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Does anyone have recommendations on hornbooks for Criminal Law and Property?
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Feb 26, 2011 10:57
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html NYTIMES posted:Jury Nullification Advocate Is Indicted This is going to be an awkward case to bring before the jury.
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Feb 26, 2011 11:07
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Torpor posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html Although according to that article he's not entitled to a jury trial. It's unfortunate that these prosecutors brought what I think is not a really defensible charge against a guy who's obviously kind of a nut and who apparently doesn't want counsel, because they're getting away with one here.
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Feb 26, 2011 15:02
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quote:In court on Friday, Judge Wood cited a written request by Mr. Heicklen that Muslims be “excluded from the jury” because he was Jewish and “Islam preaches death to Jews.” Because he was charged with a misdemeanor, she said, he was not entitled to a jury trial; and in any case, she said, jurors may not be excluded because of religion. 
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Feb 26, 2011 15:36
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Holland Oats posted:Does anyone have recommendations on hornbooks for Criminal Law and Property? I'm using Dressler's crim hornbook and its pretty good. Especially if you use the Dressler casebook, but it would probably work for you anyway.
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Feb 26, 2011 18:00
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Torpor posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html Does anyone know precisely what he's being accused of violating or how I would find that out? The articles I've found just describe it as "jury tampering" but I'm not sure what that means... Maybe 1503?
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Feb 26, 2011 18:09
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cendien posted:I'm using Dressler's crim hornbook and its pretty good. Especially if you use the Dressler casebook, but it would probably work for you anyway. why does dressler cite himself so loving much
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Feb 26, 2011 18:09
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http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1 NLJ Top 250 placement percentages for class of 2010 edit- now the data shows up as "Access Denied" for some reason. bigger list is posted here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=148674 Chicago 58.97% Cornell 58.33% Columbia 55.20% Penn 53.31% Harvard 49.74% Virginia 46.79% Berkeley 45.61% Northwestern 44.37% NYU 43.27% 10 Michigan 42.47% Stanford 41.62% Duke 38.03% Georgetown 37.58% UCLA 35.14% Yale 33.84% BC 33.58% BU 30.00% Vanderbilt 29.81% USC 28.72% Tetrix fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Feb 26, 2011 |
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Feb 26, 2011 19:24
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Tetrix posted:http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1 I had a choice between GULC, Duke and Cornell. Clearly I should have gone to Cornell.
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Feb 26, 2011 19:38
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entris posted:I had a choice between GULC, Duke and Cornell. Clearly I should have gone to Cornell. duke and stanford are especially shameful given that duke's class was ~200 and stanford's was ~170. cornell's 2010 was, what, 180? gulc's 37.58% of 600 sounds pretty great. at least we have bball, low CoL, and nice weather.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:03
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MORE NUMBERS FOR THE NUMBER GOD also lol at the general idea that "NYU is basically the same as Columbia for all relevant purposes" Linguica fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 26, 2011 |
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Feb 26, 2011 21:10
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cendien posted:I'm using Dressler's crim hornbook and its pretty good. Especially if you use the Dressler casebook, but it would probably work for you anyway. I'm using a casebook written by Bonnie, Coughlin, Jeffries and Low but I'll look into Dressler.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:45
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Good news: I'm doing legal work. Bad news: It's for myself.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:54
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I have to say that I'm shocked the placement for this year was as bad at Columbia as it was last year. The difference in the attitudes of the two classes I have found is night and day to make a generalization.
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Feb 26, 2011 23:19
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The *actual* difference between Chicago last year and this year is pretty astonishing. I had friends near the median last year who couldn't pull anything out and there were actually some really solid (albeit loving weird) people with above median grades that got nothing. And now I know of several people this year at median splitting with three firms. Class of 2011.
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Feb 26, 2011 23:46
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Feces Starship posted:I have to say that I'm shocked the placement for this year was as bad at Columbia as it was last year. The difference in the attitudes of the two classes I have found is night and day to make a generalization. Aren't the numbers above for the Class of 2010, meaning the graduates from last year? I haven't seen any numbers about anybody currently in school.
