoy going back and re-reading those, and am hoping that someone else is/was out there. Maybe https://www.thewrestlingfan.com ? Don't know if it's similar to CRZ or not. I tried looking up an old CRZ report but there sure were a lot of words in it.
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Chilly McFreeze posted:I tried looking up an old CRZ report but there sure were a lot of words in it. That's the point. A CRZ report tells you everything that happens. Everything.
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Lone Goat posted:That's the point. A CRZ report tells you everything that happens. The biggest problem I have with CRZ recaps is trying to decode the clever nicknames he gave everyone. At the time it was ok but over a decade later...
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So it's basically pro wrestling's Television Without Pity?
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Maxwell Lord posted:So it's basically pro wrestling's Television Without Pity? Wouldn't that be Scott Keith?
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whatsabattle posted:The biggest problem I have with CRZ recaps is trying to decode the clever nicknames he gave everyone. At the time it was ok but over a decade later... Especially when you run into things like calling Ernest Miller "The Cat" and calling the Kat "Ernest Miller".
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bobkatt013 posted:Wouldn't that be Scott Keith? No because the writers at TWOP actually watch the shows and follow the product.
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Web Jew.0 posted:Here's an Alberto Del Rio interview on youtube where he talks about how the WWE is huge there, that Rey and Undertaker are like gods in Mexico, and that lucha libre is to Spanish soap operas as WWE is to Hollywood. The impression I get is it's more or less their national sport. Is this a correct kind of impression? I can't think of any sports that are big in Mexico other than soccer. Why does everyone dislike the Rock's sharp shooter? I love it personally, is it because he doesn't pull back to make it look like a painful stretch like Bret?
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MassRayPer posted:The growth of MMA This might not have hurt so bad if Inoki hadn't made his top stars fight in legit MMA matches and thus expose themselves Sue Denim posted:Why does everyone dislike the Rock's sharp shooter? I love it personally, is it because he doesn't pull back to make it look like a painful stretch like Bret? They hate that it looks so loose and that he screams while doing it. I never really had a problem with it.
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