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Feb 26, 2011 23:51
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Linguica posted:MORE NUMBERS FOR THE NUMBER GOD This link is making the rounds at Cornell with a large sigh of relief. Of course, we're 1Ls so let's hope that relatively, things stay this good or better.
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Feb 27, 2011 00:22
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Yeah I find it interesting that the only top schools to see an increase from last year are Chicago, Penn, Cornell, Harvard, and Columbia (Yale probably did too, but that's another echelon entirely). Moral of the story is that whatever small rebound in hiring there may have been has been basically filled up by employers deciding they might as well just hire Ivy Leaguers to the exclusion of anyone else. Rich get richer etc Linguica fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 27, 2011 |
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Feb 27, 2011 00:36
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So what am I supposed to do with those numbers? Assume that these numbers are approximately the top % of the respective schools' class who get looked at as potential first-year associates by the NLJ 250 or what? Because if that's the case I don't see how that's any different from what this thread/everyone on the internet has been telling me what I need to do to be successful in coming out of law school anyways.
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Feb 27, 2011 00:41
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Linguica posted:Yeah I find it interesting that the only top schools to see an increase from last year are Chicago, Penn, Cornell, Harvard, and Columbia (Yale probably did too, but that's another echelon entirely). I thought the people who graduated in '10 were supposed to be the hardest hit though, or maybe both '09 and '10. Was that just '09 instead?
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Feb 27, 2011 01:15
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MoFauxHawk posted:I thought the people who graduated in '10 were supposed to be the hardest hit though, or maybe both '09 and '10. Was that just '09 instead? nothing finer than an oh niner
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Feb 27, 2011 03:12
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MoFauxHawk posted:I thought the people who graduated in '10 were supposed to be the hardest hit though, or maybe both '09 and '10. Was that just '09 instead? The scuttlebutt is that the class of 2011 will have it even worse than that (although I guess we'll have to wait and see) and then 2012 onward will see a return to "normal" although who knows what that new normal will be. For perspective, the class of 2009 had a 90% offer rate following their summer programs, whereas the class of 2010 had a 70% offer rate. I'm not sure what the class of 2011 offer rate was but I'm sure it's higher since the summer classes were even smaller to begin with. For some more perspective, the class of 2009 had 60% of their callback interviews result in an offer, the class of 2010 had 47%, and the class of 2011 had a mere 36%. Linguica fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 27, 2011 |
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Feb 27, 2011 03:13
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Linguica posted:Moral of the story is that whatever small rebound in hiring there may have been has been basically filled up by employers deciding they might as well just hire Ivy Leaguers to the exclusion of anyone else. Rich get richer etc Summers at my office last year were almost exclusively T6 or so. Same this year. My office has lots of lawyers from UCLA, USC, etc... but that's not where we're getting our summers. We are able to be extraordinarily picky regarding our summers lately.
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Feb 27, 2011 03:30
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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I thought it could be useful to add to the horrible list of reasons to stay out of Law School: It's a Terrible Time to Go To Law School You have to be crazy to go to law school nowadays. Consider these statistics: Number of law students who graduate annually: 45,000 Decrease in the size of the legal profession since 2007: 7.8% Typical starting salary, if you can actually get a job at a law firm: $40,000+ Average law school debt: $100,000 Increase in the number of students taking the LSAT since 2007: 20.5% Increase in the number of law schools in the last ten years: 9% Top 10 occupations where there are job openings now: Medical, dental, and public health Management, administration, clerical, and office services Engineering and architecture Trades and labor Accounting budget and finance Biological sciences Procurement and purchasing agent Social science, psychology, and welfare Information technology Safety, health, and physical and resource protection Typical jobs that law grads wind up in: Legislative staffers Regulatory policy-makers Arbitrators Mediators Not-for-profit organizations Consulting firms Waiters and waitresses http://blog.larrybodine.com/2011/02/articles/current-affairs/its-a-terrible-time-to-go-to-law-school/
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Feb 27, 2011 03:58
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DoctorOfLawls posted:Typical jobs that law grads wind up in: (Don't go to law school though) I had an opportunity in law school to get a JD/MPH. Why didn't I didn't do that?
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Feb 27, 2011 05:51
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DoctorOfLawls posted:
Careers in arbitration or mediation usually require years of legal experience - that's not something a recent law grad does, that's something a judge does. (Not that judges are particularly good at mediation or arbitration, but they are inclined to think they are.)
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Feb 27, 2011 07:14
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Petey through no fault of your own the CBA thread in TFF is utter and complete crap and you should dump it or lock it or stop the madness in any way that you have power
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Feb 27, 2011 17:13
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mrtoodles posted:Summers at my office last year were almost exclusively T6 or so. Same this year. My office has lots of lawyers from UCLA, USC, etc... but that's not where we're getting our summers. We are able to be extraordinarily picky regarding our summers lately.
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Feb 27, 2011 18:43
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Feces Starship posted:Petey through no fault of your own the CBA thread in TFF is utter and complete crap and you should dump it or lock it or stop the madness in any way that you have power It's only been bad the last two pages really and I might lock it again until more news comes out.
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Feb 27, 2011 18:51
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Holland Oats posted:I'm using a casebook written by Bonnie, Coughlin, Jeffries and Low but I'll look into Dressler. I'm going to echo the Dressler sentiment as well. That book was the only thing that saved me for the final.
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Feb 27, 2011 21:44
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MPRE question: I've passed two out of two barbri practice tests with a little room to spare (44, 38 correct). Do I need to keep studying?
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Feb 28, 2011 00:54
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Roger_Mudd posted:Do I need to study? Fixed, and no.
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Feb 28, 2011 01:13
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TheSqueeze posted:It was, but during the round in which I portrayed the defendant, both teams made a big deal out of my motive, or lack thereof. I only saw the problem play out in the one trial, but some evidence suggested that the defendant robbed Everything's a Dollar because he was desperate for money. Somewhere within the transcript of the previous proceeding in the case materials, the defendant says something along the lines of "I had tons of money, my friend 'Bob' just paid good on a $2000 loan!." The reciprocal cross point is that he doesn't know the guys last name, and thinks 'Bob' probably just suddenly "left town for Jamaica". I just tired to spin the cross point in a way that was minimally damaging. Ugh motive, when will TYLA start writing decent problems for criminal again (Hint: The answer is never)
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Feb 28, 2011 03:39
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Roger_Mudd posted:MPRE question: I've passed two out of two barbri practice tests with a little room to spare (44, 38 correct). Do I need to keep studying? God, keep studying. Why not.
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Feb 28, 2011 04:18
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HiddenReplaced posted:From the med student thread:
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Feb 28, 2011 04:37
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Soothing Vapors posted:We are doing God's work here, friends 
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Feb 28, 2011 05:49
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5th day of jury duty down. To my surprise, I have learned that I harbor deep anti-police sentiments. Officer: "And then our lookout observed Suspect 1 handing US currency to Suspect 2, who then handed several small baggies to Suspect 1." Me: "Officer, how far away was the lookout?" Officer: "I don't know off-hand, but typically they are within blah blah blah" Me: "How did the officer know they were exchanging US currency, rather than gold krugerrands?" Officer: "Is that a serious question?" Me: "gently caress you." Seriously, all I can think about during officer testimony is that one thread about that old cop goon telling horrific stories about police corruption back in the '60s.
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Mar 1, 2011 00:48
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entris posted:5th day of jury duty down. so that's a no bill, then?
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Mar 1, 2011 02:54
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:so that's a no bill, then? Somewhere, there's a ham sandwich that won't be indicted, and a cliche is weeping silently.
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Lilosh posted:Somewhere, there's a ham sandwich that won't be indicted, and a cliche is weeping silently. I'll give it a good home
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